NP. Have not been following PARCC threads until now. Can anyone recap how MoCo or other surrounding areas did vs. DC? I'm not one of those fleeing to the suburbs anytime soon--and my kid is several years away from any testing grades--but just curious.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The racial achievement gap is astounding.

According to http://www.dcpcsb.org/sites/default/files/dems2.pdf there were about 93 African American kids in charters in the district who scored a 5 on math and about 91 white kids, despite white kids only making up 6% of the student body at charters in those grades. In ELA, there were more white kids than black ones who scored a 5, even though whites are 5% of the enrollment (I don't know why whites were 5% for ELA and 6% for math). Is it just that well-off AA students go private and well-off white students use charters?

This is quite alarming. As a mother of a black boy at a "highly regarded" charter I am concerned. My DC is smart and we have decent income ($250) but not enough to comfortably afford private.

Stop being an alarmist. With your resources to provide tutoring and extras, your child will be fine. You have the same resources to provide for your child that the affluent white parents provide for their children, kumon, Huntington, khan academy, sylvan, etc. It's just that your AA child's high numbers will be knocked out by three AA children who are poor and unable to receive tutoring, etc. I don't think you can make a fair comparison. I am sure that my child's individual scores are 4s and 5s, but when the numbers come out, his numbers will mean very little when lumped in with all the poor AA children in this city.

The bigger issue is that you high achieving boy will be surrounded by peers are not high-achieving, which 1) could drag down your boy's motivation to succeed, and 2) could mean that teachers/others set the same low expectations for your boy that they give the other boys in his class.

Now I have thought about that, and so far that has not been the case. Of course I am watching and will definitely reassess if I find what you mentioned occurring. He just started fifth grade at Latin and I love the school's curriculum. I'm hoping it can take him all the way through with continued high expectations. I could use any money that I would have spent on private school for college.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The racial achievement gap is astounding.

According to http://www.dcpcsb.org/sites/default/files/dems2.pdf there were about 93 African American kids in charters in the district who scored a 5 on math and about 91 white kids, despite white kids only making up 6% of the student body at charters in those grades. In ELA, there were more white kids than black ones who scored a 5, even though whites are 5% of the enrollment (I don't know why whites were 5% for ELA and 6% for math). Is it just that well-off AA students go private and well-off white students use charters?

This is quite alarming. As a mother of a black boy at a "highly regarded" charter I am concerned. My DC is smart and we have decent income ($250) but not enough to comfortably afford private.

Stop being an alarmist. With your resources to provide tutoring and extras, your child will be fine. You have the same resources to provide for your child that the affluent white parents provide for their children, kumon, Huntington, khan academy, sylvan, etc. It's just that your AA child's high numbers will be knocked out by three AA children who are poor and unable to receive tutoring, etc. I don't think you can make a fair comparison. I am sure that my child's individual scores are 4s and 5s, but when the numbers come out, his numbers will mean very little when lumped in with all the poor AA children in this city.

The bigger issue is that you high achieving boy will be surrounded by peers are not high-achieving, which 1) could drag down your boy's motivation to succeed, and 2) could mean that teachers/others set the same low expectations for your boy that they give the other boys in his class.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The racial achievement gap is astounding.

According to http://www.dcpcsb.org/sites/default/files/dems2.pdf there were about 93 African American kids in charters in the district who scored a 5 on math and about 91 white kids, despite white kids only making up 6% of the student body at charters in those grades. In ELA, there were more white kids than black ones who scored a 5, even though whites are 5% of the enrollment (I don't know why whites were 5% for ELA and 6% for math). Is it just that well-off AA students go private and well-off white students use charters?

This is quite alarming. As a mother of a black boy at a "highly regarded" charter I am concerned. My DC is smart and we have decent income ($250) but not enough to comfortably afford private.

Stop being an alarmist. With your resources to provide tutoring and extras, your child will be fine. You have the same resources to provide for your child that the affluent white parents provide for their children, kumon, Huntington, khan academy, sylvan, etc. It's just that your AA child's high numbers will be knocked out by three AA children who are poor and unable to receive tutoring, etc. I don't think you can make a fair comparison. I am sure that my child's individual scores are 4s and 5s, but when the numbers come out, his numbers will mean very little when lumped in with all the poor AA children in this city.

Anonymous wrote:This would be a good time to remind ourselves that this was the first year of a more difficult test, given in a totally new format (computer). Other states are seeing similar results.

Hang up your call to your real estate agent (unless you want to sell to me for a discount! )

Yea, I heard part of the problem is it is given on a computer with a mouse, which students don't know how to use.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aggregate for WOTP
Janney ES 74%
Ross ES 73%
Lafayette ES 72%
Mann ES 71%
Eaton ES 69%
Murch ES 68%
Key ES 65%
Oyster Adams Bilingual School 52%
Hearst ES 42%

The bolded are the only two that are significantly off.

Well, guess this is as good as it gets for public schools in DC. We are outta here!

You might want to check with is going on in the suburbs with test scores. The numbers here are only as good as the test is at measuring learning. Does it measure learning. I have my doubts.

This would be a good time to remind ourselves that this was the first year of a more difficult test, given in a totally new format (computer). Other states are seeing similar results.

Hang up your call to your real estate agent (unless you want to sell to me for a discount! )

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aggregate for WOTP
Janney ES 74%
Ross ES 73%
Lafayette ES 72%
Mann ES 71%
Eaton ES 69%
Murch ES 68%
Key ES 65%
Oyster Adams Bilingual School 52%
Hearst ES 42%

The bolded are the only two that are significantly off.

Well, guess this is as good as it gets for public schools in DC. We are outta here!

Ha! Where are you going? Moco where they had scores in the 30s? Just calm down, this is a brand new test that was bombed by every state that took it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:how much teaching to the test is there? If I look at the whitest school in DC -SWS- and compare their 3rd and 4th grade results -46% and 56%- to the average 79% and 70% for white kids, it seems that students at SWS are slackers. At least compared to the other white schools in the NW and Brent. Is it the education model? Cap Montessori is also bad, actually much worse.

SWS only has 3rd grade test results. I was surprised that it didn't have 25 white students in order to report test results for just white students. I was also surprised that their ELA was lower than their math - I was expecting the opposite.

SWS isn't the whitest school in DC - Janney for one has a higher white percentage. SWS is up there though in terms of percentage of white students and based on that, one might have expected better test results. I wonder if a lack of typing skills accounts for ELA being lower than math.

Do special ed students take the test?

Yes

The fact that there aren't 25 white kids among 39 students pretty much answers PPs inane comment about the demographics, especially for grade 3. That translates to < 2/3 whatever the school's overall demographics.

For 3rd grade, SWS is 8th overall among DCPS for math 4+, 9th for 3+ and 9th for 5. SWS is 10th overall among DCPS for ELA 4+, 5th for 3+ and 16th for 5. Of course, you're talking about ~ 60 total kids in DCPS 3rd grade who reached 5 so there's not much shame in only having 1 student hit that mark. There were 185 3rd graders who reached 5 on math, including 5 from SWS

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aggregate for WOTP
Janney ES 74%
Ross ES 73%
Lafayette ES 72%
Mann ES 71%
Eaton ES 69%
Murch ES 68%
Key ES 65%
Oyster Adams Bilingual School 52%
Hearst ES 42%

The bolded are the only two that are significantly off.

Well, guess this is as good as it gets for public schools in DC. We are outta here!

If this is what is making you leave, you were already gone.

Anonymous wrote:that is also just the charter data. Could be that high-achieving AA parents who stay in public school use the OOB DCPS more than the charters.

High-scoring kids who add racial diversity to a class might be able to get scholarships to private schools, but that's a topic for another DCUM forum.

Nope that's not the case. KIPP and DC Prep have the highest % of AA kids that scored advanced, followed by Stoddert and Eaton (but you're talking about about 2-6 students at those school).
Stoddert ES All Math 10.7% 28 students
KIPP DC LEAD Academy All Math 16.1% 87 students
KIPP DC Promise PCS All Math 11.5% 191 students
DC Prep PCS Edgewood Elementary All ELA 14.3% 63 students
Stoddert ES All ELA 10.7% 28 students
Eaton ES All ELA 10.4% 67 students

For some of the "popular schools" % of AA advanced student performance is concerning as well

Lafayette 5.1% AA advanced in math, 2.6% in English. 39 AA students tested (22.4 and 14.9 for white – 196 kids)
Stoddert 10.7% AA advanced math, 10.7% in English. 28 AA kids tested (21.5 and 16.7 for white – 79 kids)
Janney not enough AA kids (25)
Mann not enough AA kids (25)
Murch 4.9% AA advanced in math, 2.4% in English. 41 students tested (16.9 and 9.5 for white students - 160 kids)
Key 4.0% AA advanced in math, 4.0% in English. 25 students tested (18.4 and 12.8 for white students – 87 kids)
Eaton 0% AA advanced in math, 10.4% in English. 67 students tested (19.8 and 18.8 for white students – 96 kids)
Oyster 0% AA advanced in math, 3.8% in English. 26 students tested (20.5 and 27.3 for white students – 88 kids)
Brent 0% AA advanced in math, 5.7% in English. 35 students tested (20.0 and 23.6 for white students – 55 kids)
Hearst 1.3% AA advanced in math, 1.3% in English. 75 students tested (18.8 and 18.8 for white students – 32 kids)
Shepherd 4.5% AA advanced in math, 1.8% in English. 111 students tested (NA for white)

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aggregate for WOTP
Janney ES 74%
Ross ES 73%
Lafayette ES 72%
Mann ES 71%
Eaton ES 69%
Murch ES 68%
Key ES 65%
Oyster Adams Bilingual School 52%
Hearst ES 42%

The bolded are the only two that are significantly off.

Well, guess this is as good as it gets for public schools in DC. We are outta here!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:how much teaching to the test is there? If I look at the whitest school in DC -SWS- and compare their 3rd and 4th grade results -46% and 56%- to the average 79% and 70% for white kids, it seems that students at SWS are slackers. At least compared to the other white schools in the NW and Brent. Is it the education model? Cap Montessori is also bad, actually much worse.

SWS only has 3rd grade test results. I was surprised that it didn't have 25 white students in order to report test results for just white students. I was also surprised that their ELA was lower than their math - I was expecting the opposite.

SWS isn't the whitest school in DC - Janney for one has a higher white percentage. SWS is up there though in terms of percentage of white students and based on that, one might have expected better test results. I wonder if a lack of typing skills accounts for ELA being lower than math.

Do special ed students take the test?

Yes

and FYI if you go to each school equity report you can see what percentages of the special education students have which level of needs (Levels are 1-4 with 4 being the most severe).

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:how much teaching to the test is there? If I look at the whitest school in DC -SWS- and compare their 3rd and 4th grade results -46% and 56%- to the average 79% and 70% for white kids, it seems that students at SWS are slackers. At least compared to the other white schools in the NW and Brent. Is it the education model? Cap Montessori is also bad, actually much worse.

SWS only has 3rd grade test results. I was surprised that it didn't have 25 white students in order to report test results for just white students. I was also surprised that their ELA was lower than their math - I was expecting the opposite.

SWS isn't the whitest school in DC - Janney for one has a higher white percentage. SWS is up there though in terms of percentage of white students and based on that, one might have expected better test results. I wonder if a lack of typing skills accounts for ELA being lower than math.

Do special ed students take the test?

Yes

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:how much teaching to the test is there? If I look at the whitest school in DC -SWS- and compare their 3rd and 4th grade results -46% and 56%- to the average 79% and 70% for white kids, it seems that students at SWS are slackers. At least compared to the other white schools in the NW and Brent. Is it the education model? Cap Montessori is also bad, actually much worse.

SWS only has 3rd grade test results. I was surprised that it didn't have 25 white students in order to report test results for just white students. I was also surprised that their ELA was lower than their math - I was expecting the opposite.

SWS isn't the whitest school in DC - Janney for one has a higher white percentage. SWS is up there though in terms of percentage of white students and based on that, one might have expected better test results. I wonder if a lack of typing skills accounts for ELA being lower than math.

Do special ed students take the test?