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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone watched this? Really good documentary analyzing white privilege and bringing young white people into discussions about race.

'A new documentary from by MTV titled "White People" asks white millennials to take a closer look at how they view race. "I don't think we can have a conversation about race in America anymore and not include white people in the conversation," said journalist Jose Antonio Vargas, who produced the film. How can we have conversations about race that are both welcoming and honest? What are your most meaningful conversations about race, and who were they with? What circumstances fostered them, and what did you learn?'
http://www.lookdifferent.org/videos/113-white-people

More "white" bashing. We have moved from a society that shamed blacks for the color of their skin to one which now shames whites. Will we never learn?

Not quite. Claiming that we're "shaming" whites is right up there with claiming that we're persecuting Christians in the US.

There's a significant difference between trying to get whites to understand how aspects of our society work (or don't) for minorities / getting whites to recognizes the advantages in our society to being white and trying to shame whites for being white. The most basic difference is the conversation about interaction with law enforcement that black families have with their sons versus white families. If you grew up being told, "If you need help, go to the police, you can trust them. If a policeman stops you for something, don't worry. Just answer his questions." then odds are you're white.

. Blah, blah, blah...if you are white, not matter what the circumstances of birth your life is a bed of roses and if you are black, life sucks. Nonsense, skin color shaming, of any kind has got to stop. Racism flourishes under shaming if any race.

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So lame and tiresome!

+2000
Enough, already.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a white girl that never got any white privilege. I WANT SOME NOW !!

Yes. You fucking did.

I am a white girl too. 1st in my family to attend college. grandparents came to the US from a backwater town in Italy in the 50s, practically illiterate, dad's parents came as kids. My family still things just going to college equals having been a success. They worked blue collar jobs and still do to build lives from their initial "nest egg" of a few hundred dollars (total!). I was not "privileged" in most any sense, but guess what? I did benefit from being white because I never had to think about shit that people of color routinely have to think about growing up. There is shit I KNOW I am not even aware of that I am sure plenty of women of color take for granted as something to be considered.

Poor as shit white people in America benefit from being white. Period.

lol! You have no clue, Italiana!

Tell that to my grandfather, dad and uncle - all stonemasons (immigrants) working in the South - who were turned away from diners b/c they were "black."

white privilege, my Southern Italian ass

Go study your history on our people in the US. See how the Southern Italians were treated like shit b/c of skin color.

PP never said she was S. Italian like you.

Besides, it is not news that Italians, just like the Irish and other European immigrants, were not exactly welcome here. But with time they were accepted as whites. Italians were not subject to institutional racism and discrimination like the Chinese (Chinese Exclusion Act) and Japanese. (WWII camps). They were not prohibited from voting, like African-Americans.

I don't think you feel discriminated against today because of your Italian heritage, do you?

You never heard of Italian internment camps, I guess. My mother's uncle was in one during WWII. Friends have shared their stories with me, too.

The point is this - that ALL minorities (those considered minorities during specific time periods) faced discrimination. no different from any group today - who's either being persecuted or trying to escape poverty - attempting to enter the US

My entire family lived in poverty in Italy. Many made millions here - millions - through trades b/c they worked their asses off. They didn't know English. My father, in fact, learned English by watching television. They broke their backs doing manual labor - bricklayer, stonemason - and yet built some of the most beautiful structures in the DC metro area, including their own homes.

Can I compare their lives to those of slaves? absolutely not - I recognize the difference. We destroyed the family unit of those being forced from their African nations. And those actions still haunt today's African Americans. I get that.

But tbh, I'm tired of the whining. I'm tired of people playing victims. I'm sick of feeling sorry for everyone. I can't begin to tell you how many social programs are added to schools in order to level the playing field. But until people own their problems, no program/no dollar amount will magically erase these issues.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone watched this? Really good documentary analyzing white privilege and bringing young white people into discussions about race.

'A new documentary from by MTV titled "White People" asks white millennials to take a closer look at how they view race. "I don't think we can have a conversation about race in America anymore and not include white people in the conversation," said journalist Jose Antonio Vargas, who produced the film. How can we have conversations about race that are both welcoming and honest? What are your most meaningful conversations about race, and who were they with? What circumstances fostered them, and what did you learn?'
http://www.lookdifferent.org/videos/113-white-people

More "white" bashing. We have moved from a society that shamed blacks for the color of their skin to one which now shames whites. Will we never learn?

Not quite. Claiming that we're "shaming" whites is right up there with claiming that we're persecuting Christians in the US.

There's a significant difference between trying to get whites to understand how aspects of our society work (or don't) for minorities / getting whites to recognizes the advantages in our society to being white and trying to shame whites for being white. The most basic difference is the conversation about interaction with law enforcement that black families have with their sons versus white families. If you grew up being told, "If you need help, go to the police, you can trust them. If a policeman stops you for something, don't worry. Just answer his questions." then odds are you're white.

Except not all white people are the same are they. I'm not white and I grew up hearing those things.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a white girl that never got any white privilege. I WANT SOME NOW !!

Yes. You fucking did.

I am a white girl too. 1st in my family to attend college. grandparents came to the US from a backwater town in Italy in the 50s, practically illiterate, dad's parents came as kids. My family still things just going to college equals having been a success. They worked blue collar jobs and still do to build lives from their initial "nest egg" of a few hundred dollars (total!). I was not "privileged" in most any sense, but guess what? I did benefit from being white because I never had to think about shit that people of color routinely have to think about growing up. There is shit I KNOW I am not even aware of that I am sure plenty of women of color take for granted as something to be considered.

Poor as shit white people in America benefit from being white. Period.

lol! You have no clue, Italiana!

Tell that to my grandfather, dad and uncle - all stonemasons (immigrants) working in the South - who were turned away from diners b/c they were "black."

white privilege, my Southern Italian ass

Go study your history on our people in the US. See how the Southern Italians were treated like shit b/c of skin color.

PP never said she was S. Italian like you.

Besides, it is not news that Italians, just like the Irish and other European immigrants, were not exactly welcome here. But with time they were accepted as whites. Italians were not subject to institutional racism and discrimination like the Chinese (Chinese Exclusion Act) and Japanese. (WWII camps). They were not prohibited from voting, like African-Americans.

I don't think you feel discriminated against today because of your Italian heritage, do you?

You raise an interesting point that is unlikely to be well-considered in such a contentious thread. With time and changed attitudes, Italians (and other minorities) became accepted (by and large; there are still some older models who've yet to take their prejudices to the grave). You say "you don't feel discriminated against today..." as if that means it's all okay now. As if the disadvantages of one's ancestors having been discriminated against are now to be overlooked.

Apply this same logic to other groups, particularly those who are still experiencing discrimination. Do you make the same argument? Does the evolving attitude toward black people (which is by no means "evolved" or as accepting as, say, that toward Italians at present) now warrant a forgiving/forgetting of the disadvantages of the past? Will it at some point? If so, when? If not, do we apply the same "your ancestors got a raw deal" mentality to all groups that have been socially disadvantaged throughout history? Why or why not?

I know that nuanced discussion isn't likely to get a productive answer in a format like this, but it's an interesting point to ponder.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone watched this? Really good documentary analyzing white privilege and bringing young white people into discussions about race.

'A new documentary from by MTV titled "White People" asks white millennials to take a closer look at how they view race. "I don't think we can have a conversation about race in America anymore and not include white people in the conversation," said journalist Jose Antonio Vargas, who produced the film. How can we have conversations about race that are both welcoming and honest? What are your most meaningful conversations about race, and who were they with? What circumstances fostered them, and what did you learn?'
http://www.lookdifferent.org/videos/113-white-people

More "white" bashing. We have moved from a society that shamed blacks for the color of their skin to one which now shames whites. Will we never learn?

Not quite. Claiming that we're "shaming" whites is right up there with claiming that we're persecuting Christians in the US.

There's a significant difference between trying to get whites to understand how aspects of our society work (or don't) for minorities / getting whites to recognizes the advantages in our society to being white and trying to shame whites for being white. The most basic difference is the conversation about interaction with law enforcement that black families have with their sons versus white families. If you grew up being told, "If you need help, go to the police, you can trust them. If a policeman stops you for something, don't worry. Just answer his questions." then odds are you're white.

. Blah, blah, blah...if you are white, not matter what the circumstances of birth your life is a bed of roses and if you are black, life sucks. Nonsense, skin color shaming, of any kind has got to stop. Racism flourishes under shaming if any race.

No one said being white is a bed of roses. The pp said that being white means you don't have to have "the talk." I'd say that was a privilege!

It is also a fallacy. Many white people do have the talk. I'm sick and tired of blacks acting like they're the only ones that need to be careful.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone watched this? Really good documentary analyzing white privilege and bringing young white people into discussions about race.

'A new documentary from by MTV titled "White People" asks white millennials to take a closer look at how they view race. "I don't think we can have a conversation about race in America anymore and not include white people in the conversation," said journalist Jose Antonio Vargas, who produced the film. How can we have conversations about race that are both welcoming and honest? What are your most meaningful conversations about race, and who were they with? What circumstances fostered them, and what did you learn?'
http://www.lookdifferent.org/videos/113-white-people

More "white" bashing. We have moved from a society that shamed blacks for the color of their skin to one which now shames whites. Will we never learn?

So you haven't even bothered to watch the first few minutes of the film.

Why should we watch a movie about how we SUPPOSEDLY think?

nah

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a white girl that never got any white privilege. I WANT SOME NOW !!

Me, too! I was the ultrapoor kid from the wrong side of the tracks with an alcoholic father and a mentally ill mother who was also an extreme hoarder. My white skin didn't save me from any of that...

Imagine that, on top of that, you were black. Really dark, black. Do you really think you would have had the same doors open for you in life?

The older doors that were open to me are those that I opened myself. No one opened anything for me. In fact, my high school counselor told me that people like me don't go to college.

you lack of awareness is insane... please look up what privilege actually is before you continue to argue with false information. This is just not how this works, and it is so tiring.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a white girl that never got any white privilege. I WANT SOME NOW !!

Me, too! I was the ultrapoor kid from the wrong side of the tracks with an alcoholic father and a mentally ill mother who was also an extreme hoarder. My white skin didn't save me from any of that...

You are both come across as uneducated individuals... obviously neither of you understand the concept of privilege. Nor do the morons who think it is shaming, or a tool to make the white man feel guilty. So ugly, a thread about discussion and you are all so full of privilege that you can't even see what nasty jerks you sound like.

being aware of your privilege is being aware that you don't know what it is like to be black in America. Not any of the other things people on this thread would like you to believe, you are part of the problem and why decent discussion seems so far out of our reach.

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Anonymous wrote:This threads is just a small example of why conversations about race can't progress and move forward toward reconciliation. Black and brown people are mad and want to be heard and white people don't care because they are just fine -- despite the tangible and non-tangible benefits many received via redlining and so on -- and so why should they talk/think/care about this?

'Murica man.

The "Murica" reference justnkakesmyounsoundmlike an idiot. In any event, when everything becomes a "micro-aggression" and whites are held accountable for actions they didn't commit, when every success or failure is deemed a result of race, etc., you burn people out and they cease to hear the message.

But the problem remains: Micro-aggressions are real; the 'Murica culture is real.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone watched this? Really good documentary analyzing white privilege and bringing young white people into discussions about race.

'A new documentary from by MTV titled "White People" asks white millennials to take a closer look at how they view race. "I don't think we can have a conversation about race in America anymore and not include white people in the conversation," said journalist Jose Antonio Vargas, who produced the film. How can we have conversations about race that are both welcoming and honest? What are your most meaningful conversations about race, and who were they with? What circumstances fostered them, and what did you learn?'
http://www.lookdifferent.org/videos/113-white-people

More "white" bashing. We have moved from a society that shamed blacks for the color of their skin to one which now shames whites. Will we never learn?

Not quite. Claiming that we're "shaming" whites is right up there with claiming that we're persecuting Christians in the US.

There's a significant difference between trying to get whites to understand how aspects of our society work (or don't) for minorities / getting whites to recognizes the advantages in our society to being white and trying to shame whites for being white. The most basic difference is the conversation about interaction with law enforcement that black families have with their sons versus white families. If you grew up being told, "If you need help, go to the police, you can trust them. If a policeman stops you for something, don't worry. Just answer his questions." then odds are you're white.

. Blah, blah, blah...if you are white, not matter what the circumstances of birth your life is a bed of roses and if you are black, life sucks. Nonsense, skin color shaming, of any kind has got to stop. Racism flourishes under shaming if any race.

+1000


So lame and tiresome!

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a white girl that never got any white privilege. I WANT SOME NOW !!

Me, too! I was the ultrapoor kid from the wrong side of the tracks with an alcoholic father and a mentally ill mother who was also an extreme hoarder. My white skin didn't save me from any of that...

Imagine that, on top of that, you were black. Really dark, black. Do you really think you would have had the same doors open for you in life?

The older doors that were open to me are those that I opened myself. No one opened anything for me. In fact, my high school counselor told me that people like me don't go to college.

You truly lack imagination and awareness.

But I'm glad you proved your counselor wrong and you persevered despite hardship - good for you. No snark.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a white girl that never got any white privilege. I WANT SOME NOW !!

Me, too! I was the ultrapoor kid from the wrong side of the tracks with an alcoholic father and a mentally ill mother who was also an extreme hoarder. My white skin didn't save me from any of that...

Imagine that, on top of that, you were black. Really dark, black. Do you really think you would have had the same doors open for you in life?

The older doors that were open to me are those that I opened myself. No one opened anything for me. In fact, my high school counselor told me that people like me don't go to college.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a white girl that never got any white privilege. I WANT SOME NOW !!

Yes. You fucking did.

I am a white girl too. 1st in my family to attend college. grandparents came to the US from a backwater town in Italy in the 50s, practically illiterate, dad's parents came as kids. My family still things just going to college equals having been a success. They worked blue collar jobs and still do to build lives from their initial "nest egg" of a few hundred dollars (total!). I was not "privileged" in most any sense, but guess what? I did benefit from being white because I never had to think about shit that people of color routinely have to think about growing up. There is shit I KNOW I am not even aware of that I am sure plenty of women of color take for granted as something to be considered.

Poor as shit white people in America benefit from being white. Period.

lol! You have no clue, Italiana!

Tell that to my grandfather, dad and uncle - all stonemasons (immigrants) working in the South - who were turned away from diners b/c they were "black."

white privilege, my Southern Italian ass

Go study your history on our people in the US. See how the Southern Italians were treated like shit b/c of skin color.

PP never said she was S. Italian like you.

Besides, it is not news that Italians, just like the Irish and other European immigrants, were not exactly welcome here. But with time they were accepted as whites. Italians were not subject to institutional racism and discrimination like the Chinese (Chinese Exclusion Act) and Japanese. (WWII camps). They were not prohibited from voting, like African-Americans.

I don't think you feel discriminated against today because of your Italian heritage, do you?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a white girl that never got any white privilege. I WANT SOME NOW !!

Yes. You fucking did.

I am a white girl too. 1st in my family to attend college. grandparents came to the US from a backwater town in Italy in the 50s, practically illiterate, dad's parents came as kids. My family still things just going to college equals having been a success. They worked blue collar jobs and still do to build lives from their initial "nest egg" of a few hundred dollars (total!). I was not "privileged" in most any sense, but guess what? I did benefit from being white because I never had to think about shit that people of color routinely have to think about growing up. There is shit I KNOW I am not even aware of that I am sure plenty of women of color take for granted as something to be considered.

Poor as shit white people in America benefit from being white. Period.

lol! You have no clue, Italiana!

Tell that to my grandfather, dad and uncle - all stonemasons (immigrants) working in the South - who were turned away from diners b/c they were "black."

white privilege, my Southern Italian ass

Go study your history on our people in the US. See how the Southern Italians were treated like shit b/c of skin color.

Anonymous wrote:I'm a white girl that never got any white privilege. I WANT SOME NOW !!

your privilege was that whenever you failed, you had no one to blame but yourself.