This guy is a fraud, believe his crap if you want.

Honestly, threads like this are the reason that AA’s are so fed up by the doublespeak inconsistent rhetoric of Conservative Whites. Time and time again, Con Whites are lecturing AA’s about fixing the problems in their own community, addressing crime, unwed parents, blah blah. Studies have shown that the key to upward mobility is education. And there is the notion that like in day’s past, the next generation of AA leaders will come from college campuses So now that AA’s are seeking in droves to better themselves and their communities through education, Con Whites are throwing the whole Affirmative Action in our faces like it is some badge of shame. “It should be blind admission (never mind that the standardized testing scheme is biased).” “We should not take an individual’s circumstances into account when making an admission decision” (unless it benefits my child). I mentor a number of lower SES AA’s and Latino kids and I tell them to take advantage of EVERY opportunity afforded to them even if some are against them getting that opportunity. I tell them that any supposed stigma about how they got where they are is not their problem.

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Your opinion is moronic. If you were a slave, I'd pay you out of my own pocket. But, you weren't.

I'm not one to white wash America's history, which was shameful when it comes to things like slavery. But, to say that YOU are owed anything other than an equal shot at bettering yourself, no.

I wasn't but it can't be denied that the black community has struggled as a result of the legacy of slavery. Affirmative action is that equal shot for minorities to better themselves.

I'm not this PP, but I also agree that your opinion is moronic.

People struggle for all sorts of reasons - race/religion/birthplace, etc. You're not deserving of anything more because your ancestor might have been a slave. Immigrants come from all over the world, from some pretty horrific situations, and they aren't entitled to affirmative action the way AAs are.

America can't fix this world's problems, but it does need to answer for the atrocities committed against its own citizens.

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Anonymous wrote:I have an acquaintance who did Something very similar to get into a top undergrad program (pre med). She is american born to Pakistani parents (both mom and dad). However, her father, although 100% pakistani ethnicity and citizenship (before becoming american)was born in egypt. She claimed African on her applications. She ended up excelling and entering a well regarded although not top 10 medical school.

The point is she did well in med school. Your scores mostly depend on your socioeconomic background. They have nothing to do with how smart you are. I am sure that I got into law school because of AA. My scores were not as high. However, I kicked ass in law school and on the bar. Does that mean that I didn't deserve to be a lawyer even though my dad only had a 6th grade education and didn't know (and couldn't afford) that you are supposed to get private tutoring for your entrance exams? SAT prep was a mystery to me in high school. I didn' t know that people did that. Was I as smart as my white counterparts? Hell yes. Did I have the same advantages? Hell no. Not just money, but also exposure.

So you're saying that whites should be denied entry with your scores despite the fact they will do just as well.

That's how I read that post also. Sure, whites and Asians might do just as well as her, but she deserves the spot simply because she grew up with a dad who had a 6th grade education and was 'underprivileged'.

TBH, I think some of you all read her PP with a slant. I did not read the way you did at all! Read what she said in her second sentence. You guys focused on race and she said SES was the primary factor. And you are naive to think that a low SES raised person (who happens to be AA) has the same advantages as a higher SES person.

No offfense but if a higher SES White student had her scores (with all of the inherent advantages of being higher SES), I would venture to say that PP is more deserving.

If I were putting together an admissions class at my own fantasyland college, I would compare each race and SES against others in that race and SES. I would choose the best within a race and a SES group to fill out my class. Truth be told, high achievers in any race will do well - SES not so much. Mid and high SES White folks hate Affirm Action the most because it is the "average" or mediocre students compared to other like White students who are being squeezed. Mid and High SES Whites no longer get the benefit of being mediocre.

Ummm why? Blind admissions based on GPA, SATs, extracurricular actives and accomplishments. SES and Race shouldn't be used for anything.

That is where we disagree. SES absolutely should be a factor. If a poor kid cannot rack up EC's because they have to work to help support the family, that should count FOR A LOT. Blind admission is unrealistic and is not used for any other notion. You apply for a job, they interview you. They look at your resume (your background). Why shouldn't college admission be the same way?

Interesting idea but when you interview for a job race and SES is not important unless it's a government job which awards points for certain criteria.

LOL! Believe that if you want. Many employers (especially many big ones around here) are realizing that it makes good business sense to have a diverse workforce.

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Your opinion is moronic. If you were a slave, I'd pay you out of my own pocket. But, you weren't.

I'm not one to white wash America's history, which was shameful when it comes to things like slavery. But, to say that YOU are owed anything other than an equal shot at bettering yourself, no.

I wasn't but it can't be denied that the black community has struggled as a result of the legacy of slavery. Affirmative action is that equal shot for minorities to better themselves.

I'm not this PP, but I also agree that your opinion is moronic.

People struggle for all sorts of reasons - race/religion/birthplace, etc. You're not deserving of anything more because your ancestor might have been a slave. Immigrants come from all over the world, from some pretty horrific situations, and they aren't entitled to affirmative action the way AAs are.

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Anonymous wrote:I have an acquaintance who did Something very similar to get into a top undergrad program (pre med). She is american born to Pakistani parents (both mom and dad). However, her father, although 100% pakistani ethnicity and citizenship (before becoming american)was born in egypt. She claimed African on her applications. She ended up excelling and entering a well regarded although not top 10 medical school.

The point is she did well in med school. Your scores mostly depend on your socioeconomic background. They have nothing to do with how smart you are. I am sure that I got into law school because of AA. My scores were not as high. However, I kicked ass in law school and on the bar. Does that mean that I didn't deserve to be a lawyer even though my dad only had a 6th grade education and didn't know (and couldn't afford) that you are supposed to get private tutoring for your entrance exams? SAT prep was a mystery to me in high school. I didn' t know that people did that. Was I as smart as my white counterparts? Hell yes. Did I have the same advantages? Hell no. Not just money, but also exposure.

So you're saying that whites should be denied entry with your scores despite the fact they will do just as well.

That's how I read that post also. Sure, whites and Asians might do just as well as her, but she deserves the spot simply because she grew up with a dad who had a 6th grade education and was 'underprivileged'.

TBH, I think some of you all read her PP with a slant. I did not read the way you did at all! Read what she said in her second sentence. You guys focused on race and she said SES was the primary factor. And you are naive to think that a low SES raised person (who happens to be AA) has the same advantages as a higher SES person.

No offfense but if a higher SES White student had her scores (with all of the inherent advantages of being higher SES), I would venture to say that PP is more deserving.

If I were putting together an admissions class at my own fantasyland college, I would compare each race and SES against others in that race and SES. I would choose the best within a race and a SES group to fill out my class. Truth be told, high achievers in any race will do well - SES not so much. Mid and high SES White folks hate Affirm Action the most because it is the "average" or mediocre students compared to other like White students who are being squeezed. Mid and High SES Whites no longer get the benefit of being mediocre.

Ummm why? Blind admissions based on GPA, SATs, extracurricular actives and accomplishments. SES and Race shouldn't be used for anything.

That is where we disagree. SES absolutely should be a factor. If a poor kid cannot rack up EC's because they have to work to help support the family, that should count FOR A LOT. Blind admission is unrealistic and is not used for any other notion. You apply for a job, they interview you. They look at your resume (your background). Why shouldn't college admission be the same way?

Interesting idea but when you interview for a job race and SES is not important unless it's a government job which awards points for certain criteria.

Kudos to him. A perfect illustration as to why affirmative action is bankrupt and unworkable today.

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Anonymous wrote:I have an acquaintance who did Something very similar to get into a top undergrad program (pre med). She is american born to Pakistani parents (both mom and dad). However, her father, although 100% pakistani ethnicity and citizenship (before becoming american)was born in egypt. She claimed African on her applications. She ended up excelling and entering a well regarded although not top 10 medical school.

The point is she did well in med school. Your scores mostly depend on your socioeconomic background. They have nothing to do with how smart you are. I am sure that I got into law school because of AA. My scores were not as high. However, I kicked ass in law school and on the bar. Does that mean that I didn't deserve to be a lawyer even though my dad only had a 6th grade education and didn't know (and couldn't afford) that you are supposed to get private tutoring for your entrance exams? SAT prep was a mystery to me in high school. I didn' t know that people did that. Was I as smart as my white counterparts? Hell yes. Did I have the same advantages? Hell no. Not just money, but also exposure.

So you're saying that whites should be denied entry with your scores despite the fact they will do just as well.

That's how I read that post also. Sure, whites and Asians might do just as well as her, but she deserves the spot simply because she grew up with a dad who had a 6th grade education and was 'underprivileged'.

TBH, I think some of you all read her PP with a slant. I did not read the way you did at all! Read what she said in her second sentence. You guys focused on race and she said SES was the primary factor. And you are naive to think that a low SES raised person (who happens to be AA) has the same advantages as a higher SES person.

No offfense but if a higher SES White student had her scores (with all of the inherent advantages of being higher SES), I would venture to say that PP is more deserving.

If I were putting together an admissions class at my own fantasyland college, I would compare each race and SES against others in that race and SES. I would choose the best within a race and a SES group to fill out my class. Truth be told, high achievers in any race will do well - SES not so much. Mid and high SES White folks hate Affirm Action the most because it is the "average" or mediocre students compared to other like White students who are being squeezed. Mid and High SES Whites no longer get the benefit of being mediocre.

Ummm why? Blind admissions based on GPA, SATs, extracurricular actives and accomplishments. SES and Race shouldn't be used for anything.

That is where we disagree. SES absolutely should be a factor. If a poor kid cannot rack up EC's because they have to work to help support the family, that should count FOR A LOT. Blind admission is unrealistic and is not used for any other notion. You apply for a job, they interview you. They look at your resume (your background). Why shouldn't college admission be the same way?

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TBH, I think some of you all read her PP with a slant. I did not read the way you did at all! Read what she said in her second sentence. You guys focused on race and she said SES was the primary factor. And you are naive to think that a low SES raised person (who happens to be AA) has the same advantages as a higher SES person.

No offfense but if a higher SES White student had her scores (with all of the inherent advantages of being higher SES), I would venture to say that PP is more deserving.

If I were putting together an admissions class at my own fantasyland college, I would compare each race and SES against others in that race and SES. I would choose the best within a race and a SES group to fill out my class. Truth be told, high achievers in any race will do well - SES not so much. Mid and high SES White folks hate Affirm Action the most because it is the "average" or mediocre students compared to other like White students who are being squeezed. Mid and High SES Whites no longer get the benefit of being mediocre.

What in the world?? That is just silly. She's simply more deserving because of the color of her skin?

No. That is not what I said. But let me rephrase to make it clear "No offfense but if a higher SES student had her scores (with all of the inherent advantages of being higher SES), I would venture to say that PP is more deserving." Took our reference to color.

My ancestors did not own slaves. My ancestors worked in industrial factories and in mines, working many more annual hours than in an agricultural setting.

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Anonymous wrote:I have an acquaintance who did Something very similar to get into a top undergrad program (pre med). She is american born to Pakistani parents (both mom and dad). However, her father, although 100% pakistani ethnicity and citizenship (before becoming american)was born in egypt. She claimed African on her applications. She ended up excelling and entering a well regarded although not top 10 medical school.

The point is she did well in med school. Your scores mostly depend on your socioeconomic background. They have nothing to do with how smart you are. I am sure that I got into law school because of AA. My scores were not as high. However, I kicked ass in law school and on the bar. Does that mean that I didn't deserve to be a lawyer even though my dad only had a 6th grade education and didn't know (and couldn't afford) that you are supposed to get private tutoring for your entrance exams? SAT prep was a mystery to me in high school. I didn' t know that people did that. Was I as smart as my white counterparts? Hell yes. Did I have the same advantages? Hell no. Not just money, but also exposure.

Your post makes some pretty ridiculous assumptions. All white kids get private tutoring? All white kids get SAT prep?

I'm a minority, and my husband is white and an attorney. He grew up dirt poor. His parents weren't highly educated. But, somehow you (or I) deserved to be in law school over him, simply based on race.
That is why I find affirmative action so obnoxious. If they want to base it on socioeconomic status, then maybe I could see that. But, basing admissions on race is wrong. Some black people grow up disadvantaged, just as some white people do.

Just my opinion but yes. America benefited from centuries of free labor from our ancestors so this is just the payment.

Your opinion is moronic. If you were a slave, I'd pay you out of my own pocket. But, you weren't.

I'm not one to white wash America's history, which was shameful when it comes to things like slavery. But, to say that YOU are owed anything other than an equal shot at bettering yourself, no.

I wasn't but it can't be denied that the black community has struggled as a result of the legacy of slavery. Affirmative action is that equal shot for minorities to better themselves.

Anonymous wrote:I think anyone applying to college should be given a number. Just an SAT score, classes taken, GPA and extra activities. Nothing else. No name, no state, no HS name. Nothing.

Let's see what happens.

That's part of how he posed as an AA student. He joined "black" student organizations in addition to using his middle name and altering his appearance to look more black and less Indian.

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Anonymous wrote:I have an acquaintance who did Something very similar to get into a top undergrad program (pre med). She is american born to Pakistani parents (both mom and dad). However, her father, although 100% pakistani ethnicity and citizenship (before becoming american)was born in egypt. She claimed African on her applications. She ended up excelling and entering a well regarded although not top 10 medical school.

The point is she did well in med school. Your scores mostly depend on your socioeconomic background. They have nothing to do with how smart you are. I am sure that I got into law school because of AA. My scores were not as high. However, I kicked ass in law school and on the bar. Does that mean that I didn't deserve to be a lawyer even though my dad only had a 6th grade education and didn't know (and couldn't afford) that you are supposed to get private tutoring for your entrance exams? SAT prep was a mystery to me in high school. I didn' t know that people did that. Was I as smart as my white counterparts? Hell yes. Did I have the same advantages? Hell no. Not just money, but also exposure.

Your post makes some pretty ridiculous assumptions. All white kids get private tutoring? All white kids get SAT prep?

I'm a minority, and my husband is white and an attorney. He grew up dirt poor. His parents weren't highly educated. But, somehow you (or I) deserved to be in law school over him, simply based on race.
That is why I find affirmative action so obnoxious. If they want to base it on socioeconomic status, then maybe I could see that. But, basing admissions on race is wrong. Some black people grow up disadvantaged, just as some white people do.

Just my opinion but yes. America benefited from centuries of free labor from our ancestors so this is just the payment.

My ancestors never benefitted from free labor. Were your ancestors slaves? Probably not, but you will claim they were to help further your arguement. There were far more African slaves in South America than in North America, you never hear about themconstantly asking for freebies.

Not to mention the massive cost of freebies already doled out over the years. Oh, and the 750,000 people that died to end slavery.

Yeah, you aren't owed shit.

If you are living in the U.S. then yes you benefited from my ancestors free labor. A lot of blacks in those countries are poor and struggling as well. Brazil has more blacks than any country outside of Africa and we see how poorly they are faring.

Jews and the Japanese who were in interment camps received reparations so why not African Americans.

LOL, reparations are hilarious. All the graveyards around the country holding the dead bodies of people died to free slaves would think differently. You just want something free, typical

I haven't been given anything free but I do think certain groups deserve special consideration being that these groups were unfairly harmed based purely on skin color for the last several centuries. Let's not forget Jim Crow of which many of our parents and grandparents were alive during this time.

The whole point of this article is that it is easier to get into med school if you are AA. AA's are given preference becuase of their skin color. duh, that is one of ten thousand different forms of reparations.

You just want a check for nothing.

Get lost and grow up

I didn't ask for a check. Racist people like you are exactly why we need Affirmative Action. I guess you presume all black people want to live off the government.

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Anonymous wrote:I have an acquaintance who did Something very similar to get into a top undergrad program (pre med). She is american born to Pakistani parents (both mom and dad). However, her father, although 100% pakistani ethnicity and citizenship (before becoming american)was born in egypt. She claimed African on her applications. She ended up excelling and entering a well regarded although not top 10 medical school.

The point is she did well in med school. Your scores mostly depend on your socioeconomic background. They have nothing to do with how smart you are. I am sure that I got into law school because of AA. My scores were not as high. However, I kicked ass in law school and on the bar. Does that mean that I didn't deserve to be a lawyer even though my dad only had a 6th grade education and didn't know (and couldn't afford) that you are supposed to get private tutoring for your entrance exams? SAT prep was a mystery to me in high school. I didn' t know that people did that. Was I as smart as my white counterparts? Hell yes. Did I have the same advantages? Hell no. Not just money, but also exposure.

Your post makes some pretty ridiculous assumptions. All white kids get private tutoring? All white kids get SAT prep?

I'm a minority, and my husband is white and an attorney. He grew up dirt poor. His parents weren't highly educated. But, somehow you (or I) deserved to be in law school over him, simply based on race.
That is why I find affirmative action so obnoxious. If they want to base it on socioeconomic status, then maybe I could see that. But, basing admissions on race is wrong. Some black people grow up disadvantaged, just as some white people do.

Just my opinion but yes. America benefited from centuries of free labor from our ancestors so this is just the payment.

Your opinion is moronic. If you were a slave, I'd pay you out of my own pocket. But, you weren't.

I'm not one to white wash America's history, which was shameful when it comes to things like slavery. But, to say that YOU are owed anything other than an equal shot at bettering yourself, no.

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Anonymous wrote:I have an acquaintance who did Something very similar to get into a top undergrad program (pre med). She is american born to Pakistani parents (both mom and dad). However, her father, although 100% pakistani ethnicity and citizenship (before becoming american)was born in egypt. She claimed African on her applications. She ended up excelling and entering a well regarded although not top 10 medical school.

The point is she did well in med school. Your scores mostly depend on your socioeconomic background. They have nothing to do with how smart you are. I am sure that I got into law school because of AA. My scores were not as high. However, I kicked ass in law school and on the bar. Does that mean that I didn't deserve to be a lawyer even though my dad only had a 6th grade education and didn't know (and couldn't afford) that you are supposed to get private tutoring for your entrance exams? SAT prep was a mystery to me in high school. I didn' t know that people did that. Was I as smart as my white counterparts? Hell yes. Did I have the same advantages? Hell no. Not just money, but also exposure.

Your post makes some pretty ridiculous assumptions. All white kids get private tutoring? All white kids get SAT prep?

I'm a minority, and my husband is white and an attorney. He grew up dirt poor. His parents weren't highly educated. But, somehow you (or I) deserved to be in law school over him, simply based on race.
That is why I find affirmative action so obnoxious. If they want to base it on socioeconomic status, then maybe I could see that. But, basing admissions on race is wrong. Some black people grow up disadvantaged, just as some white people do.

Just my opinion but yes. America benefited from centuries of free labor from our ancestors so this is just the payment.

My ancestors never benefitted from free labor. Were your ancestors slaves? Probably not, but you will claim they were to help further your arguement. There were far more African slaves in South America than in North America, you never hear about themconstantly asking for freebies.

Not to mention the massive cost of freebies already doled out over the years. Oh, and the 750,000 people that died to end slavery.

Yeah, you aren't owed shit.

If you are living in the U.S. then yes you benefited from my ancestors free labor. A lot of blacks in those countries are poor and struggling as well. Brazil has more blacks than any country outside of Africa and we see how poorly they are faring.

Jews and the Japanese who were in interment camps received reparations so why not African Americans.

LOL, reparations are hilarious. All the graveyards around the country holding the dead bodies of people died to free slaves would think differently. You just want something free, typical

I haven't been given anything free but I do think certain groups deserve special consideration being that these groups were unfairly harmed based purely on skin color for the last several centuries. Let's not forget Jim Crow of which many of our parents and grandparents were alive during this time.

The whole point of this article is that it is easier to get into med school if you are AA. AA's are given preference becuase of their skin color. duh, that is one of ten thousand different forms of reparations.

You just want a check for nothing.

Get lost and grow up