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Anonymous wrote:Everyone always puts down ACPS because of the rankings. If you check the schooldigger site, certain ACPS elementaries are performing significantly better than those in FFX county. For example, Lyles-Crouch elementary in ACPS is ranked 152. And is only 57% white with a large African American pop (27%). By contrast, Kent Gardens elementary in McLean is ranked 102 and is approximately 70% White with a larger Asian population and much lower african american/latino population.

So...IMO, ACPS is doing something right with that school! Lyles-Crouch would be my pick.

Black students at TC Williams averaged 1268 on the SATs last year. Black students at McLean averaged 1611. That "outperformance" at Lyles-Crouch you're claiming, based on its being ranked 52 below Kent Gardens by one source, sure doesn't seem to carry forward very far.

Anonymous wrote:Everyone always puts down ACPS because of the rankings. If you check the schooldigger site, certain ACPS elementaries are performing significantly better than those in FFX county. For example, Lyles-Crouch elementary in ACPS is ranked 152. And is only 57% white with a large African American pop (27%). By contrast, Kent Gardens elementary in McLean is ranked 102 and is approximately 70% White with a larger Asian population and much lower african american/latino population.

So...IMO, ACPS is doing something right with that school! Lyles-Crouch would be my pick.

Anonymous wrote:Everyone always puts down ACPS because of the rankings. If you check the schooldigger site, certain ACPS elementaries are performing significantly better than those in FFX county. For example, Lyles-Crouch elementary in ACPS is ranked 152. And is only 57% white with a large African American pop (27%). By contrast, Kent Gardens elementary in McLean is ranked 102 and is approximately 70% White with a larger Asian population and much lower african american/latino population.

So...IMO, ACPS is doing something right with that school! Lyles-Crouch would be my pick.

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Anonymous wrote:I found it very useful. Our hs is a 6, but that's just a reflection of the mixture of kids at this school. Kids like mine pass their tests at a higher rate than other kids at the school. That data helps me assess whether I want to send my kids there. If kids from non-disadvantaged backgrounds are doing well, then I'm ok with it even if the overall score is not as high. The schools with high overall scores usually don't have many disadvantaged kids in their data pool...so of course the overall score is going to be higher than schools that have a mix of kids. If our "6" hs didn't have the disadvantaged kids, it'd be an 8 too.

The only people who care about the score are the those that are worried about education for their children, but not too worried, so they just want to look for one data point on the internet and then sit around being smug.

No, we just don't want to pay an inflated price for housing just so our kids are in a lily white school (or school where 10 percent asians counts as the "diversity"). We don't like to follow the crowds for a crappy house and an unnecessarily high mortgage.

LOL, yeah right it's can't pay.

No, -- we just don't want smug neighbors like you -- talk about making the case for staying away from certain areas!

Right, completely believable

New poster here. Go shove your smug head up your ass. Not everyone who can afford a giant house in a lily white neighborhood wants to do that. Truly. Some people - myself and many of my neighbors - choose to live in a more diverse area. Not that housing is necessarily even cheaper than your bland suburb, but there are more options so you get some diversity. And WE LIKE IT. I know that must blow your mind.

Don't you have some Kumon Mom's Club meeting to attend?

Written like a parent without children in the schools yet. Diversity IS a nice idea, yes.

Sorry, 2 kids in a very diverse elementary school. Diverse and yet it's still one of the best public schools around.

Define "very diverse." Be sure to use definitions beyond skin color.

Children from many different countries, many languages, many different skin colors. Families live in a mix of housing - apts/condos/THs. Also, a mix of professions.

55% white
12% AA
20% asian
7% hispanic
7% mixed

19% FARM

Great Schools = 10

LOL at you think this is "diverse." Miniscule at-risk population there. 2% black and 7% Hispanic? Not a lot of Spanish in the halls, I'm guessing.

But, golf clap. I could see this meeting the "optimal" version of "diverse" to a high-income white family.

Pp said 12 percent black, not 2 percent.

Yeah, that was a typo. Are you impressed with 12%? Plus 7% Hispanic? That's not "diverse." That's majority white with some tokens.

So every fifth kid is a "token" just there for show?

The demographics at that school match up more closely with those in the nation as a whole than those at most schools in the area. And, knock on wood, it's a high-achieving school, too.

If you have a point, you need to restate it, because your comments about tokenism are absurd and offensive.

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Anonymous wrote:I found it very useful. Our hs is a 6, but that's just a reflection of the mixture of kids at this school. Kids like mine pass their tests at a higher rate than other kids at the school. That data helps me assess whether I want to send my kids there. If kids from non-disadvantaged backgrounds are doing well, then I'm ok with it even if the overall score is not as high. The schools with high overall scores usually don't have many disadvantaged kids in their data pool...so of course the overall score is going to be higher than schools that have a mix of kids. If our "6" hs didn't have the disadvantaged kids, it'd be an 8 too.

The only people who care about the score are the those that are worried about education for their children, but not too worried, so they just want to look for one data point on the internet and then sit around being smug.

No, we just don't want to pay an inflated price for housing just so our kids are in a lily white school (or school where 10 percent asians counts as the "diversity"). We don't like to follow the crowds for a crappy house and an unnecessarily high mortgage.

LOL, yeah right it's can't pay.

No, -- we just don't want smug neighbors like you -- talk about making the case for staying away from certain areas!

Right, completely believable

New poster here. Go shove your smug head up your ass. Not everyone who can afford a giant house in a lily white neighborhood wants to do that. Truly. Some people - myself and many of my neighbors - choose to live in a more diverse area. Not that housing is necessarily even cheaper than your bland suburb, but there are more options so you get some diversity. And WE LIKE IT. I know that must blow your mind.

Don't you have some Kumon Mom's Club meeting to attend?

Written like a parent without children in the schools yet. Diversity IS a nice idea, yes.

Sorry, 2 kids in a very diverse elementary school. Diverse and yet it's still one of the best public schools around.

Define "very diverse." Be sure to use definitions beyond skin color.

Children from many different countries, many languages, many different skin colors. Families live in a mix of housing - apts/condos/THs. Also, a mix of professions.

55% white
12% AA
20% asian
7% hispanic
7% mixed

19% FARM

Great Schools = 10

LOL at you think this is "diverse." Miniscule at-risk population there. 2% black and 7% Hispanic? Not a lot of Spanish in the halls, I'm guessing.

But, golf clap. I could see this meeting the "optimal" version of "diverse" to a high-income white family.

Pp said 12 percent black, not 2 percent.

Yeah, that was a typo. Are you impressed with 12%? Plus 7% Hispanic? That's not "diverse." That's majority white with some tokens.

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Anonymous wrote:I found it very useful. Our hs is a 6, but that's just a reflection of the mixture of kids at this school. Kids like mine pass their tests at a higher rate than other kids at the school. That data helps me assess whether I want to send my kids there. If kids from non-disadvantaged backgrounds are doing well, then I'm ok with it even if the overall score is not as high. The schools with high overall scores usually don't have many disadvantaged kids in their data pool...so of course the overall score is going to be higher than schools that have a mix of kids. If our "6" hs didn't have the disadvantaged kids, it'd be an 8 too.

The only people who care about the score are the those that are worried about education for their children, but not too worried, so they just want to look for one data point on the internet and then sit around being smug.

No, we just don't want to pay an inflated price for housing just so our kids are in a lily white school (or school where 10 percent asians counts as the "diversity"). We don't like to follow the crowds for a crappy house and an unnecessarily high mortgage.

LOL, yeah right it's can't pay.

No, -- we just don't want smug neighbors like you -- talk about making the case for staying away from certain areas!

Right, completely believable

New poster here. Go shove your smug head up your ass. Not everyone who can afford a giant house in a lily white neighborhood wants to do that. Truly. Some people - myself and many of my neighbors - choose to live in a more diverse area. Not that housing is necessarily even cheaper than your bland suburb, but there are more options so you get some diversity. And WE LIKE IT. I know that must blow your mind.

Don't you have some Kumon Mom's Club meeting to attend?

Written like a parent without children in the schools yet. Diversity IS a nice idea, yes.

Sorry, 2 kids in a very diverse elementary school. Diverse and yet it's still one of the best public schools around.

Define "very diverse." Be sure to use definitions beyond skin color.

Children from many different countries, many languages, many different skin colors. Families live in a mix of housing - apts/condos/THs. Also, a mix of professions.

55% white
12% AA
20% asian
7% hispanic
7% mixed

19% FARM

Great Schools = 10

LOL at you think this is "diverse." Miniscule at-risk population there. 2% black and 7% Hispanic? Not a lot of Spanish in the halls, I'm guessing.

But, golf clap. I could see this meeting the "optimal" version of "diverse" to a high-income white family.

Pp said 12 percent black, not 2 percent.

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Anonymous wrote:I found it very useful. Our hs is a 6, but that's just a reflection of the mixture of kids at this school. Kids like mine pass their tests at a higher rate than other kids at the school. That data helps me assess whether I want to send my kids there. If kids from non-disadvantaged backgrounds are doing well, then I'm ok with it even if the overall score is not as high. The schools with high overall scores usually don't have many disadvantaged kids in their data pool...so of course the overall score is going to be higher than schools that have a mix of kids. If our "6" hs didn't have the disadvantaged kids, it'd be an 8 too.

The only people who care about the score are the those that are worried about education for their children, but not too worried, so they just want to look for one data point on the internet and then sit around being smug.

No, we just don't want to pay an inflated price for housing just so our kids are in a lily white school (or school where 10 percent asians counts as the "diversity"). We don't like to follow the crowds for a crappy house and an unnecessarily high mortgage.

LOL, yeah right it's can't pay.

No, -- we just don't want smug neighbors like you -- talk about making the case for staying away from certain areas!

Right, completely believable

New poster here. Go shove your smug head up your ass. Not everyone who can afford a giant house in a lily white neighborhood wants to do that. Truly. Some people - myself and many of my neighbors - choose to live in a more diverse area. Not that housing is necessarily even cheaper than your bland suburb, but there are more options so you get some diversity. And WE LIKE IT. I know that must blow your mind.

Don't you have some Kumon Mom's Club meeting to attend?

Written like a parent without children in the schools yet. Diversity IS a nice idea, yes.

Sorry, 2 kids in a very diverse elementary school. Diverse and yet it's still one of the best public schools around.

Define "very diverse." Be sure to use definitions beyond skin color.

Children from many different countries, many languages, many different skin colors. Families live in a mix of housing - apts/condos/THs. Also, a mix of professions.

55% white
12% AA
20% asian
7% hispanic
7% mixed

19% FARM

Great Schools = 10

LOL at you think this is "diverse." Miniscule at-risk population there. 2% black and 7% Hispanic? Not a lot of Spanish in the halls, I'm guessing.

But, golf clap. I could see this meeting the "optimal" version of "diverse" to a high-income white family.

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I am not sure there are any expensive lilly white 99.999% white neighborhoods, maybe you are thinking about southern Virginia where there is less diversity? Every neighborhood in the DC area with a high great school rating tend to be at least 20-40% minority. Thanks for the uneducated stereotype.

In NoVa the idea is to live in a place that is 70% white, 30% asian, and 100% high SES, and to point to the asian percentage to show you are not a bigot, while hating and fearing blacks, most hispanics, and poor people of any color.

Don't be stupid, even the whitest school langley and madison still have 10-15% Hispanic or black. No school is 30% Asian.

WRONG!

Wootton HS - 34.7% Asian

http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04234.pdf

I assume what the prior poster meant was that, if there were any schools close to 70% white, they wouldn't be 30% Asian.

In FCPS, there are 19 elementaries, three middle schools and two high schools (Centreville and TJ) that are over 30% Asian, but none is close to 70% white. One of the 24 has slightly more than 60% white students (Colvin Run). So this notion that GS top-ranked schools are close to 70% white/30% Asian is not grounded in reality.

This racial assumption is not reality, but the strong correlation with family income/test scores/GS rating is accurate. For example, in Arlington there are 7 ES rated "10". Of those the highest FARM rate is 21%. Five of the 7 have FARM rates <10%, most of those <5%. If you look at all the 9 and 10 schools, only one has a FARM rate similar to the average for the county (Long Branch).

The lowest rated schools in Arlington (GS=3 or 4) have FARM rates of 59%-86%. Those rates of poverty of course are concerning and could suggest a lot of challenges but for a school in the 6-8 range, if I were house-hunting, I wouldn't rule out a great house with a great commute if the breakdown of scores for non-FARM kids showed that affluent kids do fine there (although that would not be the ONLY data point I'd consider in evaluating a school).

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Anonymous wrote:In the past (before the revamp), you could click directly on the big circle rating and you could get ratings for subgroups broken out by race, gender, economically disadvantage, english learners, etc., etc. So, even if the school as a whole was a 5, you might see that certain groups relevant to your own family were much higher or much lower. No longer available for VA. Other than anecdotal reviews, there is essentially no useful info. on the site.

Probably better because the whole broken down by race thing didn't make sense. The score is the score. Glad to know that the DCUM bad chool boosters don't get to use that excuse anymore.

Agreed. Any school ranked lower than a 9 is simply a bad school. Enough said.

You really think there is a significant difference between the curriculum and teachers at 6 school than there is at a 9 school? No, it's the students. The students and their familial backgrounds are what determine a school's test scores, not the school.

Keep telling yourself that all you want. I am glad I was able to afford a house in a more desirable neighborhood.

You, or your husband?

Hahahaha! Any success my husband has had is 50 percent attributable to me and vice versa. We're a team! Don't be envious - it's quite ugly and I doubt you need anything to make you look any more ugly than you already are.

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I am not sure there are any expensive lilly white 99.999% white neighborhoods, maybe you are thinking about southern Virginia where there is less diversity? Every neighborhood in the DC area with a high great school rating tend to be at least 20-40% minority. Thanks for the uneducated stereotype.

In NoVa the idea is to live in a place that is 70% white, 30% asian, and 100% high SES, and to point to the asian percentage to show you are not a bigot, while hating and fearing blacks, most hispanics, and poor people of any color.

Don't be stupid, even the whitest school langley and madison still have 10-15% Hispanic or black. No school is 30% Asian.

WRONG!

Wootton HS - 34.7% Asian

http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04234.pdf

I assume what the prior poster meant was that, if there were any schools close to 70% white, they wouldn't be 30% Asian.

In FCPS, there are 19 elementaries, three middle schools and two high schools (Centreville and TJ) that are over 30% Asian, but none is close to 70% white. One of the 24 has slightly more than 60% white students (Colvin Run). So this notion that GS top-ranked schools are close to 70% white/30% Asian is not grounded in reality.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if it's just temporary for GS to have curtailed the information they provide while they revamp the graphics or whether they made a policy decision that the overall number is really what's more important. There definitely has been a lot of "we don't care if the school is a 3 because my own group is an 8" over the years, and I doubt that's the dialogue those putting money into GS wanted to encourage.

No, GS says they can't provide the subcategory ratings b/c VA is not providing the data in a format like they used to provide it. It's not an intentional decision by Great Schools.

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I am not sure there are any expensive lilly white 99.999% white neighborhoods, maybe you are thinking about southern Virginia where there is less diversity? Every neighborhood in the DC area with a high great school rating tend to be at least 20-40% minority. Thanks for the uneducated stereotype.

In NoVa the idea is to live in a place that is 70% white, 30% asian, and 100% high SES, and to point to the asian percentage to show you are not a bigot, while hating and fearing blacks, most hispanics, and poor people of any color.

Don't be stupid, even the whitest school langley and madison still have 10-15% Hispanic or black. No school is 30% Asian.

WRONG!

Wootton HS - 34.7% Asian

http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/regulatoryaccountability/glance/currentyear/schools/04234.pdf