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....this school is miles better than the school that a child could be going to in a different part of the district? And that child going to a different school in a different part of the district is in high danger of not finishing high school, forget attending college? I think numbers like that for this demo, is astounding.

I suspect that the difference between Latin HS and Ballou is probably pretty great, in terms of day to day experience. So, to be headed to Towson next year after 4 yrs of Latin is an improvement over the typical outcome for kids who start out at Ballou and eventually drop out, enter the penal system, have a baby, or graduate illiterate.

But I have a sneaking suspicion that OP and others like OP 1) aren't faced with the choice between a Dunbar and Latin and 2) wonder why kids like OP's aren't better positioned to gain entrance to UVA coming from Latin HS. That's all.

What I think people don't understand is that many of these parents that select Latin, are not running TO Latin as much as they are running AWAY from Ballou, Anacostia, Coolidge, etc. They want their child to have a shot at doing something better. Latin has some students that can't seem to get out of their environment even while at school. Many do not have stellar GPAs and they have behavior issues. They try not to suspend or even expell these students (although they have done this), because with the child in school, at least they are safe and not out on the streets in their neighborhood doing who knows what. This is not and most likely never will have the college acceptances of an application high school as long as they are open to the city, and students peel off after 8th grade (more potential for 9th graders that come from "those wards"). Latin has the curriculum and the tools in place for students to be accepted into Ivies. I'm sure there are a number of students whose transcripts look just like a student from Walls, but maybe just decided not to apply to an Ivy or Top school for whatever reason.

Doesn't Banneker have similar demographics (i.e., race and poverty). Why do their students get MUCH better results?

for starters, Banneker is a selective school and Latin is not. the 30% enrollment different between Latin lower/upper school also suggests that some of the MS students peel off for HS. Maybe the Hardy IB go to Wilson, some likely apply to Walls and Banneker.

In my DDs class, they lost about half between 8th-9th(most of this half were the tops in the class at the time). Most went to Walls and Private, a few returned to their IB (Wilson). NO ONE went back to any other IB. You people truly don't understand the challenges that Latin faces.

This is such a disappointing thread. I think these results are strong and am amazed how this has brought out the haters.

Seems like some of those who are surprised/disappointed or whatever really thought / hoped / believed that Latin was going to be a free Sidwell or something. It's a good -- maybe great -- school. But still a city-wide charter school that has to accept and educate everyone who gets in.

--not a Latin parent

Of course they hoped that Latin (along with other HRCS) would be a free Sidwell. That's why you sometimes see a DCUM post gushing that "[HRCS] is like a private school!" These charters may be much better than their mediocre IB, but NONE of them are like top privates--NONE! When that reality hits (i.e., Latin's "modest" college acceptances), many people are shocked and disappointed.

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....this school is miles better than the school that a child could be going to in a different part of the district? And that child going to a different school in a different part of the district is in high danger of not finishing high school, forget attending college? I think numbers like that for this demo, is astounding.

I suspect that the difference between Latin HS and Ballou is probably pretty great, in terms of day to day experience. So, to be headed to Towson next year after 4 yrs of Latin is an improvement over the typical outcome for kids who start out at Ballou and eventually drop out, enter the penal system, have a baby, or graduate illiterate.

But I have a sneaking suspicion that OP and others like OP 1) aren't faced with the choice between a Dunbar and Latin and 2) wonder why kids like OP's aren't better positioned to gain entrance to UVA coming from Latin HS. That's all.

What I think people don't understand is that many of these parents that select Latin, are not running TO Latin as much as they are running AWAY from Ballou, Anacostia, Coolidge, etc. They want their child to have a shot at doing something better. Latin has some students that can't seem to get out of their environment even while at school. Many do not have stellar GPAs and they have behavior issues. They try not to suspend or even expell these students (although they have done this), because with the child in school, at least they are safe and not out on the streets in their neighborhood doing who knows what. This is not and most likely never will have the college acceptances of an application high school as long as they are open to the city, and students peel off after 8th grade (more potential for 9th graders that come from "those wards"). Latin has the curriculum and the tools in place for students to be accepted into Ivies. I'm sure there are a number of students whose transcripts look just like a student from Walls, but maybe just decided not to apply to an Ivy or Top school for whatever reason.

Doesn't Banneker have similar demographics (i.e., race and poverty). Why do their students get MUCH better results?

for starters, Banneker is a selective school and Latin is not. the 30% enrollment different between Latin lower/upper school also suggests that some of the MS students peel off for HS. Maybe the Hardy IB go to Wilson, some likely apply to Walls and Banneker.

In my DDs class, they lost about half between 8th-9th(most of this half were the tops in the class at the time). Most went to Walls and Private, a few returned to their IB (Wilson). NO ONE went back to any other IB. You people truly don't understand the challenges that Latin faces.

This is such a disappointing thread. I think these results are strong and am amazed how this has brought out the haters.

Seems like some of those who are surprised/disappointed or whatever really thought / hoped / believed that Latin was going to be a free Sidwell or something. It's a good -- maybe great -- school. But still a city-wide charter school that has to accept and educate everyone who gets in.

--not a Latin parent

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Anonymous wrote:Hmm. Odd that they'd asvertise it if they're all mediocre. Do a lot of the kids go from the middle to the high school or is there a peeling off at that point?

What rarified planet are you living on?! OBerlin, the Coast Guard Academy, GW, American "all mediocre"?

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....this school is miles better than the school that a child could be going to in a different part of the district? And that child going to a different school in a different part of the district is in high danger of not finishing high school, forget attending college? I think numbers like that for this demo, is astounding.

I suspect that the difference between Latin HS and Ballou is probably pretty great, in terms of day to day experience. So, to be headed to Towson next year after 4 yrs of Latin is an improvement over the typical outcome for kids who start out at Ballou and eventually drop out, enter the penal system, have a baby, or graduate illiterate.

But I have a sneaking suspicion that OP and others like OP 1) aren't faced with the choice between a Dunbar and Latin and 2) wonder why kids like OP's aren't better positioned to gain entrance to UVA coming from Latin HS. That's all.

What I think people don't understand is that many of these parents that select Latin, are not running TO Latin as much as they are running AWAY from Ballou, Anacostia, Coolidge, etc. They want their child to have a shot at doing something better. Latin has some students that can't seem to get out of their environment even while at school. Many do not have stellar GPAs and they have behavior issues. They try not to suspend or even expell these students (although they have done this), because with the child in school, at least they are safe and not out on the streets in their neighborhood doing who knows what. This is not and most likely never will have the college acceptances of an application high school as long as they are open to the city, and students peel off after 8th grade (more potential for 9th graders that come from "those wards"). Latin has the curriculum and the tools in place for students to be accepted into Ivies. I'm sure there are a number of students whose transcripts look just like a student from Walls, but maybe just decided not to apply to an Ivy or Top school for whatever reason.

Doesn't Banneker have similar demographics (i.e., race and poverty). Why do their students get MUCH better results?

for starters, Banneker is a selective school and Latin is not. the 30% enrollment different between Latin lower/upper school also suggests that some of the MS students peel off for HS. Maybe the Hardy IB go to Wilson, some likely apply to Walls and Banneker.

In my DDs class, they lost about half between 8th-9th(most of this half were the tops in the class at the time). Most went to Walls and Private, a few returned to their IB (Wilson). NO ONE went back to any other IB. You people truly don't understand the challenges that Latin faces.

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....this school is miles better than the school that a child could be going to in a different part of the district? And that child going to a different school in a different part of the district is in high danger of not finishing high school, forget attending college? I think numbers like that for this demo, is astounding.

I suspect that the difference between Latin HS and Ballou is probably pretty great, in terms of day to day experience. So, to be headed to Towson next year after 4 yrs of Latin is an improvement over the typical outcome for kids who start out at Ballou and eventually drop out, enter the penal system, have a baby, or graduate illiterate.

But I have a sneaking suspicion that OP and others like OP 1) aren't faced with the choice between a Dunbar and Latin and 2) wonder why kids like OP's aren't better positioned to gain entrance to UVA coming from Latin HS. That's all.

What I think people don't understand is that many of these parents that select Latin, are not running TO Latin as much as they are running AWAY from Ballou, Anacostia, Coolidge, etc. They want their child to have a shot at doing something better. Latin has some students that can't seem to get out of their environment even while at school. Many do not have stellar GPAs and they have behavior issues. They try not to suspend or even expell these students (although they have done this), because with the child in school, at least they are safe and not out on the streets in their neighborhood doing who knows what. This is not and most likely never will have the college acceptances of an application high school as long as they are open to the city, and students peel off after 8th grade (more potential for 9th graders that come from "those wards"). Latin has the curriculum and the tools in place for students to be accepted into Ivies. I'm sure there are a number of students whose transcripts look just like a student from Walls, but maybe just decided not to apply to an Ivy or Top school for whatever reason.

Doesn't Banneker have similar demographics (i.e., race and poverty). Why do their students get MUCH better results?

for starters, Banneker is a selective school and Latin is not. the 30% enrollment different between Latin lower/upper school also suggests that some of the MS students peel off for HS. Maybe the Hardy IB go to Wilson, some likely apply to Walls and Banneker.

In my DDs class, they lost about half between 8th-9th(most of this half were the tops in the class at the time). Most went to Walls and Private, a few returned to their IB (Wilson). NO ONE went back to any other IB. You people truly don't understand the challenges that Latin faces.

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....this school is miles better than the school that a child could be going to in a different part of the district? And that child going to a different school in a different part of the district is in high danger of not finishing high school, forget attending college? I think numbers like that for this demo, is astounding.

I suspect that the difference between Latin HS and Ballou is probably pretty great, in terms of day to day experience. So, to be headed to Towson next year after 4 yrs of Latin is an improvement over the typical outcome for kids who start out at Ballou and eventually drop out, enter the penal system, have a baby, or graduate illiterate.

But I have a sneaking suspicion that OP and others like OP 1) aren't faced with the choice between a Dunbar and Latin and 2) wonder why kids like OP's aren't better positioned to gain entrance to UVA coming from Latin HS. That's all.

What I think people don't understand is that many of these parents that select Latin, are not running TO Latin as much as they are running AWAY from Ballou, Anacostia, Coolidge, etc. They want their child to have a shot at doing something better. Latin has some students that can't seem to get out of their environment even while at school. Many do not have stellar GPAs and they have behavior issues. They try not to suspend or even expell these students (although they have done this), because with the child in school, at least they are safe and not out on the streets in their neighborhood doing who knows what. This is not and most likely never will have the college acceptances of an application high school as long as they are open to the city, and students peel off after 8th grade (more potential for 9th graders that come from "those wards"). Latin has the curriculum and the tools in place for students to be accepted into Ivies. I'm sure there are a number of students whose transcripts look just like a student from Walls, but maybe just decided not to apply to an Ivy or Top school for whatever reason.

Doesn't Banneker have similar demographics (i.e., race and poverty). Why do their students get MUCH better results?

for starters, Banneker is a selective school and Latin is not. the 30% enrollment different between Latin lower/upper school also suggests that some of the MS students peel off for HS. Maybe the Hardy IB go to Wilson, some likely apply to Walls and Banneker.

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....this school is miles better than the school that a child could be going to in a different part of the district? And that child going to a different school in a different part of the district is in high danger of not finishing high school, forget attending college? I think numbers like that for this demo, is astounding.

I suspect that the difference between Latin HS and Ballou is probably pretty great, in terms of day to day experience. So, to be headed to Towson next year after 4 yrs of Latin is an improvement over the typical outcome for kids who start out at Ballou and eventually drop out, enter the penal system, have a baby, or graduate illiterate.

But I have a sneaking suspicion that OP and others like OP 1) aren't faced with the choice between a Dunbar and Latin and 2) wonder why kids like OP's aren't better positioned to gain entrance to UVA coming from Latin HS. That's all.

What I think people don't understand is that many of these parents that select Latin, are not running TO Latin as much as they are running AWAY from Ballou, Anacostia, Coolidge, etc. They want their child to have a shot at doing something better. Latin has some students that can't seem to get out of their environment even while at school. Many do not have stellar GPAs and they have behavior issues. They try not to suspend or even expell these students (although they have done this), because with the child in school, at least they are safe and not out on the streets in their neighborhood doing who knows what. This is not and most likely never will have the college acceptances of an application high school as long as they are open to the city, and students peel off after 8th grade (more potential for 9th graders that come from "those wards"). Latin has the curriculum and the tools in place for students to be accepted into Ivies. I'm sure there are a number of students whose transcripts look just like a student from Walls, but maybe just decided not to apply to an Ivy or Top school for whatever reason.

Doesn't Banneker have similar demographics (i.e., race and poverty). Why do their students get MUCH better results?

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Anonymous wrote:I can't speak to the quality of education at Latin, but the list of acceptances looks similar to what I saw in my graduating class at Yorktown 20 years ago. In my HS class, there were a few (like maybe 3) kids who went to ivies or Stanford, and a lot who went to UVA or William and Mary, but most other college bound kids went to the schools listed above. So I don't see this listing of schools as unimpressive, especially since DC has no decent in state options.

Yorktown's acceptance list has never looked anything like this...those folks would have burned the Arlington school board office to the ground.

Since I happen to have access to Washington-Lee's naviance, I can tell you what the Ivy admissions were like in another Arlington high school in 2014. Class size somewhere around 500.

Harvard--2 out of 14 applicants (Harvard actually has admitted a stunning 19% of applicants from W-L in the last 8 years; I assume that means W-L grads have done well there)
Yale--0/9
Princeton--0/15
Brown--1/17
Dartmouth--0/6
Columbia--1/19
Penn--2/15
Cornell--3/19

Assuming that many of these applications are from the same kids, I'd say something like 20-25 W-L students out of 500 are applying to Ivy League schools, and maybe 3? of them are accepted. 3/500. (FTR, Yorktown has not dissimilar results.) So does that put the Latin acceptances in perspective?

No it does not. How do things look in the tier below Ivies? That's what really seems to be missing from the Latin acceptance list.

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Are we looking at the same list OP? Look at the photo of this years graduating class OP. These are AWESOME kids. Look at the schools accepted since 2012 - 134 graduates: AU, Bard, Bates, Bowdoin, Colby, Carnegie Mellon, Will and Mary,Middlebury, Grinnell, Mount Holyoke, Howard, Occidental, Brown, Wesleyan, Haverford. Those aren't kids with straight As and perfect SATs. I can say that, because I've known a lot of them. They are kids who got a real education, found passions, named dreams. Does it skew small liberal arts? Yes. Im sure there are some Latin students rising who want to hit MIT or Stanford. No one will stop them and they will be massively encouraged. But I can say for.many of the kids I've known so far who love Latin, Arabic, history, math - well rounded, curious, a place like Middlebury is sounding like a pretty amazing undergrad fit. The goal.is they be successful and happy this next step; if so, who knows where they could go to grad school.if they choose?
You know who Im equally proud of? Prince Georges Community College. Its pretty shabby to cherry pick these schools, when what matters is kids achieving a personal best. I'm pretty sure that, as PP said, some.Latin kids go far beyond and will go far beyond what they would have been able to at some.other DC learning environments. I hope they go far beyond you and me. I know that at Latin they got great mentoring, love and an excellent foundation. To the graduating class -. Congratulations - go far, and remember where you came from - a place of love and learning.

Anonymous wrote:Hmm. Odd that they'd asvertise it if they're all mediocre. Do a lot of the kids go from the middle to the high school or is there a peeling off at that point?