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Post 05/27/2015 20:48     Subject: Re:Puzzling "Stand Off" In Relationship (Not-Married)
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Only someone who is nouveau riche could have your worldview. The difference between us is pretty obvious to me now. I grew up wealthy. My father's father made plenty. It's called old money. We are therefore able to pursue a luxury career (something prestigious and enjoyable). Sure I make less than many guys who own plumbing businesses. But you don't see a lot of men who are owners of plumbing businesses in the New York Times wedding section. Sure do see a lot of PhDs tho!


Wow. You really are a massive fucking loser.


you resort to personal attack because you can't defeat the argument. clear i got under your skin because i have a way with the written joust.


Do you have aspergers? This is an honest question, not meant to be mean.


Not at all. I just am good at arguing. People try to deflect, get personal, etc. I stick on points of debate. Facts. Ruthless about it. Annoys people, who prefer to reason/argue based on emotion.


Honey, I'm sorry to burst the bubble, but you havent been emotionless, or stayed on point.

In fact, you managed to navigate people questioning about your self-reported under-earning to a discussion of your parents' achievements and being from "old money". That is not the point you asked about, which is why hasnt your GF dumped you yet.

You also seem to be really easy to ruffle and rile up. You get *noticeably* offended when people accuse your GF of being more successful than you.

It's almost sad, because you sound like a guy who went into this post hoping for some kind of validation and now you are spitting out the most irrelevant info about your parents' country club (??????) and it's just a clusterfuck.


Anyone who uses the terminology honey isn't what I'd call particularly cultured. I'm guessing you say "hubby" too =)


I was trying to be kind, because you seem to be in a fragile emotional state ATM.


Not fragile at all. Annoyed with trolling PPs. I can't be that upset. I'm literally stocking away 80% of a six-figure income each month into 401k since I have zero housing costs.
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Post 05/27/2015 20:46     Subject: Re:Puzzling "Stand Off" In Relationship (Not-Married)
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You let me know when you win a prize for acting on broadway, and then I will be impressed. By the way, at that point, you would be earning way more than you are.

Your parents' club? So you are 33 and cant even afford the (heavily reduced) entrance fee given to legacies? That's pretty fucking sad, dont you think? Surely theyre a bit embarrassed that at your age you still have to sponge off their membership.


Pretty weak reply. Yep, I'm not Bob Putnam yet. But I'm 33. He's nearly 70. And you don't know what stage I'm at in my prestigious career. You also don't know whether I have a legacy membership. Why would I mention that. Only nouveau riche folks talk about which clubs they are members at. Seriously you very little about me other than:

1) I'm over 6 feet tall
2) I have multiple degrees from top-20 schools
3) Make 6 figures
4) Am 33




I know you are still calling it your "parents club" which pretty much says it all.

I dont mean to be a bitch, but you asked for it. Here's what I DO know about you:
1) You are fat and have been fatter
2) You are earning a very small amount, given the fact that you have been given the luxury and opportunity to get multiple graduate degrees
3) Make 1/4 as much as your partner
4) Are 33
5) Have serious issues with social skills, given the (quite frankly, bizarre) tone of your posts
6) Seem to have some sort of delusion that your parents' achievements will somehow be passed down to you, and give you a pass for an extremely mediocre career.


Again very weak. There are people who have PhD's from Stanford that make less than 100k. You do realize this. They aren't dumb. They are self-selecting a particular career. Poets, for example, aren't likely to make more than the guy who owns Papa Johns. Would you rather meet Yeats or John Schnatter at a cocktail party? Seriously, weird PP. Oh the tone of my posts? You're the one trolling me about my gf's business and my income which had ZERO to do with the main question asked in this thread. You couldn't defeat my arguments about prestige versus paystubs. You dodge and deflect every argument. And for all you know my gf could be 35 lbs overweight. You have very little info.



I guess there's book smarts and street smarts.

If we lived in Regency England, coming from old money and going to university would be a huge achievement.

But we live in the United States, where earned income, if we are "success bragging", which you seem keen to do, is the measure of a man.

And you just cant compete on that level.

If people, like myself, think that makes you a loser, and you dont like it, work to change it.

Because droning on and on about Top 20 schools is not going to change the cold hard facts.


You're killing me because you can't stay on point. I didn't start this thread to talk about my lineage, my line of degrees, my income. I did try and give some brief info about my biography for context. I.e., that gf and I are similar in attractiveness, that I have more education, she makes a bigger income FOR CONTEXT. It really doesn't bother me that she makes more, and it certainly has never hurt my dating life. Again, unless you live in a very narrow nouveau riche mindset, men with top-20 degrees, over 6 foot, who make over 6 figures at age 33 don't have a hard time getting dates. For some odd reason you decided to troll me. As PP's have pointed out, I asked a reasonable question about why my girlfriend would stay in the current situation. I don't remember me being the one to force the conversation outside of that realm of theorizing. I only got into that and got nasty when others went for personal attacks. Your comments on my income versus hers do NOTHING to theorize why she's currently in the relationship. In fact, everything you keep pointing out simply contradicts why she would stay. I.e., you're undermining a plausible theory as to why.
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Post 05/27/2015 20:44     Subject: Re:Puzzling "Stand Off" In Relationship (Not-Married)
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Only someone who is nouveau riche could have your worldview. The difference between us is pretty obvious to me now. I grew up wealthy. My father's father made plenty. It's called old money. We are therefore able to pursue a luxury career (something prestigious and enjoyable). Sure I make less than many guys who own plumbing businesses. But you don't see a lot of men who are owners of plumbing businesses in the New York Times wedding section. Sure do see a lot of PhDs tho!


Wow. You really are a massive fucking loser.


you resort to personal attack because you can't defeat the argument. clear i got under your skin because i have a way with the written joust.


Do you have aspergers? This is an honest question, not meant to be mean.


Not at all. I just am good at arguing. People try to deflect, get personal, etc. I stick on points of debate. Facts. Ruthless about it. Annoys people, who prefer to reason/argue based on emotion.


Honey, I'm sorry to burst the bubble, but you havent been emotionless, or stayed on point.

In fact, you managed to navigate people questioning about your self-reported under-earning to a discussion of your parents' achievements and being from "old money". That is not the point you asked about, which is why hasnt your GF dumped you yet.

You also seem to be really easy to ruffle and rile up. You get *noticeably* offended when people accuse your GF of being more successful than you.

It's almost sad, because you sound like a guy who went into this post hoping for some kind of validation and now you are spitting out the most irrelevant info about your parents' country club (??????) and it's just a clusterfuck.


Anyone who uses the terminology honey isn't what I'd call particularly cultured. I'm guessing you say "hubby" too =)


I was trying to be kind, because you seem to be in a fragile emotional state ATM.
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Post 05/27/2015 20:42     Subject: Re:Puzzling "Stand Off" In Relationship (Not-Married)
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You let me know when you win a prize for acting on broadway, and then I will be impressed. By the way, at that point, you would be earning way more than you are.

Your parents' club? So you are 33 and cant even afford the (heavily reduced) entrance fee given to legacies? That's pretty fucking sad, dont you think? Surely theyre a bit embarrassed that at your age you still have to sponge off their membership.


Pretty weak reply. Yep, I'm not Bob Putnam yet. But I'm 33. He's nearly 70. And you don't know what stage I'm at in my prestigious career. You also don't know whether I have a legacy membership. Why would I mention that. Only nouveau riche folks talk about which clubs they are members at. Seriously you very little about me other than:

1) I'm over 6 feet tall
2) I have multiple degrees from top-20 schools
3) Make 6 figures
4) Am 33




I know you are still calling it your "parents club" which pretty much says it all.

I dont mean to be a bitch, but you asked for it. Here's what I DO know about you:
1) You are fat and have been fatter
2) You are earning a very small amount, given the fact that you have been given the luxury and opportunity to get multiple graduate degrees
3) Make 1/4 as much as your partner
4) Are 33
5) Have serious issues with social skills, given the (quite frankly, bizarre) tone of your posts
6) Seem to have some sort of delusion that your parents' achievements will somehow be passed down to you, and give you a pass for an extremely mediocre career.


Again very weak. There are people who have PhD's from Stanford that make less than 100k. You do realize this. They aren't dumb. They are self-selecting a particular career. Poets, for example, aren't likely to make more than the guy who owns Papa Johns. Would you rather meet Yeats or John Schnatter at a cocktail party? Seriously, weird PP. Oh the tone of my posts? You're the one trolling me about my gf's business and my income which had ZERO to do with the main question asked in this thread. You couldn't defeat my arguments about prestige versus paystubs. You dodge and deflect every argument. And for all you know my gf could be 35 lbs overweight. You have very little info.



I guess there's book smarts and street smarts.

If we lived in Regency England, coming from old money and going to university would be a huge achievement.

But we live in the United States, where earned income, if we are "success bragging", which you seem keen to do, is the measure of a man.

And you just cant compete on that level.

If people, like myself, think that makes you a loser, and you dont like it, work to change it.

Because droning on and on about Top 20 schools is not going to change the cold hard facts.
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Post 05/27/2015 20:41     Subject: Re:Puzzling "Stand Off" In Relationship (Not-Married)
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Only someone who is nouveau riche could have your worldview. The difference between us is pretty obvious to me now. I grew up wealthy. My father's father made plenty. It's called old money. We are therefore able to pursue a luxury career (something prestigious and enjoyable). Sure I make less than many guys who own plumbing businesses. But you don't see a lot of men who are owners of plumbing businesses in the New York Times wedding section. Sure do see a lot of PhDs tho!


Wow. You really are a massive fucking loser.


you resort to personal attack because you can't defeat the argument. clear i got under your skin because i have a way with the written joust.


Do you have aspergers? This is an honest question, not meant to be mean.


Not at all. I just am good at arguing. People try to deflect, get personal, etc. I stick on points of debate. Facts. Ruthless about it. Annoys people, who prefer to reason/argue based on emotion.


Honey, I'm sorry to burst the bubble, but you havent been emotionless, or stayed on point.

In fact, you managed to navigate people questioning about your self-reported under-earning to a discussion of your parents' achievements and being from "old money". That is not the point you asked about, which is why hasnt your GF dumped you yet.

You also seem to be really easy to ruffle and rile up. You get *noticeably* offended when people accuse your GF of being more successful than you.

It's almost sad, because you sound like a guy who went into this post hoping for some kind of validation and now you are spitting out the most irrelevant info about your parents' country club (??????) and it's just a clusterfuck.


Anyone who uses the terminology honey isn't what I'd call particularly cultured. I'm guessing you say "hubby" too =)
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Post 05/27/2015 20:40     Subject: Re:Puzzling "Stand Off" In Relationship (Not-Married)
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You let me know when you win a prize for acting on broadway, and then I will be impressed. By the way, at that point, you would be earning way more than you are.

Your parents' club? So you are 33 and cant even afford the (heavily reduced) entrance fee given to legacies? That's pretty fucking sad, dont you think? Surely theyre a bit embarrassed that at your age you still have to sponge off their membership.


Pretty weak reply. Yep, I'm not Bob Putnam yet. But I'm 33. He's nearly 70. And you don't know what stage I'm at in my prestigious career. You also don't know whether I have a legacy membership. Why would I mention that. Only nouveau riche folks talk about which clubs they are members at. Seriously you very little about me other than:

1) I'm over 6 feet tall
2) I have multiple degrees from top-20 schools
3) Make 6 figures
4) Am 33




I know you are still calling it your "parents club" which pretty much says it all.

I dont mean to be a bitch, but you asked for it. Here's what I DO know about you:
1) You are fat and have been fatter
2) You are earning a very small amount, given the fact that you have been given the luxury and opportunity to get multiple graduate degrees
3) Make 1/4 as much as your partner
4) Are 33
5) Have serious issues with social skills, given the (quite frankly, bizarre) tone of your posts
6) Seem to have some sort of delusion that your parents' achievements will somehow be passed down to you, and give you a pass for an extremely mediocre career.


Again very weak. There are people who have PhD's from Stanford that make less than 100k. You do realize this. They aren't dumb. They are self-selecting a particular career. Poets, for example, aren't likely to make more than the guy who owns Papa Johns. Would you rather meet Yeats or John Schnatter at a cocktail party? Seriously, weird PP. Oh the tone of my posts? You're the one trolling me about my gf's business and my income which had ZERO to do with the main question asked in this thread. You couldn't defeat my arguments about prestige versus paystubs. You dodge and deflect every argument. And for all you know my gf could be 35 lbs overweight. You have very little info.
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Post 05/27/2015 20:39     Subject: Re:Puzzling "Stand Off" In Relationship (Not-Married)
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Only someone who is nouveau riche could have your worldview. The difference between us is pretty obvious to me now. I grew up wealthy. My father's father made plenty. It's called old money. We are therefore able to pursue a luxury career (something prestigious and enjoyable). Sure I make less than many guys who own plumbing businesses. But you don't see a lot of men who are owners of plumbing businesses in the New York Times wedding section. Sure do see a lot of PhDs tho!


Wow. You really are a massive fucking loser.


you resort to personal attack because you can't defeat the argument. clear i got under your skin because i have a way with the written joust.


Do you have aspergers? This is an honest question, not meant to be mean.


Not at all. I just am good at arguing. People try to deflect, get personal, etc. I stick on points of debate. Facts. Ruthless about it. Annoys people, who prefer to reason/argue based on emotion.


Honey, I'm sorry to burst the bubble, but you havent been emotionless, or stayed on point.

In fact, you managed to navigate people questioning about your self-reported under-earning to a discussion of your parents' achievements and being from "old money". That is not the point you asked about, which is why hasnt your GF dumped you yet.

You also seem to be really easy to ruffle and rile up. You get *noticeably* offended when people accuse your GF of being more successful than you.

It's almost sad, because you sound like a guy who went into this post hoping for some kind of validation and now you are spitting out the most irrelevant info about your parents' country club (??????) and it's just a clusterfuck.
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Post 05/27/2015 20:37     Subject: Re:Puzzling "Stand Off" In Relationship (Not-Married)
OP again here. Other than the 1 d-bag who tried, I emphasize *tried*, to have a personal argument with me in this thread, I just don't get the reaction. I'm not looking for your approval in this thread or keen relationship advice. Just looking for the main theory as to why gf continues with the status quo. Very few quality answers. A few. I think whoever said inertia made some sense. In any event, thread has been jacked, so I doubt little theorizing with actual contributions to my questions will be raised. Instead, bitter old hags who want to believe a near-40 year old woman who wants natural kids has nothing to lose by continuing in a relationship that is off course want to debate my income.
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Post 05/27/2015 20:36     Subject: Re:Puzzling "Stand Off" In Relationship (Not-Married)
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You let me know when you win a prize for acting on broadway, and then I will be impressed. By the way, at that point, you would be earning way more than you are.

Your parents' club? So you are 33 and cant even afford the (heavily reduced) entrance fee given to legacies? That's pretty fucking sad, dont you think? Surely theyre a bit embarrassed that at your age you still have to sponge off their membership.


Pretty weak reply. Yep, I'm not Bob Putnam yet. But I'm 33. He's nearly 70. And you don't know what stage I'm at in my prestigious career. You also don't know whether I have a legacy membership. Why would I mention that. Only nouveau riche folks talk about which clubs they are members at. Seriously you very little about me other than:

1) I'm over 6 feet tall
2) I have multiple degrees from top-20 schools
3) Make 6 figures
4) Am 33




I know you are still calling it your "parents club" which pretty much says it all.

I dont mean to be a bitch, but you asked for it. Here's what I DO know about you:
1) You are fat and have been fatter
2) You are earning a very small amount, given the fact that you have been given the luxury and opportunity to get multiple graduate degrees
3) Make 1/4 as much as your partner
4) Are 33
5) Have serious issues with social skills, given the (quite frankly, bizarre) tone of your posts
6) Seem to have some sort of delusion that your parents' achievements will somehow be passed down to you, and give you a pass for an extremely mediocre career.
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Post 05/27/2015 20:35     Subject: Re:Puzzling "Stand Off" In Relationship (Not-Married)
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You let me know when you win a prize for acting on broadway, and then I will be impressed. By the way, at that point, you would be earning way more than you are.

Your parents' club? So you are 33 and cant even afford the (heavily reduced) entrance fee given to legacies? That's pretty fucking sad, dont you think? Surely theyre a bit embarrassed that at your age you still have to sponge off their membership.


Pretty weak reply. Yep, I'm not Bob Putnam yet. But I'm 33. He's nearly 70. And you don't know what stage I'm at in my prestigious career. You also don't know whether I have a legacy membership. Why would I mention that. Only nouveau riche folks talk about which clubs they are members at. Seriously you very little about me other than:

1) I'm over 6 feet tall
2) I have multiple degrees from top-20 schools
3) Make 6 figures
4) Am 33




Oh and I still have 10lbs to lose! =)
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Post 05/27/2015 20:34     Subject: Re:Puzzling "Stand Off" In Relationship (Not-Married)
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Only someone who is nouveau riche could have your worldview. The difference between us is pretty obvious to me now. I grew up wealthy. My father's father made plenty. It's called old money. We are therefore able to pursue a luxury career (something prestigious and enjoyable). Sure I make less than many guys who own plumbing businesses. But you don't see a lot of men who are owners of plumbing businesses in the New York Times wedding section. Sure do see a lot of PhDs tho!


Wow. You really are a massive fucking loser.


you resort to personal attack because you can't defeat the argument. clear i got under your skin because i have a way with the written joust.


Do you have aspergers? This is an honest question, not meant to be mean.


Not at all. I just am good at arguing. People try to deflect, get personal, etc. I stick on points of debate. Facts. Ruthless about it. Annoys people, who prefer to reason/argue based on emotion.
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Post 05/27/2015 20:33     Subject: Re:Puzzling "Stand Off" In Relationship (Not-Married)


You let me know when you win a prize for acting on broadway, and then I will be impressed. By the way, at that point, you would be earning way more than you are.

Your parents' club? So you are 33 and cant even afford the (heavily reduced) entrance fee given to legacies? That's pretty fucking sad, dont you think? Surely theyre a bit embarrassed that at your age you still have to sponge off their membership.


Pretty weak reply. Yep, I'm not Bob Putnam yet. But I'm 33. He's nearly 70. And you don't know what stage I'm at in my prestigious career. You also don't know whether I have a legacy membership. Why would I mention that. Only nouveau riche folks talk about which clubs they are members at. Seriously you very little about me other than:

1) I'm over 6 feet tall
2) I have multiple degrees from top-20 schools
3) Make 6 figures
4) Am 33


Anonymous
Post 05/27/2015 20:33     Subject: Puzzling "Stand Off" In Relationship (Not-Married)
I think I'm getting the full picture of why this lady doesn't want to marry OP. Jesus.
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Post 05/27/2015 20:31     Subject: Re:Puzzling "Stand Off" In Relationship (Not-Married)
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Only someone who is nouveau riche could have your worldview. The difference between us is pretty obvious to me now. I grew up wealthy. My father's father made plenty. It's called old money. We are therefore able to pursue a luxury career (something prestigious and enjoyable). Sure I make less than many guys who own plumbing businesses. But you don't see a lot of men who are owners of plumbing businesses in the New York Times wedding section. Sure do see a lot of PhDs tho!


Wow. You really are a massive fucking loser.


you resort to personal attack because you can't defeat the argument. clear i got under your skin because i have a way with the written joust.


Do you have aspergers? This is an honest question, not meant to be mean.
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Post 05/27/2015 20:30     Subject: Re:Puzzling "Stand Off" In Relationship (Not-Married)
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Anonymous wrote:OP again. I want to clear one thing up. I'm not a starving artist. I'm successful. My income places me in the top 10-15 percent nationally. My job status is very high (graduate degrees from top-10 private universities). Not bragging either. Just don't want people getting the wrong impression. She only has a BA, but did well opening a small biz. So she makes 3-4x my salary. But it's not like I'm doing stand up at a club and waiting tables ppl.

As for other poster who asked about my appearance. I was 30lbs overweight (she's also gained). I've lost 20 of those lbs. I'm over 6' so I carry it okay. Again, I don't want ppl not seeing this for what it is. We're both equal in looks. She has an income edge. I have a status/degree edge in terms of intellectual achievements.

Eh, 30 lbs overweight by what standard? People carry weight differently and even a guy who is "normal weight" is certainly not what I would consider to be hot. Especially if you dont have any muscles.

Also, it's even funnier that she outearns you by such a margin and yet only has a BA and you have a ton of graduate degrees. Kind of hilarious actually.

This lady sounds like a smart cookie. Can you tell us about her business? I am kind of intrigued by her.


Wait, which side are you on? I'm getting confused. One person on here says she's keeping me around because I'm some sort of young hot stallion. To you, I'm a loser because I am 10lbs overweight and only barely make 6 figures. LOL. This is too funny. What does her biz have to do with the main question at hand? Do I look like I'm here to give my gf's biz advice. You're weird. The main question is why isn't she focused on bettering her situation. Even your theory would suggest she should, right? If she's clearly out of my league, why am I living rent free lol?


Was this just like a stream of consciousness word vomit type of thing?


Nope. There are points in there that are directly related to the thread. Would you prefer a math equation to make those points =)


Maybe you're just socially challenged then...


Okay, let's try again then.

You made the following claim/support: gf has higher sex-market value than I do
Which would seem to suggest... that gf should leave me
But gf has not left me...
Other posters have claimed gf wants to keep me around because I'm young and help her keep up relationship appearances
Which conflicts with your point that gf has > sex market value than I do
So we have diff posters with diff theories
Few theories hold up to the evidence here



Well, women almost always have a higher value on the sexual market.

What other posters are saying is irrelevant- I'm telling you that you losing 20 pounds from your fat body does not make you a hot young thing.

And she may still want to keep you around, because you provide some kind of value to her, even if it's not hotness.

Again, I would love to hear about her business. It may not be why you are on this thread but at this point you have to accept that your GF sounds much more interesting and accomplished than you.


You insult me and then ask me for her business advice? And then claim I'm the one without social IQ. Irony! What'd I'd rather know is what my value is to her then. You have no well-developed theory on that.


LOL. I'm not asking you for business advise, hunty. Realize that, from how you've described yourself thus far, you are pretty much the last person I would want business (or career) advice from.

I was actually asking you to mention what field she's in, but clearly you find that offensive (probably emasculating) and thus are refusing to do it. Whatever. Your GF is the most interesting thing about you.


You don't know anything about me. For all you know I have a PhD in romance languages from Yale and have published 4 books with Cambridge Press. She might sell medical devices. Most people, including the New York Times, would find my career more interesting. Typical low-brow folk on DCUM who think a 4 bedroom house in Chevy Chase is a wet dream might find the 400k made on medical devices more interesting... Get some breadth.


Bahaha. She outearns you, bruh.

You may think your career is more prestigious than hers because you have more degrees, but I think most people would say the opposite. She's the one who's smart enough to make a shit ton of money with just a bachelors. Meanwhile you have all the degrees money can buy, and barely make a fourth of her income. That's pretty sad, dude.

Sorry, but she is more of a success, by objective measures. WAY more of one, actually. She not only flays you in the earning arena, but she did it without the advantage of having upper level degrees.

Time to take an honest look in the mirror. Just keep some tissues nearby for when you do.


Only someone who is nouveau riche could have your worldview. The difference between us is pretty obvious to me now. I grew up wealthy. My father's father made plenty. It's called old money. We are therefore able to pursue a luxury career (something prestigious and enjoyable). Sure I make less than many guys who own plumbing businesses. But you don't see a lot of men who are owners of plumbing businesses in the New York Times wedding section. Sure do see a lot of PhDs tho!


You dont see a lot of people who are earning barely 6 figures in the NYT wedding section, either. You better hope your sugar mama makes a big enough bonus to make up for your lack of earning.

Guess what? I'm old money too. And it's no excuse to slack off, or to try to convince yourself youre a success when the reality is that youve had every advantage in the world and still cant really compete when it comes down to pure earnings.

My whole family has a lot of money, lots of Ivy degrees. And the ones that slacked off and relied on the family money? Well, theyre pretty big losers now that theyre older. Usually, sooner or later, the money runs out. Even if it doesnt, America is a country that bases respect off of earned income. If your career is mediocre and middling, no one will be impressed. ESPECIALLY when they find out how many degrees you had to get just to achieve that mediocrity.


You have a very strange way of defining "slacking off"...

Do you think these two folks "slacked off"

http://english.la.psu.edu/faculty-staff/mfb12
http://www.gov.harvard.edu/people/faculty/robert-putnam

Clearly there are many small business owners who sell boring things like insurance, medical supplies, toilet bowls that make more than these 2 big-shot academics... But I don't think most people who say that A) Putnam or Berube have "slacked off" or B) that they are less successful than small business owners who have higher incomes

Do you think actors on broadway who win acting prizes are "slacking off"... again they make less. You need a different barometer. I'm surprised for someone who grew up in such an accomplished old money home that prestige doesn't trump pay stub. Very odd, from my experience with a similar world. Parents at my parents country clubs far more impressed with Ivy pedigree than pay stubs.


You let me know when you win a prize for acting on broadway, and then I will be impressed. By the way, at that point, you would be earning way more than you are.

Your parents' club? So you are 33 and cant even afford the (heavily reduced) entrance fee given to legacies? That's pretty fucking sad, dont you think? Surely theyre a bit embarrassed that at your age you still have to sponge off their membership.