13:34 again. To PP - to me there is a big difference between 147 and 155. More than half a standard deviation... I personally know of a couple of high 140s kids who really fit in and are mainstream, athletically and socially (one of my kids included), but I have yet to meet a 155+ kid (know personally of a few including one of my kids) who doesn't have some sort of setback if you will.

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Anonymous wrote:In my humble opinion, there is no such thing as a "best" elementary school for a profoundly gifted child in the DC area. No elementary school that I know of, and I have researched this extensively, is truly able to deal with the profoundly gifted kid. There are too few of these kids (though this area probably has more than most anywhere else in the country) and their needs are so varying that no single place can truly accommodate the truly individualized learning that PG kids need. Also, I will note that parents with PG kids aren't usually bragging, they actually have as much difficulty finding the right fit for their kids as parents with profoundly low (or whatever the proper term is now) IQs. A kid above 150 in IQ is as far away from a 100 IQ (average) as a kid with a 50 IQ... and kids with 50 IQs can't function in a school setting. People often don't realize this, especially in this area where there seems to be a race for one-upmanship on IQs. Often the most successful people are the ones with IQs in the 120-145 range because those people are smart AND have the ability to be well-rounded. The PG kids (152+ out of the 160 WISC scales) often lag behind in one or more other areas because development is unequal. While Davidson is a great resource, they don't have all the answers either, because there aren't any simple answers when it comes to the rare PG kid. Several of the PG kids (though I don't know their IQs so I am only speculating that they are PG) I have learned about through Davidson have been homeschooled until they are old enough to attend high school or college early or begin dual enrollment if they are older kids.

NP here- is this always true? Can you have a PG kid who is socially and physically/athletically right on track?

Always wondered this....

Yes, I am the pp with the 155 kid and a nephew with 147 IQ who is going to the Davidson summer program. My nephew is socially/athletically/emotionally on track - actually emotionally mature beyond his years as well as very gifted academically and a very good athlete. He is a really *easy* kid basically a 9 yr old who seems like he is 25.

My son on the other hand can be very difficult or as my brother describes him *SO HARD*. DS has an IEP and an ASD/Asperger's type/ADHD dx.

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NP here- is this always true? Can you have a PG kid who is socially and physically/athletically right on track?

Always wondered this....

13:34 here. I suspect it's not always true, but I have been told by experienced psychologists that it is true almost all of the time. Most true PG kids and adults are not completely "mainstream" in some way. Of course, there are varying degrees of lag-behind, but you can see it overall if you look at that segment. Many really really smart kids are autistic, or 2E in some way, or maybe not classified officially as 2E but somewhat loners, anti-social, physically delayed, etc. But I haven't personally conducted research on this, and am only basing what I am saying here on many discussions with multiple psychologists experienced with gifted kids and my personal observations.

Anonymous wrote:In my humble opinion, there is no such thing as a "best" elementary school for a profoundly gifted child in the DC area. No elementary school that I know of, and I have researched this extensively, is truly able to deal with the profoundly gifted kid. There are too few of these kids (though this area probably has more than most anywhere else in the country) and their needs are so varying that no single place can truly accommodate the truly individualized learning that PG kids need. Also, I will note that parents with PG kids aren't usually bragging, they actually have as much difficulty finding the right fit for their kids as parents with profoundly low (or whatever the proper term is now) IQs. A kid above 150 in IQ is as far away from a 100 IQ (average) as a kid with a 50 IQ... and kids with 50 IQs can't function in a school setting. People often don't realize this, especially in this area where there seems to be a race for one-upmanship on IQs. Often the most successful people are the ones with IQs in the 120-145 range because those people are smart AND have the ability to be well-rounded. The PG kids (152+ out of the 160 WISC scales) often lag behind in one or more other areas because development is unequal. While Davidson is a great resource, they don't have all the answers either, because there aren't any simple answers when it comes to the rare PG kid. Several of the PG kids (though I don't know their IQs so I am only speculating that they are PG) I have learned about through Davidson have been homeschooled until they are old enough to attend high school or college early or begin dual enrollment if they are older kids.

NP here- is this always true? Can you have a PG kid who is socially and physically/athletically right on track?

Always wondered this....

In my humble opinion, there is no such thing as a "best" elementary school for a profoundly gifted child in the DC area. No elementary school that I know of, and I have researched this extensively, is truly able to deal with the profoundly gifted kid. There are too few of these kids (though this area probably has more than most anywhere else in the country) and their needs are so varying that no single place can truly accommodate the truly individualized learning that PG kids need. Also, I will note that parents with PG kids aren't usually bragging, they actually have as much difficulty finding the right fit for their kids as parents with profoundly low (or whatever the proper term is now) IQs. A kid above 150 in IQ is as far away from a 100 IQ (average) as a kid with a 50 IQ... and kids with 50 IQs can't function in a school setting. People often don't realize this, especially in this area where there seems to be a race for one-upmanship on IQs. Often the most successful people are the ones with IQs in the 120-145 range because those people are smart AND have the ability to be well-rounded. The PG kids (152+ out of the 160 WISC scales) often lag behind in one or more other areas because development is unequal. While Davidson is a great resource, they don't have all the answers either, because there aren't any simple answers when it comes to the rare PG kid. Several of the PG kids (though I don't know their IQs so I am only speculating that they are PG) I have learned about through Davidson have been homeschooled until they are old enough to attend high school or college early or begin dual enrollment if they are older kids.

Anonymous wrote:If you are looking to a school that truly caters to this population, only Nysmith & Feynman focus on gifted education. There are many other schools that have advanced and flexible learning options, the AAP program, and extracurricular enriched learning opportunities. Go check out schools - you will know what fits.

I second this suggestion.

Anonymous wrote:People need to understand that "profoundly gifted" is an actual designation, and that it sounds to me almost like a disability.

One psychologist has defined "socially optimal intelligence" as the 125-155 range. Above that, you often have real problems.

Think of it like height. Everyone wants their son to be 6-foot-3. Almost nobody wants him to be 7-foot-1.

Ted Kaczynski had a 167 IQ in the fifth grade. How'd that work out?

Depending on where you live determines your gifted kid's rights. In Pennsylvania, gifted kids qualify for an IEP if their needs are not being met in the regular classroom.

People need to understand that "profoundly gifted" is an actual designation, and that it sounds to me almost like a disability.

One psychologist has defined "socially optimal intelligence" as the 125-155 range. Above that, you often have real problems.

Think of it like height. Everyone wants their son to be 6-foot-3. Almost nobody wants him to be 7-foot-1.

Ted Kaczynski had a 167 IQ in the fifth grade. How'd that work out?

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I agree with checking out davidson's gifted.
I live on the west coast and although there are private schools for gifted kids (some of which require IQ tests), most private gifted schools are for kids 130-150. If your child is over that, those schools may or may not be a good fit.

Some kids in this area go the public school route and are okay, but others quit and go to college early because of the boredom.

Not sure if you have thought about boarding school but that may be a good option instead of having your kid go off to college at 15.

I would expect most kids in selective private schools in urban areas have IQs in this range. What they may not have is crazy parents who are fixated on their IQs.

No, "most kids in selective private schools in urban areas" do not have IQs over 150. The few kids who do often have trouble learning anything in most educational settings. If their parents understand this and seek a setting that might work for their child, it does not mean that they are "fixated on their IQ," it means that they want their child to have an opportunity to learn, like every other parent. Hope this helps you understand.

NP here. OP could be for real. In fact, I'm thinking I may know OP. I know a woman who lives in NoVA who has a 4 year old who is already fluent in six languages.

If you are looking to a school that truly caters to this population, only Nysmith & Feynman focus on gifted education. There are many other schools that have advanced and flexible learning options, the AAP program, and extracurricular enriched learning opportunities. Go check out schools - you will know what fits.

Anonymous wrote:gds (closest to va) can meet kids where they are at. Or Beauvoir. TJ for high school.

Of the "elite" private schools, Beauvoir is the least able to educate a gifted child.

Anonymous wrote:gds (closest to va) can meet kids where they are at. Or Beauvoir. TJ for high school.

Not consistent with the feedback we got from Beauvior, especially if OP is looking for a cohort of similar kids.

Anonymous wrote:OP, I agree with checking out davidson's gifted.
I live on the west coast and although there are private schools for gifted kids (some of which require IQ tests), most private gifted schools are for kids 130-150. If your child is over that, those schools may or may not be a good fit.

Some kids in this area go the public school route and are okay, but others quit and go to college early because of the boredom.

Not sure if you have thought about boarding school but that may be a good option instead of having your kid go off to college at 15.

I would expect most kids in selective private schools in urban areas have IQs in this range. What they may not have is crazy parents who are fixated on their IQs.

whoops, that should say pottery, not poetry.