Anonymous
11/09/2015 22:10
Subject: Secular family values rock!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Morals and values don't come from religion. They come from empathy. The "Golden Rule" of treating others as you would have them treat you is not something that Judeo-Christian faith can claim to own, it's far older, it comes from human self-awareness.
I have Aspergers and therefore little empathy. I do, however, have morals and values that come from my faith.
And without your faith, you'd have no morals and values?
Anonymous
11/09/2015 21:42
Subject: Secular family values rock!
Anonymous wrote:Morals and values don't come from religion. They come from empathy. The "Golden Rule" of treating others as you would have them treat you is not something that Judeo-Christian faith can claim to own, it's far older, it comes from human self-awareness.
I have Aspergers and therefore little empathy. I do, however, have morals and values that come from my faith.
Anonymous
11/09/2015 19:38
Subject: Secular family values rock!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
There have always been variations in beliefs. faith is what counts
And how do you have faith in something that's so unpredictable? If your boss set down ground rules one day and then changed them the next week with no guarantee even THOSE would be permanent, would you have faith in him/her?
get it?
And who's setting the rules in religion? humans
Take a deep breath. Go do something that's meaningful to your own life, that improves your own life and the lives of your family members.
Ditch your pointless bickering with people of faith, ditch your unconvincing and repetitive rants, ditch your snideness (get it?). You're not convincing anybody here; they've heard your arguments a million times before (often from you, and see how effective that was?)
More germane to this thread, nothing about your behavior here makes the atheist struggle-bus look particularly attractive. No matter how many newspaper articles about secular families you post.
You don't want to be just like the anti-public school losers on the private school forum, or the anti-Islam bigots on the political forum, do you? Because from here, you look exactly like those losers.
Xoxo,
A Christian
Anonymous
11/09/2015 19:37
Subject: Secular family values rock!
Anonymous wrote:We do good not to gain entrance to heaven. It's the right thing to do.
What if you discovered that there was no God?
Could you go on? live your life the same way? Would you have a purpose?
You create meaning THROUGH this belief. You do realize that, right? You NEED a belief system to do good.
That's simply not the case for everyone, however, as there are many who create a purpose w/o a god to guide them. doing good for the sake of doing good, not to earn a reward
Your "right thing to do" really does hinge upon your religious beliefs. You can't separate them. Just be honest. You can't separate them.
Anonymous
11/09/2015 19:23
Subject: Secular family values rock!
We do good not to gain entrance to heaven. It's the right thing to do.
Anonymous
11/09/2015 19:22
Subject: Secular family values rock!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Reposting for formatting.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
There have always been variations in beliefs. faith is what counts
And how do you have faith in something that's so unpredictable? If your boss set down ground rules one day and then changed them the next week with no guarantee even THOSE would be permanent, would you have faith in him/her?
get it?
And who's setting the rules in religion? humans
Take a deep breath. Go do something that's meaningful to your own life, that improves your own life and the lives of your family members.
Ditch your pointless bickering with people of faith, ditch your unconvincing and repetitive rants, ditch your snideness (get it?). You're not convincing anybody here; they've heard your arguments a million times before. (Often from you, and see how effective that was?)
More germane to this thread, nothing about your behavior here makes the atheist struggle-bus look particularly attractive. No matter how many newspaper articles about secular families you post.
You don't want to be just like the anti-public school losers on the private school forum, or the anti-Islam bigots on the political forum, do you? Because from here, you look exactly like those losers.
I haven't posted any articles on secular families. You must think there's one atheist floating around these threads. You're probably outnumbered.
And I'm a loser? lol That doesn't surprise me that a Christian - who follows God's rules - would lower him/herself by name calling. So be it. I'm a loser b/c I think the bible is filled with fairy tales.
I know how much I do each day to help others. Every day I accomplish something meaningful. But I don't do it to earn my spot in heaven. I do it b/c it's important.
Np. Same for me and everyone else I know.
Anonymous
11/09/2015 18:46
Subject: Secular family values rock!
Anonymous wrote:Reposting for formatting.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
There have always been variations in beliefs. faith is what counts
And how do you have faith in something that's so unpredictable? If your boss set down ground rules one day and then changed them the next week with no guarantee even THOSE would be permanent, would you have faith in him/her?
get it?
And who's setting the rules in religion? humans
Take a deep breath. Go do something that's meaningful to your own life, that improves your own life and the lives of your family members.
Ditch your pointless bickering with people of faith, ditch your unconvincing and repetitive rants, ditch your snideness (get it?). You're not convincing anybody here; they've heard your arguments a million times before. (Often from you, and see how effective that was?)
More germane to this thread, nothing about your behavior here makes the atheist struggle-bus look particularly attractive. No matter how many newspaper articles about secular families you post.
You don't want to be just like the anti-public school losers on the private school forum, or the anti-Islam bigots on the political forum, do you? Because from here, you look exactly like those losers.
I haven't posted any articles on secular families. You must think there's one atheist floating around these threads. You're probably outnumbered.
And I'm a loser? lol That doesn't surprise me that a Christian - who follows God's rules - would lower him/herself by name calling. So be it. I'm a loser b/c I think the bible is filled with fairy tales.
I know how much I do each day to help others. Every day I accomplish something meaningful. But I don't do it to earn my spot in heaven. I do it b/c it's important.
Anonymous
11/09/2015 18:35
Subject: Re:Secular family values rock!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The secularists in his thread seem to be pushing an agenda awful hard. Seems almost desperate. Why is that?
because you're not used to secular people speaking up. It seems like "pushing an agenda" when it's more like expressing a point of view held by a minority that has historically been pretty quiet.
I agree that there is an agenda being pushed here.
And, it is not just that secular people are speaking up.
It is almost as if they are trying to convince believers to forsake their faith.
Why?
If you don’t believe in God, so be it.
But, it’s really not necessary to insist that believing in God is wrong.
It's also not necessary to assume that we'll burn in hell. And sure you'll say - "Well, why worry if you don't even believe in a hell?" That's not the point. It's assuming that believers have an "edge" b/c of God.
It's annoying - and ironically, not very humble. Didn't God warn against being arrogant?
Many practicing Christians don't believe atheists burn in hell, despite the teaching of their church. They tend to be more humble than those who warn people about the punishment for not believing, but they many not be better off in the end.
Wow, I guess these Christians lack faith in the teachings of their church.
Wow, guess they've read the gospels and come to their own conclusions. Like people who take their faiths seriously.
Coming to your own conclusions is not faith, it's skepticism.
People of faith know what faith is. If it feels like faith, then it's faith. They can be skeptical of some things - like the honesty of politicians or car salesmen, but when it comes to their faith, they believe what they want to believe.
People without faith can't understand this. To them it seems like silliness, lack of intellect or some kind of weird blindspot. But people of faith understand and are not fazed. They know that they are just as intelligent and analytical and skeptical as anyone else about matters unrelated to their religious faith.
Anonymous
11/09/2015 16:49
Subject: Re:Secular family values rock!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The secularists in his thread seem to be pushing an agenda awful hard. Seems almost desperate. Why is that?
because you're not used to secular people speaking up. It seems like "pushing an agenda" when it's more like expressing a point of view held by a minority that has historically been pretty quiet.
I agree that there is an agenda being pushed here.
And, it is not just that secular people are speaking up.
It is almost as if they are trying to convince believers to forsake their faith.
Why?
If you don’t believe in God, so be it.
But, it’s really not necessary to insist that believing in God is wrong.
It's also not necessary to assume that we'll burn in hell. And sure you'll say - "Well, why worry if you don't even believe in a hell?" That's not the point. It's assuming that believers have an "edge" b/c of God.
It's annoying - and ironically, not very humble. Didn't God warn against being arrogant?
Many practicing Christians don't believe atheists burn in hell, despite the teaching of their church. They tend to be more humble than those who warn people about the punishment for not believing, but they many not be better off in the end.
Wow, I guess these Christians lack faith in the teachings of their church.
Wow, guess they've read the gospels and come to their own conclusions. Like people who take their faiths seriously.
Coming to your own conclusions is not faith, it's skepticism.[u]
Six pages of nonsense and this is probably the post in this thread.
Anonymous
11/09/2015 14:48
Subject: Re:Secular family values rock!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The secularists in his thread seem to be pushing an agenda awful hard. Seems almost desperate. Why is that?
because you're not used to secular people speaking up. It seems like "pushing an agenda" when it's more like expressing a point of view held by a minority that has historically been pretty quiet.
I agree that there is an agenda being pushed here.
And, it is not just that secular people are speaking up.
It is almost as if they are trying to convince believers to forsake their faith.
Why?
If you don’t believe in God, so be it.
But, it’s really not necessary to insist that believing in God is wrong.
It's also not necessary to assume that we'll burn in hell. And sure you'll say - "Well, why worry if you don't even believe in a hell?" That's not the point. It's assuming that believers have an "edge" b/c of God.
It's annoying - and ironically, not very humble. Didn't God warn against being arrogant?
Many practicing Christians don't believe atheists burn in hell, despite the teaching of their church. They tend to be more humble than those who warn people about the punishment for not believing, but they many not be better off in the end.
Wow, I guess these Christians lack faith in the teachings of their church.
Wow, guess they've read the gospels and come to their own conclusions. Like people who take their faiths seriously.
Coming to your own conclusions is not faith, it's skepticism.
Anonymous
11/09/2015 13:38
Subject: Secular family values rock!
Free chuckle at how the anti-Christian bigot hijacked an atheist thread for her anti-Christian bigotry....
Anonymous
11/09/2015 13:17
Subject: Re:Secular family values rock!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The secularists in his thread seem to be pushing an agenda awful hard. Seems almost desperate. Why is that?
because you're not used to secular people speaking up. It seems like "pushing an agenda" when it's more like expressing a point of view held by a minority that has historically been pretty quiet.
I agree that there is an agenda being pushed here.
And, it is not just that secular people are speaking up.
It is almost as if they are trying to convince believers to forsake their faith.
Why?
If you don’t believe in God, so be it.
But, it’s really not necessary to insist that believing in God is wrong.
It's also not necessary to assume that we'll burn in hell. And sure you'll say - "Well, why worry if you don't even believe in a hell?" That's not the point. It's assuming that believers have an "edge" b/c of God.
It's annoying - and ironically, not very humble. Didn't God warn against being arrogant?
Many practicing Christians don't believe atheists burn in hell, despite the teaching of their church. They tend to be more humble than those who warn people about the punishment for not believing, but they many not be better off in the end.
Wow, I guess these Christians lack faith in the teachings of their church.
Wow, guess they've read the gospels and come to their own conclusions. Like people who take their faiths seriously.
There's a saying in the liberal church: "I don't take the Bible literally; I take it seriously" or "I take the bible too seriously to take it literally." It means that the people saying that are too sophisticated to think of the literal words of the Bible as anything but the first century (and earlier) pre-scientific story-telling that it obviously is.
Still, they find value in the Bible in guiding their 21st century, educated and evolving faith. What people literally believed back then can become a metaphor for modern life-lessons.
This way of thinking is not limited to Christianity, of course, but if you've been raised Christian and have been supporting a Christian congregation for many years, then it allows for a way to stay within that tradition without parking your brains at the front door when you enter church.
Anonymous
11/09/2015 12:57
Subject: Re:Secular family values rock!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The secularists in his thread seem to be pushing an agenda awful hard. Seems almost desperate. Why is that?
because you're not used to secular people speaking up. It seems like "pushing an agenda" when it's more like expressing a point of view held by a minority that has historically been pretty quiet.
I agree that there is an agenda being pushed here.
And, it is not just that secular people are speaking up.
It is almost as if they are trying to convince believers to forsake their faith.
Why?
If you don’t believe in God, so be it.
But, it’s really not necessary to insist that believing in God is wrong.
It's also not necessary to assume that we'll burn in hell. And sure you'll say - "Well, why worry if you don't even believe in a hell?" That's not the point. It's assuming that believers have an "edge" b/c of God.
It's annoying - and ironically, not very humble. Didn't God warn against being arrogant?
Many practicing Christians don't believe atheists burn in hell, despite the teaching of their church. They tend to be more humble than those who warn people about the punishment for not believing, but they many not be better off in the end.
Wow, I guess these Christians lack faith in the teachings of their church.
Wow, guess they've read the gospels and come to their own conclusions. Like people who take their faiths seriously.
Anonymous
11/09/2015 12:55
Subject: Re:Secular family values rock!
I have a hard time believing secular people don't need some sort of moral compass teaching when people on this board can't even agree if it's not nice to invite 8 our of the 10 boys in a class to a birthday party and exclude two boys. And this type of question seems to come up monthly so not even one poster who doesn't understand how to have empathy for anyone except themselves.
Anonymous
11/09/2015 12:53
Subject: Re:Secular family values rock!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The secularists in his thread seem to be pushing an agenda awful hard. Seems almost desperate. Why is that?
because you're not used to secular people speaking up. It seems like "pushing an agenda" when it's more like expressing a point of view held by a minority that has historically been pretty quiet.
I agree that there is an agenda being pushed here.
And, it is not just that secular people are speaking up.
It is almost as if they are trying to convince believers to forsake their faith.
Why?
If you don’t believe in God, so be it.
But, it’s really not necessary to insist that believing in God is wrong.
It's also not necessary to assume that we'll burn in hell. And sure you'll say - "Well, why worry if you don't even believe in a hell?" That's not the point. It's assuming that believers have an "edge" b/c of God.
It's annoying - and ironically, not very humble. Didn't God warn against being arrogant?
Many practicing Christians don't believe atheists burn in hell, despite the teaching of their church. They tend to be more humble than those who warn people about the punishment for not believing, but they many not be better off in the end.
Wow, I guess these Christians lack faith in the teachings of their church.