Anonymous wrote:Don't let this get in the way of your stupid and clueless right wing narrative:

http://waltermondalejnr.com/2014/09/04/more-pics-of-ballsy-topless-lebanese-girls-burning-isis-flags/



Arab women in Lebanon stripping topless and burning ISIS flags in protest of Islamist extremism.

Boom.

Now shut the fuck up already about how you think everyone in the Arab world is a terrorist or ISIS sympathizer.

You don't know shit.

Straw man. No one has argued all Muslims are terrorists. In fact, I would be the first one to admit Muslims bear the brunt of Islamic Extremists, who kill far more Muslims in a day than Westerners in a year. And most Muslims just want to be left alone to work, and love and live and raise kids.

But a not insignificant percentage are extremist, committed to political violence, hold illiberal attitudes, and when not assimilated, have the potential to wreak havoc on society. See Europe. I truly feel bad for the majority of Muslims who are decent people who bear the brunt of this. But its not up to America to commit cultural suicide in the name of blind political correctness.

Good for those protestors. The Muslim world needs a reformation.

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff, I don't get your argument. Are you saying the reason that women are oppressed, Jews are hated and gays are under fear of death in all middle eastern muslim countries has nothing to do with the beliefs of the people who live there? Or is it that you think these people will immediately shed this upon entry to our country?

I think you are trying to change the topic now that it is clear that nobody is buying what you are selling.

Well, the majority of Americans are buying what I am selling, and all I am selling is a healthy dose of skepticism of the wisdom of the U.S. importing large numbers of people who hold anti-western beliefs. I suppose I am biased in that I have a lot of Jewish friends and considering there is not a single Muslim majority country where jews can freely practice their religion. But of course, that is racist to point out.

Really? :shock:

Bosnia

I needed a laugh. Although perhaps you are right. There are 500 Jews left in Bosnia. Perhaps there is even a temple there.

Don't let this get in the way of your stupid and clueless right wing narrative:

http://waltermondalejnr.com/2014/09/04/more-pics-of-ballsy-topless-lebanese-girls-burning-isis-flags/



Arab women in Lebanon stripping topless and burning ISIS flags in protest of Islamist extremism.

Boom.

Now shut the fuck up already about how you think everyone in the Arab world is a terrorist or ISIS sympathizer.

You don't know shit.

Anonymous wrote:

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff, I don't get your argument. Are you saying the reason that women are oppressed, Jews are hated and gays are under fear of death in all middle eastern muslim countries has nothing to do with the beliefs of the people who live there? Or is it that you think these people will immediately shed this upon entry to our country?

I think you are trying to change the topic now that it is clear that nobody is buying what you are selling.

Well, the majority of Americans are buying what I am selling, and all I am selling is a healthy dose of skepticism of the wisdom of the U.S. importing large numbers of people who hold anti-western beliefs. I suppose I am biased in that I have a lot of Jewish friends and considering there is not a single Muslim majority country where jews can freely practice their religion. But of course, that is racist to point out.

Really? :shock:

Bosnia

Kurdistan, which the U.S. should recognize.
Just check out the country's website:
http://cabinet.gov.krd/p/page.aspx?l=12&s=050000&r=310&p=220

You want freedom of religion, there it is!
Women are free there too, just look at the women in the graduating class, all kinds of hair flowing when they toss their mortar boards into the air:
http://cabinet.gov.krd/p/page.aspx?l=12&s=050000&r=308&p=218

Kurdistan rocks!

Ann Arbor

Toledo, Ohio

Brooklyn

It's not like they said "salam alaikum!"

Muslima wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jeff, I don't get your argument. Are you saying the reason that women are oppressed, Jews are hated and gays are under fear of death in all middle eastern muslim countries has nothing to do with the beliefs of the people who live there? Or is it that you think these people will immediately shed this upon entry to our country?

I think you are trying to change the topic now that it is clear that nobody is buying what you are selling.

Well, the majority of Americans are buying what I am selling, and all I am selling is a healthy dose of skepticism of the wisdom of the U.S. importing large numbers of people who hold anti-western beliefs. I suppose I am biased in that I have a lot of Jewish friends and considering there is not a single Muslim majority country where jews can freely practice their religion. But of course, that is racist to point out.

Really? :shock:

Bosnia

Google President Obama and Turkey.

You won't immediately find links to the recent G-20 Summit. You are more likely to find photos of the silly White House ceremony at which the president pardons the ugly birds. The sooner Turkey the country realizes that is how they rank in the order of things, the better!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As some people twist to try to excuse this, the Turkish manager speaks the truth:

“These whistles damage the image of our country. There were two matches on Tuesday canceled because of this terror. This is not child’s play. Terrorist threats are very serious. We must think. We can not remain passive in our country facing what is happening. It’s not us. You realize there is not even a minute’s silence. My God. I cannot justify what happened. But if we act together, we can prevent the sport from being sacrificed to terrorism.”

http://screamer.deadspin.com/why-did-turkish-soccer-fans-boo-during-a-moment-of-sile-1743341724

Wait, so the obvious explanation that an unfortunate number of muslims sympathize with ISIS is true? And all the bullshit apologies were just that? Who lost that bet?

You said Muslim

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Muslima wrote:http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/an-explanation-for-why-turkey-fans-appeared-to-boo-minutes-silence-for-paris-attack-victims/

Exactly what my friend said yesterday about this, this has bern blown way out of proportions.

clear: In Turkey (especially at football matches) a one minute silence is always used to chant for those who died in terrorist attacks.

And what they are chanting is this “?ehitler ölmez, vatan bölünmez”. Translation: “Martyrs, they do not die (they are immortal), homeland (land, our land) is indivisible.”

That is a habit from our past with the terrorist organisation PKK. More than 30,000 of our citizens died over the past 30 years by the PKK (including babies, women, children, teachers, officers, doctors, students and soldiers).

In any event, after PKK terrorists kill someone in Turkey, people chant this. Below is a proof from one Turkish Premier League match:

Same slogan “?ehitler ölmez, vatan bölünmez”.

And also, they booed the terrorist, not the victims. Any victims of terrorism are accepted as martyrs in Turkish culture. There is no disrespect to them, there has not been, there will not be.

Where have you been muslima good to have you back to defend You know

The Turks have never had to face responsibility for the Armenian genocide.

I would like to live without people that believe that some entity chose their universe out of a trillion and also choose their planet out of a billion in the universe and also chose their land out of thousands of cultures and also choose one person from out of billions and chose one century out of 100s of millions of centuries

To deliver their message of hope

Surely a loving God would have gone about this a little more effectively and humanely

Free will is not a gods gift

Anywhere someone hates you because you are different we should exclude that person and send them to live on some desert land with the rest of the animals

Muslima wrote:http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/an-explanation-for-why-turkey-fans-appeared-to-boo-minutes-silence-for-paris-attack-victims/

Exactly what my friend said yesterday about this, this has bern blown way out of proportions.

clear: In Turkey (especially at football matches) a one minute silence is always used to chant for those who died in terrorist attacks.

And what they are chanting is this “?ehitler ölmez, vatan bölünmez”. Translation: “Martyrs, they do not die (they are immortal), homeland (land, our land) is indivisible.”

That is a habit from our past with the terrorist organisation PKK. More than 30,000 of our citizens died over the past 30 years by the PKK (including babies, women, children, teachers, officers, doctors, students and soldiers).

In any event, after PKK terrorists kill someone in Turkey, people chant this. Below is a proof from one Turkish Premier League match:

Same slogan “?ehitler ölmez, vatan bölünmez”.

And also, they booed the terrorist, not the victims. Any victims of terrorism are accepted as martyrs in Turkish culture. There is no disrespect to them, there has not been, there will not be.

Excuse me, what???

Don't even go there, spewing your Turkish friend's propaganda here - I have Turkish friends, too, by the way, but they are not ignorant idiots like your friend, and well aware of the GENOCIDE that reaches back over a hundred years and is ongoing against the Kurdish people by the Turkish government. The Turkish have massacred entire towns of Kurdish people again and again. There you have your womenchildren, and babies, and that started DECADES before the PKK was even a thought. Turkey has forbidden the Kurdish language that is completely their own FROM EXISTENCE; speaking their OWN LANGUAGE, let alone anything in writing like a newspaper punished by first arrest, then torture, and sometimes death.
You don't believe me? I have worked in a center for victims of torture in Western Europe, half our patients were survivors of Turkish government brutality and we took patients in from all over the world.
Don't come here writing of the "terrorist PKK" , a designation that the U.S. Has considered to remove as they are fighting Isis, too, but were shying away from, due to ever feeling the need to appease Turkey. (The PKK has never done anything remotely resembling the genocide and forced migration the Turkish government has undertaken against the Kurdish, - the number of 30,000 in 30 years killed is a number thrown around by many, that estimates the KURDISH killed in retaliation by Turkey since the founding of the PKK, though it is more likely 40,000 killed in 40 years now. Of course, since the Kurdish don't even exist your friend says the 30,000 were Turkish)

Here is a link from the history department of the university of Washington.
http://history105.libraries.wsu.edu/fall2014/2014/08/29/the-subjection-of-the-kurds-throughout-the-early-20th-century-and-the-rise-of-kurdish-nationalism-today/

But back to the football game. They booed the terrorists - yeah right.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As some people twist to try to excuse this, the Turkish manager speaks the truth:

“These whistles damage the image of our country. There were two matches on Tuesday canceled because of this terror. This is not child’s play. Terrorist threats are very serious. We must think. We can not remain passive in our country facing what is happening. It’s not us. You realize there is not even a minute’s silence. My God. I cannot justify what happened. But if we act together, we can prevent the sport from being sacrificed to terrorism.”

http://screamer.deadspin.com/why-did-turkish-soccer-fans-boo-during-a-moment-of-sile-1743341724

Wait, so the obvious explanation that an unfortunate number of muslims sympathize with ISIS is true? And all the bullshit apologies were just that? Who lost that bet?

First, as I keep repeating, this was never about "Muslims", but about Turks. Beyond that, if you read the article, it is more of a tie. The Turkish behavior was rude, but apparently they are always rude so it didn't necessarily signify support for ISIS (though that is not ruled out). The Deadpan article is very good at trying to get to all the nuances.

Anonymous wrote:As some people twist to try to excuse this, the Turkish manager speaks the truth:

“These whistles damage the image of our country. There were two matches on Tuesday canceled because of this terror. This is not child’s play. Terrorist threats are very serious. We must think. We can not remain passive in our country facing what is happening. It’s not us. You realize there is not even a minute’s silence. My God. I cannot justify what happened. But if we act together, we can prevent the sport from being sacrificed to terrorism.”

http://screamer.deadspin.com/why-did-turkish-soccer-fans-boo-during-a-moment-of-sile-1743341724

Wait, so the obvious explanation that an unfortunate number of muslims sympathize with ISIS is true? And all the bullshit apologies were just that? Who lost that bet?