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I have a PhD and was offered a position with DCPS a year ago and the salary was 65k.

😱 This is tragic. WTF is wrong with this country.

My DS just finished his freshman year of college and is majoring in math and secondary education. He went to a private high school and really wants to be a high school math teacher at his alma mater. However, he is realistic that there won't be openings every year for a math teacher so he'd most likely have to work in the public schools. I love that he has the passion to teach. But he has very expensive tastes. I hate squashing his dream but he also has to be realistic about how much money he'll earn as a teacher. On the plus side, as long as he doesn't do something stupid, he'll probably never have to worry about unemployment and he could easily move to another area of the country and find a job. There is a huge demand for math teachers. It is so awful that we pay teachers such low salaries.

He needs to face reality unless you plan to supplement his income. Expensive tastes and being a teacher are a bad combination.
It is smart that he is double majoring though. He could always teach for a few years and then switch to something else. Most people don’t realize that teaching is a very hard job. It is very draining and the the hours are completely rigid and inflexible.

The job is no harder than any other job and you get every holiday and all summer off. The flexibility is similar to any other job that expects you to actually. do. your. job. Try working your ass off for 20+ years in a 60hr. a week pressure cooker big law firm. Teaching is not a hard job.

That's the view if you don't have to do everything teachers have to do. How many jobs make you the sole host and director of 25-30 hours of meetings every week? How many office workers have to prepare that much original content EVERY WEEK? How often does a lawyer have to figure out or even care if his colleagues know what he is talking about and alter his presentations for those who don't get it yet? How many office workers have to deal with their coworkers' parents complaining about their kids' experience with your firm? Do you have to notice or care if someone in your staff is bullying someone else? How about drugs in the workplace?

That just scratches the surface of what teachers face.

And one more, if your coworkers fail at your workplace, it's YOUR FAULT.

Um, I get that you are on a diatribe, but yes, I am responsible for running 20 hours of meetings a week. And yes, I am responsible for my mistakes and for complaints from my clients. And, well, if the people who report to me fail, it is my fault. So yeah, teaching is pretty much like a lot of other jobs. Just with more vaca.

Great argument for comparable pay then. Thanks!

Or, we could all get three months every year!

I get 3 months of leave a year? Somebody needs to tell my principal that. He’s under the impression I get 14 days.
(You do realize we don’t get paid over summers, and many of us work 2nd jobs to supplement our income?)

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I have a PhD and was offered a position with DCPS a year ago and the salary was 65k.

😱 This is tragic. WTF is wrong with this country.

My DS just finished his freshman year of college and is majoring in math and secondary education. He went to a private high school and really wants to be a high school math teacher at his alma mater. However, he is realistic that there won't be openings every year for a math teacher so he'd most likely have to work in the public schools. I love that he has the passion to teach. But he has very expensive tastes. I hate squashing his dream but he also has to be realistic about how much money he'll earn as a teacher. On the plus side, as long as he doesn't do something stupid, he'll probably never have to worry about unemployment and he could easily move to another area of the country and find a job. There is a huge demand for math teachers. It is so awful that we pay teachers such low salaries.

He needs to face reality unless you plan to supplement his income. Expensive tastes and being a teacher are a bad combination.
It is smart that he is double majoring though. He could always teach for a few years and then switch to something else. Most people don’t realize that teaching is a very hard job. It is very draining and the the hours are completely rigid and inflexible.

The job is no harder than any other job and you get every holiday and all summer off. The flexibility is similar to any other job that expects you to actually. do. your. job. Try working your ass off for 20+ years in a 60hr. a week pressure cooker big law firm. Teaching is not a hard job.

That's the view if you don't have to do everything teachers have to do. How many jobs make you the sole host and director of 25-30 hours of meetings every week? How many office workers have to prepare that much original content EVERY WEEK? How often does a lawyer have to figure out or even care if his colleagues know what he is talking about and alter his presentations for those who don't get it yet? How many office workers have to deal with their coworkers' parents complaining about their kids' experience with your firm? Do you have to notice or care if someone in your staff is bullying someone else? How about drugs in the workplace?

That just scratches the surface of what teachers face.

And one more, if your coworkers fail at your workplace, it's YOUR FAULT.

Um, I get that you are on a diatribe, but yes, I am responsible for running 20 hours of meetings a week. And yes, I am responsible for my mistakes and for complaints from my clients. And, well, if the people who report to me fail, it is my fault. So yeah, teaching is pretty much like a lot of other jobs. Just with more vaca.

Great argument for comparable pay then. Thanks!

Or, we could all get three months every year!

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I have a PhD and was offered a position with DCPS a year ago and the salary was 65k.

😱 This is tragic. WTF is wrong with this country.

My DS just finished his freshman year of college and is majoring in math and secondary education. He went to a private high school and really wants to be a high school math teacher at his alma mater. However, he is realistic that there won't be openings every year for a math teacher so he'd most likely have to work in the public schools. I love that he has the passion to teach. But he has very expensive tastes. I hate squashing his dream but he also has to be realistic about how much money he'll earn as a teacher. On the plus side, as long as he doesn't do something stupid, he'll probably never have to worry about unemployment and he could easily move to another area of the country and find a job. There is a huge demand for math teachers. It is so awful that we pay teachers such low salaries.

He needs to face reality unless you plan to supplement his income. Expensive tastes and being a teacher are a bad combination.
It is smart that he is double majoring though. He could always teach for a few years and then switch to something else. Most people don’t realize that teaching is a very hard job. It is very draining and the the hours are completely rigid and inflexible.

The job is no harder than any other job and you get every holiday and all summer off. The flexibility is similar to any other job that expects you to actually. do. your. job. Try working your ass off for 20+ years in a 60hr. a week pressure cooker big law firm. Teaching is not a hard job.

That's the view if you don't have to do everything teachers have to do. How many jobs make you the sole host and director of 25-30 hours of meetings every week? How many office workers have to prepare that much original content EVERY WEEK? How often does a lawyer have to figure out or even care if his colleagues know what he is talking about and alter his presentations for those who don't get it yet? How many office workers have to deal with their coworkers' parents complaining about their kids' experience with your firm? Do you have to notice or care if someone in your staff is bullying someone else? How about drugs in the workplace?

That just scratches the surface of what teachers face.

And one more, if your coworkers fail at your workplace, it's YOUR FAULT.

Um, I get that you are on a diatribe, but yes, I am responsible for running 20 hours of meetings a week. And yes, I am responsible for my mistakes and for complaints from my clients. And, well, if the people who report to me fail, it is my fault. So yeah, teaching is pretty much like a lot of other jobs. Just with more vaca.

Great argument for comparable pay then. Thanks!

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I have a PhD and was offered a position with DCPS a year ago and the salary was 65k.

😱 This is tragic. WTF is wrong with this country.

My DS just finished his freshman year of college and is majoring in math and secondary education. He went to a private high school and really wants to be a high school math teacher at his alma mater. However, he is realistic that there won't be openings every year for a math teacher so he'd most likely have to work in the public schools. I love that he has the passion to teach. But he has very expensive tastes. I hate squashing his dream but he also has to be realistic about how much money he'll earn as a teacher. On the plus side, as long as he doesn't do something stupid, he'll probably never have to worry about unemployment and he could easily move to another area of the country and find a job. There is a huge demand for math teachers. It is so awful that we pay teachers such low salaries.

He needs to face reality unless you plan to supplement his income. Expensive tastes and being a teacher are a bad combination.
It is smart that he is double majoring though. He could always teach for a few years and then switch to something else. Most people don’t realize that teaching is a very hard job. It is very draining and the the hours are completely rigid and inflexible.

The job is no harder than any other job and you get every holiday and all summer off. The flexibility is similar to any other job that expects you to actually. do. your. job. Try working your ass off for 20+ years in a 60hr. a week pressure cooker big law firm. Teaching is not a hard job.

That's the view if you don't have to do everything teachers have to do. How many jobs make you the sole host and director of 25-30 hours of meetings every week? How many office workers have to prepare that much original content EVERY WEEK? How often does a lawyer have to figure out or even care if his colleagues know what he is talking about and alter his presentations for those who don't get it yet? How many office workers have to deal with their coworkers' parents complaining about their kids' experience with your firm? Do you have to notice or care if someone in your staff is bullying someone else? How about drugs in the workplace?

That just scratches the surface of what teachers face.

And one more, if your coworkers fail at your workplace, it's YOUR FAULT.

Um, I get that you are on a diatribe, but yes, I am responsible for running 20 hours of meetings a week. And yes, I am responsible for my mistakes and for complaints from my clients. And, well, if the people who report to me fail, it is my fault. So yeah, teaching is pretty much like a lot of other jobs. Just with more vaca.

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I have a PhD and was offered a position with DCPS a year ago and the salary was 65k.

😱 This is tragic. WTF is wrong with this country.

My DS just finished his freshman year of college and is majoring in math and secondary education. He went to a private high school and really wants to be a high school math teacher at his alma mater. However, he is realistic that there won't be openings every year for a math teacher so he'd most likely have to work in the public schools. I love that he has the passion to teach. But he has very expensive tastes. I hate squashing his dream but he also has to be realistic about how much money he'll earn as a teacher. On the plus side, as long as he doesn't do something stupid, he'll probably never have to worry about unemployment and he could easily move to another area of the country and find a job. There is a huge demand for math teachers. It is so awful that we pay teachers such low salaries.

He needs to face reality unless you plan to supplement his income. Expensive tastes and being a teacher are a bad combination.
It is smart that he is double majoring though. He could always teach for a few years and then switch to something else. Most people don’t realize that teaching is a very hard job. It is very draining and the the hours are completely rigid and inflexible.

The job is no harder than any other job and you get every holiday and all summer off. The flexibility is similar to any other job that expects you to actually. do. your. job. Try working your ass off for 20+ years in a 60hr. a week pressure cooker big law firm. Teaching is not a hard job.

That's the view if you don't have to do everything teachers have to do. How many jobs make you the sole host and director of 25-30 hours of meetings every week? How many office workers have to prepare that much original content EVERY WEEK? How often does a lawyer have to figure out or even care if his colleagues know what he is talking about and alter his presentations for those who don't get it yet? How many office workers have to deal with their coworkers' parents complaining about their kids' experience with your firm? Do you have to notice or care if someone in your staff is bullying someone else? How about drugs in the workplace?

That just scratches the surface of what teachers face.

And one more, if your coworkers fail at your workplace, it's YOUR FAULT.

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Anonymous wrote:10+ years in DC area privates. Not a teacher, think a student support role, have a masters in my field and a total of 14 years experience in my field. My salary is low 80’s. In DCPS I’d be over 100k

I’m curious why you don’t jump to DCPS?

Some day I might. I’m licensed and keep it current. I tried several years ago and the offers I got were schools with much longer commutes and/or working with a grade level I don’t prefer. Also, switching schools is hard… emotionally and logistically. In private schools you are set up to resign before you can have another job lined up (in a private or public). That is a tough move to make.

I’m curious when you have to resign in private school if you are not coming back the next year?
In MCPS, you have until July to resign I think.

Private schools hand out teacher contracts before Spring Break and you get about 2 weeks to negotiate and sign it. If you have a decent HOS you can ask for an extension or two. Plus, all the local private schools have an agreement and they won’t hire you if you’re already under contract somewhere else. So it’s hard to move around unless you are changing roles.

Wow. That is very early to commit.

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Anonymous wrote:10+ years in DC area privates. Not a teacher, think a student support role, have a masters in my field and a total of 14 years experience in my field. My salary is low 80’s. In DCPS I’d be over 100k

I’m curious why you don’t jump to DCPS?

Some day I might. I’m licensed and keep it current. I tried several years ago and the offers I got were schools with much longer commutes and/or working with a grade level I don’t prefer. Also, switching schools is hard… emotionally and logistically. In private schools you are set up to resign before you can have another job lined up (in a private or public). That is a tough move to make.

I’m curious when you have to resign in private school if you are not coming back the next year?
In MCPS, you have until July to resign I think.

Private schools hand out teacher contracts before Spring Break and you get about 2 weeks to negotiate and sign it. If you have a decent HOS you can ask for an extension or two. Plus, all the local private schools have an agreement and they won’t hire you if you’re already under contract somewhere else. So it’s hard to move around unless you are changing roles.

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My DS just finished his freshman year of college and is majoring in math and secondary education. He went to a private high school and really wants to be a high school math teacher at his alma mater.

If he gets a serious Math degree from a good university (i.e., not merely math for secondary school teachers), then it should be possible for him to work during his summers at one of several Federal research facilities in metro DC. He will need to figure out how to apply for the various “summer faculty hiring” programs. Some faculty do this many summers in a row, often in the same Federal research facility and often in the same research groups.

Most such positions are outside the competitive civil service (some are only for university faculty, while others also include secondary school faculty) and as 3-month positions they lack benefits, but they do pay market rate per-hour for scientists & engineers doing research. Where I work, we do not have enough mathematical work to justify a full-time permanent mathematician, but we could use a solid mathematician every summer, provided the mathematician knows well how to use either Matlab or Mathematica or R. A Masters degree in Mathematics, not in Education, is definitely helpful in getting hired for these positions.

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Anonymous wrote:10+ years in DC area privates. Not a teacher, think a student support role, have a masters in my field and a total of 14 years experience in my field. My salary is low 80’s. In DCPS I’d be over 100k

I’m curious why you don’t jump to DCPS?

Some day I might. I’m licensed and keep it current. I tried several years ago and the offers I got were schools with much longer commutes and/or working with a grade level I don’t prefer. Also, switching schools is hard… emotionally and logistically. In private schools you are set up to resign before you can have another job lined up (in a private or public). That is a tough move to make.

I’m curious when you have to resign in private school if you are not coming back the next year?
In MCPS, you have until July to resign I think.

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My DS just finished his freshman year of college and is majoring in math and secondary education. He went to a private high school and really wants to be a high school math teacher at his alma mater.