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Loudoun is dominated by families making a solid 100k-200k a year. Not much poverty or single-person/young couple households, comparatively speaking, to drag the averages down. Fairfax and to a greater extent Montgomery is divided more sharply between the "have a lots" and the "not having much." In DC it is much worse.

There's a value judgment there, it seems, that it's best to live in a county that's one giant Toll Brothers subdivision full of people commuting to places with more jobs and more diversity. That's the essence of the exurban minsdet, as I've always understood it. If you can't run with the "have a lots," move further out so you don't have to mix with those "not having much."

It is not "if you can't run with the haves" ... What it's more like, the middle class has always been able to run with the haves. But, if you value SES diversity, you have to live I the exurbs bacause the city and close in burbs polarize their communities putting the poors in certain neighborhoods and keeping them away from the rich kids. It disgusts some people.

How do you get the SES diversity when everyone is making $100-200K a year and there is "not much poverty" to "drag the averages down"? Sounds like people in the exurbs can't agree on what they offer, or are talking out of both sides of their mouths.

Nope, the exurbs are where people run off to when they want to live in a bubble where everyone is above-average and has a shiny new house in the latest development "away from it all." It's a terrible development model because there's always one more subdivision to be built further out and no one ever bothers to make sure there are jobs nearby or a transportation infrastructure in place to support all the new commuters.

No. All new communities are required to have MPDUs, moderately priced dwelling units. Out neighborhood, for example, has approx 50 - 3 br houses that were govt. subsidized. They are dispersed throughout the neighborhood of 300 homes. It integrates the whole community.

We have 3 grocery stores close by, 3 elementary school, 3 high schools, NIH, MedImmune, Johns Hopkins ... Nobody has to go to DC for a job, mostly they work close by. If we need to go to DC the train is 5 min from our neighborhood.

Thanks for sharing but you do not live in an exurb.

Germantown, Darnestown,, Poolesville, clarksburg... Most people inside the beltway think it is the country. My community to NIH is 15 min. Same as the commute to JH, medimmune, etc.

If I mention these locations on a real estate post surely they think it is an exurb. All these locations fit what I describe.

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How do you get the SES diversity when everyone is making $100-200K a year and there is "not much poverty" to "drag the averages down"? Sounds like people in the exurbs can't agree on what they offer, or are talking out of both sides of their mouths.

Nope, the exurbs are where people run off to when they want to live in a bubble where everyone is above-average and has a shiny new house in the latest development "away from it all." It's a terrible development model because there's always one more subdivision to be built further out and no one ever bothers to make sure there are jobs nearby or a transportation infrastructure in place to support all the new commuters.

Yes, we can talk on both sides of our mouth because we can. There are very expensive and cheaper housing available. The poor do not live in the ghetto. Middle income people also do not live like that. High income people also exist. Some have long commutes, some do not. Everytime I look for jobs I see a lot of jobs in Germantown, Rockville, Gaithersburg. You would have to pay a lot more than what I am making now to take a job in DC.

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Loudoun is dominated by families making a solid 100k-200k a year. Not much poverty or single-person/young couple households, comparatively speaking, to drag the averages down. Fairfax and to a greater extent Montgomery is divided more sharply between the "have a lots" and the "not having much." In DC it is much worse.

There's a value judgment there, it seems, that it's best to live in a county that's one giant Toll Brothers subdivision full of people commuting to places with more jobs and more diversity. That's the essence of the exurban minsdet, as I've always understood it. If you can't run with the "have a lots," move further out so you don't have to mix with those "not having much."

It is not "if you can't run with the haves" ... What it's more like, the middle class has always been able to run with the haves. But, if you value SES diversity, you have to live I the exurbs bacause the city and close in burbs polarize their communities putting the poors in certain neighborhoods and keeping them away from the rich kids. It disgusts some people.

How do you get the SES diversity when everyone is making $100-200K a year and there is "not much poverty" to "drag the averages down"? Sounds like people in the exurbs can't agree on what they offer, or are talking out of both sides of their mouths.

Nope, the exurbs are where people run off to when they want to live in a bubble where everyone is above-average and has a shiny new house in the latest development "away from it all." It's a terrible development model because there's always one more subdivision to be built further out and no one ever bothers to make sure there are jobs nearby or a transportation infrastructure in place to support all the new commuters.

No. All new communities are required to have MPDUs, moderately priced dwelling units. Out neighborhood, for example, has approx 50 - 3 br houses that were govt. subsidized. They are dispersed throughout the neighborhood of 300 homes. It integrates the whole community.

We have 3 grocery stores close by, 3 elementary school, 3 high schools, NIH, MedImmune, Johns Hopkins ... Nobody has to go to DC for a job, mostly they work close by. If we need to go to DC the train is 5 min from our neighborhood.

Thanks for sharing but you do not live in an exurb.

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Loudoun is dominated by families making a solid 100k-200k a year. Not much poverty or single-person/young couple households, comparatively speaking, to drag the averages down. Fairfax and to a greater extent Montgomery is divided more sharply between the "have a lots" and the "not having much." In DC it is much worse.

There's a value judgment there, it seems, that it's best to live in a county that's one giant Toll Brothers subdivision full of people commuting to places with more jobs and more diversity. That's the essence of the exurban minsdet, as I've always understood it. If you can't run with the "have a lots," move further out so you don't have to mix with those "not having much."

It is not "if you can't run with the haves" ... What it's more like, the middle class has always been able to run with the haves. But, if you value SES diversity, you have to live I the exurbs bacause the city and close in burbs polarize their communities putting the poors in certain neighborhoods and keeping them away from the rich kids. It disgusts some people.

How do you get the SES diversity when everyone is making $100-200K a year and there is "not much poverty" to "drag the averages down"? Sounds like people in the exurbs can't agree on what they offer, or are talking out of both sides of their mouths.

Nope, the exurbs are where people run off to when they want to live in a bubble where everyone is above-average and has a shiny new house in the latest development "away from it all." It's a terrible development model because there's always one more subdivision to be built further out and no one ever bothers to make sure there are jobs nearby or a transportation infrastructure in place to support all the new commuters.

No. All new communities are required to have MPDUs, moderately priced dwelling units. Out neighborhood, for example, has approx 50 - 3 br houses that were govt. subsidized. They are dispersed throughout the neighborhood of 300 homes. It integrates the whole community.

We have 3 grocery stores close by, 3 elementary school, 3 high schools, NIH, MedImmune, Johns Hopkins ... Nobody has to go to DC for a job, mostly they work close by. If we need to go to DC the train is 5 min from our neighborhood.

Isn't NIH In Bethesda? Pretty sure that's not an exurb.

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How do you get the SES diversity when everyone is making $100-200K a year and there is "not much poverty" to "drag the averages down"? Sounds like people in the exurbs can't agree on what they offer, or are talking out of both sides of their mouths.

Nope, the exurbs are where people run off to when they want to live in a bubble where everyone is above-average and has a shiny new house in the latest development "away from it all." It's a terrible development model because there's always one more subdivision to be built further out and no one ever bothers to make sure there are jobs nearby or a transportation infrastructure in place to support all the new commuters.

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Loudoun is dominated by families making a solid 100k-200k a year. Not much poverty or single-person/young couple households, comparatively speaking, to drag the averages down. Fairfax and to a greater extent Montgomery is divided more sharply between the "have a lots" and the "not having much." In DC it is much worse.

There's a value judgment there, it seems, that it's best to live in a county that's one giant Toll Brothers subdivision full of people commuting to places with more jobs and more diversity. That's the essence of the exurban minsdet, as I've always understood it. If you can't run with the "have a lots," move further out so you don't have to mix with those "not having much."

It is not "if you can't run with the haves" ... What it's more like, the middle class has always been able to run with the haves. But, if you value SES diversity, you have to live I the exurbs bacause the city and close in burbs polarize their communities putting the poors in certain neighborhoods and keeping them away from the rich kids. It disgusts some people.

How do you get the SES diversity when everyone is making $100-200K a year and there is "not much poverty" to "drag the averages down"? Sounds like people in the exurbs can't agree on what they offer, or are talking out of both sides of their mouths.

Nope, the exurbs are where people run off to when they want to live in a bubble where everyone is above-average and has a shiny new house in the latest development "away from it all." It's a terrible development model because there's always one more subdivision to be built further out and no one ever bothers to make sure there are jobs nearby or a transportation infrastructure in place to support all the new commuters.

No. All new communities are required to have MPDUs, moderately priced dwelling units. Out neighborhood, for example, has approx 50 - 3 br houses that were govt. subsidized. They are dispersed throughout the neighborhood of 300 homes. It integrates the whole community.

We have 3 grocery stores close by, 3 elementary school, 3 high schools, NIH, MedImmune, Johns Hopkins ... Nobody has to go to DC for a job, mostly they work close by. If we need to go to DC the train is 5 min from our neighborhood.

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Loudoun is dominated by families making a solid 100k-200k a year. Not much poverty or single-person/young couple households, comparatively speaking, to drag the averages down. Fairfax and to a greater extent Montgomery is divided more sharply between the "have a lots" and the "not having much." In DC it is much worse.

There's a value judgment there, it seems, that it's best to live in a county that's one giant Toll Brothers subdivision full of people commuting to places with more jobs and more diversity. That's the essence of the exurban minsdet, as I've always understood it. If you can't run with the "have a lots," move further out so you don't have to mix with those "not having much."

It is not "if you can't run with the haves" ... What it's more like, the middle class has always been able to run with the haves. But, if you value SES diversity, you have to live I the exurbs bacause the city and close in burbs polarize their communities putting the poors in certain neighborhoods and keeping them away from the rich kids. It disgusts some people.

How do you get the SES diversity when everyone is making $100-200K a year and there is "not much poverty" to "drag the averages down"? Sounds like people in the exurbs can't agree on what they offer, or are talking out of both sides of their mouths.

Nope, the exurbs are where people run off to when they want to live in a bubble where everyone is above-average and has a shiny new house in the latest development "away from it all." It's a terrible development model because there's always one more subdivision to be built further out and no one ever bothers to make sure there are jobs nearby or a transportation infrastructure in place to support all the new commuters.

No. All new communities are required to have MPDUs, moderately priced dwelling units. Out neighborhood, for example, has approx 50 - 3 br houses that were govt. subsidized. They are dispersed throughout the neighborhood of 300 homes. It integrates the whole community.

We have 3 grocery stores close by, 3 elementary school, 3 high schools, NIH, MedImmune, Johns Hopkins ... Nobody has to go to DC for a job, mostly they work close by. If we need to go to DC the train is 5 min from our neighborhood.

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Loudoun is dominated by families making a solid 100k-200k a year. Not much poverty or single-person/young couple households, comparatively speaking, to drag the averages down. Fairfax and to a greater extent Montgomery is divided more sharply between the "have a lots" and the "not having much." In DC it is much worse.

There's a value judgment there, it seems, that it's best to live in a county that's one giant Toll Brothers subdivision full of people commuting to places with more jobs and more diversity. That's the essence of the exurban minsdet, as I've always understood it. If you can't run with the "have a lots," move further out so you don't have to mix with those "not having much."

It is not "if you can't run with the haves" ... What it's more like, the middle class has always been able to run with the haves. But, if you value SES diversity, you have to live I the exurbs bacause the city and close in burbs polarize their communities putting the poors in certain neighborhoods and keeping them away from the rich kids. It disgusts some people.

How do you get the SES diversity when everyone is making $100-200K a year and there is "not much poverty" to "drag the averages down"? Sounds like people in the exurbs can't agree on what they offer, or are talking out of both sides of their mouths.

Nope, the exurbs are where people run off to when they want to live in a bubble where everyone is above-average and has a shiny new house in the latest development "away from it all." It's a terrible development model because there's always one more subdivision to be built further out and no one ever bothers to make sure there are jobs nearby or a transportation infrastructure in place to support all the new commuters.

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Loudoun is dominated by families making a solid 100k-200k a year. Not much poverty or single-person/young couple households, comparatively speaking, to drag the averages down. Fairfax and to a greater extent Montgomery is divided more sharply between the "have a lots" and the "not having much." In DC it is much worse.

There's a value judgment there, it seems, that it's best to live in a county that's one giant Toll Brothers subdivision full of people commuting to places with more jobs and more diversity. That's the essence of the exurban minsdet, as I've always understood it. If you can't run with the "have a lots," move further out so you don't have to mix with those "not having much."

It is not "if you can't run with the haves" ... What it's more like, the middle class has always been able to run with the haves. But, if you value SES diversity, you have to live I the exurbs bacause the city and close in burbs polarize their communities putting the poors in certain neighborhoods and keeping them away from the rich kids. It disgusts some people.

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I've never thought of exurbs as wealthy! If anything I picture hicks living in McMansions. People who demand to live in a 5 bedroom house on a 70k salary.

SE DC is where you can live if that is your annual income. You will also get some assistance

Sorry but the DC exurbs are filled with people making only 70k a year. I don't think you qualify for housing assistance or food stamps on 70k. You probably get some sort of subsidy for obamacare and qualify for financial aid but that's all I can think of.

DC has sections filled with that income too. With that income your kids qualify for farms and you can go to the food bank. Reduced housing is also an option, but it takes time to get it

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I've never thought of exurbs as wealthy! If anything I picture hicks living in McMansions. People who demand to live in a 5 bedroom house on a 70k salary.

SE DC is where you can live if that is your annual income. You will also get some assistance

Sorry but the DC exurbs are filled with people making only 70k a year. I don't think you qualify for housing assistance or food stamps on 70k. You probably get some sort of subsidy for obamacare and qualify for financial aid but that's all I can think of.

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Loudoun is dominated by families making a solid 100k-200k a year. Not much poverty or single-person/young couple households, comparatively speaking, to drag the averages down. Fairfax and to a greater extent Montgomery is divided more sharply between the "have a lots" and the "not having much." In DC it is much worse.

There's a value judgment there, it seems, that it's best to live in a county that's one giant Toll Brothers subdivision full of people commuting to places with more jobs and more diversity. That's the essence of the exurban minsdet, as I've always understood it. If you can't run with the "have a lots," move further out so you don't have to mix with those "not having much."

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Loudoun is dominated by families making a solid 100k-200k a year. Not much poverty or single-person/young couple households, comparatively speaking, to drag the averages down. Fairfax and to a greater extent Montgomery is divided more sharply between the "have a lots" and the "not having much." In DC it is much worse.

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I've never thought of exurbs as wealthy! If anything I picture hicks living in McMansions. People who demand to live in a 5 bedroom house on a 70k salary.

SE DC is where you can live if that is your annual income. You will also get some assistance

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Anonymous wrote:I've never thought of exurbs as wealthy! If anything I picture hicks living in McMansions. People who demand to live in a 5 bedroom house on a 70k salary.

No 5 BR places for under 300k anywhere in Loudoun County VA.

They aren't even that common in Frederick MD or Winchester VA. Only in Martinsburg WV and Hagerstown MD are you getting that with some frequency.

Loudoun is dominated by families making a solid 100k-200k a year. Not much poverty or single-person/young couple households, comparatively speaking, to drag the averages down. Fairfax and to a greater extent Montgomery is divided more sharply between the "have a lots" and the "not having much." In DC it is much worse.

Frederick MD has a little more residual poverty due to a larger "legacy city". It is like Loudoun except the newbies are all making 80-160k a year instead of 100k-200k a year. I'll also argue the agricultural sector is more functional as opposed to boutique (*) but that is quibbling.

(*) Super-organic farms and 1%er retreats.

As for Bawlmer and DC ... Bawlmer is way too big to be a satellite city. But PP is right, they're not associated the same way that say Minneapolis/St. Paul are or other city pairings like the Tri-Cities of Bristol/Johnston City/Kingsport or the Quad Cities of IA.

But they're too close to *not* be associated.