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Anonymous wrote:http://www.newgeography.com/content/00660-the-chevy-chase-club-real-estate-and-racism

A history regarding racism at The Chevy Chase Club written by a member.

According to this article, the CCC is still essentially all white, or close to it.

Are you considering Jewish people as white or non white?

Anonymous wrote:http://www.newgeography.com/content/00660-the-chevy-chase-club-real-estate-and-racism

A history regarding racism at The Chevy Chase Club written by a member.

According to this article, the CCC is still essentially all white, or close to it.

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Anonymous wrote:I am from what would be considered an old money DC family. I graduated from sidwell in the mid 90s and can count on one hand the number of people who belonged to any country club. It is really disgusting what the school has become.

I always thought I would want my kids to go there, but I heard it had changed so we didn't apply. We don't want the country club set.

Same here (I'm pp). It used to be an interesting place. Now it's full of social climbing wannabes.

Can't speak for Sidwell, but as a legacy & member the club but whose family has NEVER made the "country club" set a priority, I appreciate the diversity at the Cathedral schools. My kids are in the lower school at NCS & STA (and they previously went to beauvoir), One recent trend which I find refreshing and the opposite of "social climbing," NOT ONE of ds & dd's classmates are enrolled in the "invitation only" Mrs. Simpson's, but instead opted for the all-inclusive Capital Cotillion. I know I chose Cotillion over Mrs. Simpson's. From what I've heard the stonewalling of Mrs. Simpson's is quite new. Even a few years back, there would be a handful of students in each grade who attended to Mrs. Simpson's... in this year's 4th grade there are none (ZERO) Cathedral students at Mrs. Simpsons. We felt uncomfortable with the idea of sending dc to a dancing school where not all of his/her classmates were welcome. Take that social climbers!

Ok - this made me laugh. (this is not meant to be a dig...but sort of a reality check) Making a "bold statement" by snubbing Mrs Simpson's in favor of Capital Cotillion. Yes, Mrs Simpson's has a dubious past - but give me a break - Capital Cotillion is still in the genre of things that scream old money, elitist, and country club set. I'm not knocking you for it - as we know wonder families with kids in both programs - but it's a very "private school", "social status", "money" sort of activity to enroll kids in. Which is kind of the opposite of the point (I think?) you were trying to make about being "not one of them".

No, I'm sorry, you're just wrong here. There is a huge difference between an activity that is open to anyone who signs up and one that picks and chooses from the "right families." I get that the whole dance/etiquette thing makes your eyes role, I had the same reaction. But my DD enjoyed it and it was perfectly harmless, precisely because it was open to everyone. Mrs. Simpson's is just toxic.

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Anonymous wrote:I am from what would be considered an old money DC family. I graduated from sidwell in the mid 90s and can count on one hand the number of people who belonged to any country club. It is really disgusting what the school has become.

I always thought I would want my kids to go there, but I heard it had changed so we didn't apply. We don't want the country club set.

Same here (I'm pp). It used to be an interesting place. Now it's full of social climbing wannabes.

Can't speak for Sidwell, but as a legacy & member the club but whose family has NEVER made the "country club" set a priority, I appreciate the diversity at the Cathedral schools. My kids are in the lower school at NCS & STA (and they previously went to beauvoir), One recent trend which I find refreshing and the opposite of "social climbing," NOT ONE of ds & dd's classmates are enrolled in the "invitation only" Mrs. Simpson's, but instead opted for the all-inclusive Capital Cotillion. I know I chose Cotillion over Mrs. Simpson's. From what I've heard the stonewalling of Mrs. Simpson's is quite new. Even a few years back, there would be a handful of students in each grade who attended to Mrs. Simpson's... in this year's 4th grade there are none (ZERO) Cathedral students at Mrs. Simpsons. We felt uncomfortable with the idea of sending dc to a dancing school where not all of his/her classmates were welcome. Take that social climbers!

Ok - this made me laugh. (this is not meant to be a dig...but sort of a reality check) Making a "bold statement" by snubbing Mrs Simpson's in favor of Capital Cotillion. Yes, Mrs Simpson's has a dubious past - but give me a break - Capital Cotillion is still in the genre of things that scream old money, elitist, and country club set. I'm not knocking you for it - as we know wonder families with kids in both programs - but it's a very "private school", "social status", "money" sort of activity to enroll kids in. Which is kind of the opposite of the point (I think?) you were trying to make about being "not one of them".

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Anonymous wrote:Why all the spewing on the country club? If people want to use this as a social avenue, or to play golf or tennis, what exactly is wrong with that?

I think that there is some general opinion here, shared by a lot of people who have never been inside this circle and make assumptions about what goes on - I can assure you, it is a lot like going to a restaurant or bar where everybody knows you and you feel comfortable while sharing common interests.

Let me correct that for you--it is a lot like going to a restaurant WHERE EVERYBODY IS WHITE, PRIVILEGED, AND CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO THINK TOO DEEPLY ABOUT RACISM.

I'll be sure to share this observation with all of our black and Jewish friends at our club. Are you in some sort of time warp??

The person was commenting specifically about the Chevy Chase Club which has a history of exclusion to blacks and to Jews. One of the posters stated how nice it was to walk into the club isl ike walking into a restaurant and everyone shares common interests, meaning they share the same views regarding exclusion. Chevy may not openly discriminate but it is not the place you think of with a wide and varied type of membership.

Why is it assumed that the common interests are about exclusion? How about golf? tennis? kids involvement in swim team? This is what is meant by common interests.

Yes, racism is part of this club's history...but keep in mind it is part of our country's history. There are racists everywhere...you don't have to go to CCC to find it.

But why would you choose to spend a significant amount of your money (and time) on a institution that not only has a recent history of racial discrimination and anti-semitism, and that in practice, continues to support a membership that is largely white and Christian? You are supporting an institution that is racist, whether you choose to think of it that way or not.

There are clubs, golf courses, tennis courts, and swim teams that are not exclusively white and Christian. Especially in the DC metro area, which is one of the most diverse in the country. You are choosing to raise your children in an environment that doesn't consider discrimination an important social justice issue.

BTW, if you don't comprehend the connections or the ethical arguments, I would suggest that you look at schools other than Sidwell. The best part of a Sidwell education may be lost on your family.

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Anonymous wrote:Why all the spewing on the country club? If people want to use this as a social avenue, or to play golf or tennis, what exactly is wrong with that?

I think that there is some general opinion here, shared by a lot of people who have never been inside this circle and make assumptions about what goes on - I can assure you, it is a lot like going to a restaurant or bar where everybody knows you and you feel comfortable while sharing common interests.

Let me correct that for you--it is a lot like going to a restaurant WHERE EVERYBODY IS WHITE, PRIVILEGED, AND CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO THINK TOO DEEPLY ABOUT RACISM.

I'll be sure to share this observation with all of our black and Jewish friends at our club. Are you in some sort of time warp??

The person was commenting specifically about the Chevy Chase Club which has a history of exclusion to blacks and to Jews. One of the posters stated how nice it was to walk into the club isl ike walking into a restaurant and everyone shares common interests, meaning they share the same views regarding exclusion. Chevy may not openly discriminate but it is not the place you think of with a wide and varied type of membership.

Why is it assumed that the common interests are about exclusion? How about golf? tennis? kids involvement in swim team? This is what is meant by common interests.

Yes, racism is part of this club's history...but keep in mind it is part of our country's history. There are racists everywhere...you don't have to go to CCC to find it.

Anonymous wrote:If you have to ask, then it's not for you.

You scream new money.

Anonymous wrote:This is one of the strangest threads I have ever read in the privates forum....

+1

http://www.newgeography.com/content/00660-the-chevy-chase-club-real-estate-and-racism

A history regarding racism at The Chevy Chase Club written by a member.

Can we shut this thread down and move the discussion to the OT forum?

Anonymous wrote:I think Sidwell has become the current school of choice for social climbers - particularly those with daughters who are trying to find an alternative to NCS.

Wouldn't their parents then look to another all-girls school?

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Anonymous wrote:Why all the spewing on the country club? If people want to use this as a social avenue, or to play golf or tennis, what exactly is wrong with that?

I think that there is some general opinion here, shared by a lot of people who have never been inside this circle and make assumptions about what goes on - I can assure you, it is a lot like going to a restaurant or bar where everybody knows you and you feel comfortable while sharing common interests.

Let me correct that for you--it is a lot like going to a restaurant WHERE EVERYBODY IS WHITE, PRIVILEGED, AND CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO THINK TOO DEEPLY ABOUT RACISM.

I'll be sure to share this observation with all of our black and Jewish friends at our club. Are you in some sort of time warp??

The person was commenting specifically about the Chevy Chase Club which has a history of exclusion to blacks and to Jews. One of the posters stated how nice it was to walk into the club isl ike walking into a restaurant and everyone shares common interests, meaning they share the same views regarding exclusion. Chevy may not openly discriminate but it is not the place you think of with a wide and varied type of membership.

NOT TRUE! I know that Sammy Davis Jr. once ate at the club during the Nixon administration.

If you have to ask, then it's not for you.

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Anonymous wrote:Why all the spewing on the country club? If people want to use this as a social avenue, or to play golf or tennis, what exactly is wrong with that?

I think that there is some general opinion here, shared by a lot of people who have never been inside this circle and make assumptions about what goes on - I can assure you, it is a lot like going to a restaurant or bar where everybody knows you and you feel comfortable while sharing common interests.

Let me correct that for you--it is a lot like going to a restaurant WHERE EVERYBODY IS WHITE, PRIVILEGED, AND CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO THINK TOO DEEPLY ABOUT RACISM.

I'll be sure to share this observation with all of our black and Jewish friends at our club. Are you in some sort of time warp??

The person was commenting specifically about the Chevy Chase Club which has a history of exclusion to blacks and to Jews. One of the posters stated how nice it was to walk into the club isl ike walking into a restaurant and everyone shares common interests, meaning they share the same views regarding exclusion. Chevy may not openly discriminate but it is not the place you think of with a wide and varied type of membership.

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Anonymous wrote:Why all the spewing on the country club? If people want to use this as a social avenue, or to play golf or tennis, what exactly is wrong with that?

I think that there is some general opinion here, shared by a lot of people who have never been inside this circle and make assumptions about what goes on - I can assure you, it is a lot like going to a restaurant or bar where everybody knows you and you feel comfortable while sharing common interests.

Let me correct that for you--it is a lot like going to a restaurant WHERE EVERYBODY IS WHITE, PRIVILEGED, AND CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO THINK TOO DEEPLY ABOUT RACISM.

I'll be sure to share this observation with all of our black and Jewish friends at our club. Are you in some sort of time warp??