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Anonymous wrote:Actually I've become even more pro choice since becoming pregnant. It wasn't until I understood when testing could take place and how that corresponded with so-called "late term abortion" that I got it. You only potentially find out about things at 20 weeks, may need to get an amnio to confirm, and by then you're pushing the 23 week deadline.

What is CVS for $20, Alex..

CVS can be done early in pregnancy (earlier than amniocentesis), and results are usually obtained within 10 days. Getting this kind of information early allows a woman to make choices in the beginning stage of her pregnancy. If a woman chooses to terminate the pregnancy after receiving abnormal test results, the termination will be safer than if she waits until later for amniocentesis results.

CVS is not always covered by insurance, particularly in women under 35. So those women need to do the 13 week test and see a potential abnormality in order for CVS to be covered by insurance. This takes us back to the matter of pushing the timeline.

Moreover, none of the diagnostic tests like CVS or amnio are done routinely, unless an abnormality is spotted. Abnormalities are not spotted until the 20 week ultrasound. So, again, my original point, which I made a loooong time ago, stands.

I have a child with SN and while I love him so, and will fight for him to get the services he needs and hopefully to attain a life he enjoys, parenting has made me even more pro choice. I do not know what my son's life would look like in the hands of someone without the resources or the will to fight for him.

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Anonymous wrote:Comments like the above make me long for retroactive abortion.

Not the PP you were replying to, but comments like yours remind me what a slippery moral slope abortion on demand supporters tread.

The above comment was a sarcastic dig, nothing more. No one actually wants to go back in time and retroactively abort the pp. The fact that you would take such a facetious comment and turn it into an actual abortion discussion shows the weakness of your position.

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And you, apparently, cannot read. OP specifically said she would not want her poor baby teen to have to endure the horrors of an unwanted pregnancy, since she is still a "child" herself. But crazy as your point of view is, I suppose you think it's fine for "children" in this situation to be having sex and abortions. I mean, why not. Planned Parenthood is making big $$$ off of the body parts.

Begone, nutter. You may have your own opinions, no matter how flawed your logic, but you may not have your own facts.

Well, apparently even PP agrees with me, because they have admitted to this and are now saying they will not take payments for fetal tissue. These satanists under exposure of course; they had to be forced to take even this step. (You may not have heard that yet, from the cave you dwell in.)

Nutter, that's cute. You've reminded me it's almost time for lunch and I think I'll have some peanut butter.

Sure, a group can change from doing one legal thing to doing another legal thing. If this leads to people ceasing their attacks upon Planned Parenthood and requests to defund them, then excellent! While you're eating your peanut butter, are you going to stop worrying about what Planned Parenthood is doing with government or private donor money, or are you going to continue thinking of ways to attack them?

I will never stop attacking them until their abortion services are completely out of business, and/or R v W is overturned. What PP does with the rest of their funding is up to them.

Anonymous wrote:Comments like the above make me long for retroactive abortion.

Not the PP you were replying to, but comments like yours remind me what a slippery moral slope abortion on demand supporters tread.

No. This is hard, expensive, demanding work with important consequences.

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Anonymous wrote:Hey it's an online debate about abortion! Anyone's mind changed yet?

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Thanks for stopping by, you guys!

Anonymous wrote:Hey it's an online debate about abortion! Anyone's mind changed yet?

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More pro choice. No one should be forced to continue a pregnancy. For me, pregnancy/childbirth was horrible.

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Anonymous wrote:Actually I've become even more pro choice since becoming pregnant. It wasn't until I understood when testing could take place and how that corresponded with so-called "late term abortion" that I got it. You only potentially find out about things at 20 weeks, may need to get an amnio to confirm, and by then you're pushing the 23 week deadline.

What is CVS for $20, Alex..

CVS can be done early in pregnancy (earlier than amniocentesis), and results are usually obtained within 10 days. Getting this kind of information early allows a woman to make choices in the beginning stage of her pregnancy. If a woman chooses to terminate the pregnancy after receiving abnormal test results, the termination will be safer than if she waits until later for amniocentesis results.

What is "irrelevant" for $1000?, Alex.

Most women do not just have CVS routinely as it carries the risk of miscarriage. And not every condition arises early enough or is otherwise detected by that test. I am so glad that you haven't had personal experience with some of the monstrously sad conditions that can only be spotted after 20 weeks.

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Anonymous wrote:Actually I've become even more pro choice since becoming pregnant. It wasn't until I understood when testing could take place and how that corresponded with so-called "late term abortion" that I got it. You only potentially find out about things at 20 weeks, may need to get an amnio to confirm, and by then you're pushing the 23 week deadline.

What is CVS for $20, Alex..

CVS can be done early in pregnancy (earlier than amniocentesis), and results are usually obtained within 10 days. Getting this kind of information early allows a woman to make choices in the beginning stage of her pregnancy. If a woman chooses to terminate the pregnancy after receiving abnormal test results, the termination will be safer than if she waits until later for amniocentesis results.

CVS is not always covered by insurance, particularly in women under 35. So those women need to do the 13 week test and see a potential abnormality in order for CVS to be covered by insurance. This takes us back to the matter of pushing the timeline.

Hey it's an online debate about abortion! Anyone's mind changed yet?

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Anonymous wrote:I have turned pro-life. Everyone has dignity that is distinctly theirs, including an unborn human. As mothers, it is our duty to help maintain this dignity. It is not our choice to allow this dignity or not. I am for responsibility. Take charge of your body and choices and don't procreate if you don't have the means to take care of it.

Can you expand on this? Because this is basically meaningless word salad.

Can you further elaborate on why you do think abortion is not taking "responsibility" once someone has determined that they don't have the means to care for a child?

Word salad? Sure, whatever makes you feel better.

Definition: Dignity 1.the state or quality of being worthy of honor or respect

Why would your incoherency make me feel better? This sentence: "Everyone has dignity that is distinctly theirs." is not an argument. It doesn't even make sense, let alone mean anything. So a morula has "the quality of being worthy of honor or respect," more so than a woman with 26 years in the rear view? Because anti-choicers who vote anti-choice, to a tee, think wimmen are just too gosh darn stupid and fickle to be trusted with this decision. Or murderous sluts with blood lust. Or confused by the Feminazi propaganda that says wimmen don't just have to have kids and stay home with them.

But toss that word salad! Main ingredient? Bitter leaves of internalized misogyny.

Anonymous wrote:Actually I've become even more pro choice since becoming pregnant. It wasn't until I understood when testing could take place and how that corresponded with so-called "late term abortion" that I got it. You only potentially find out about things at 20 weeks, may need to get an amnio to confirm, and by then you're pushing the 23 week deadline.

What is CVS for $20, Alex..

CVS can be done early in pregnancy (earlier than amniocentesis), and results are usually obtained within 10 days. Getting this kind of information early allows a woman to make choices in the beginning stage of her pregnancy. If a woman chooses to terminate the pregnancy after receiving abnormal test results, the termination will be safer than if she waits until later for amniocentesis results.

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And you, apparently, cannot read. OP specifically said she would not want her poor baby teen to have to endure the horrors of an unwanted pregnancy, since she is still a "child" herself. But crazy as your point of view is, I suppose you think it's fine for "children" in this situation to be having sex and abortions. I mean, why not. Planned Parenthood is making big $$$ off of the body parts.

Begone, nutter. You may have your own opinions, no matter how flawed your logic, but you may not have your own facts.

Well, apparently even PP agrees with me, because they have admitted to this and are now saying they will not take payments for fetal tissue. These satanists under exposure of course; they had to be forced to take even this step. (You may not have heard that yet, from the cave you dwell in.)

Nutter, that's cute. You've reminded me it's almost time for lunch and I think I'll have some peanut butter.

No, they don't, no, they haven't and the only payments they take are to recover the labor of the people who prep the tissue samples. I guess you can try to give a link that proves your claim, but it's either going to come from whatever Operation Rescue is calling themselves or a link to the videos from CMP... which is the same thing as no link at all. So I repeat, "Begone, nutter. You may have your own opinions, no matter how flawed your logic, but you may not have your own facts." Hope your lunch was good!

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And you, apparently, cannot read. OP specifically said she would not want her poor baby teen to have to endure the horrors of an unwanted pregnancy, since she is still a "child" herself. But crazy as your point of view is, I suppose you think it's fine for "children" in this situation to be having sex and abortions. I mean, why not. Planned Parenthood is making big $$$ off of the body parts.

Begone, nutter. You may have your own opinions, no matter how flawed your logic, but you may not have your own facts.

Well, apparently even PP agrees with me, because they have admitted to this and are now saying they will not take payments for fetal tissue. These satanists under exposure of course; they had to be forced to take even this step. (You may not have heard that yet, from the cave you dwell in.)

Nutter, that's cute. You've reminded me it's almost time for lunch and I think I'll have some peanut butter.

Sure, a group can change from doing one legal thing to doing another legal thing. If this leads to people ceasing their attacks upon Planned Parenthood and requests to defund them, then excellent! While you're eating your peanut butter, are you going to stop worrying about what Planned Parenthood is doing with government or private donor money, or are you going to continue thinking of ways to attack them?