Anonymous
06/15/2014 21:31
Subject: Re:50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
Turns out if you are shiite type of Islam, you are apostates per sunni type of Islam.
The militant group that has been ruthlessly fighting to take control of Iraq has apparently posted chilling photos on jihadi Internet forums seeming to show the executions of Iraqi security forces.
CNN cannot independently confirm the authenticity of the images purportedly posted by ISIS, the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. CNN is examining the terrain in the images, some of the signage on buildings in several of the pictures and the uniforms of the apparent victims. Those details suggest the photos are real and were taken in Iraq.
A caption on some of the images reads: "apostates heading to their hole of doom."
ISIS, an al Qaeda splinter group, wants to establish a caliphate, or Islamic state, that would stretch from Iraq into northern Syria. The group has had substantial success in Syria battling Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's security forces.
The militant group that has been ruthlessly fighting to take control of Iraq has apparently posted chilling photos on jihadi Internet forums seeming to show the executions of Iraqi security forces.
CNN cannot independently confirm the authenticity of the images purportedly posted by ISIS, the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. CNN is examining the terrain in the images, some of the signage on buildings in several of the pictures and the uniforms of the apparent victims. Those details suggest the photos are real and were taken in Iraq.
A caption on some of the images reads: "apostates heading to their hole of doom."
ISIS, an al Qaeda splinter group, wants to establish a caliphate, or Islamic state, that would stretch from Iraq into northern Syria. The group has had substantial success in Syria battling Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's security forces.
Anonymous
06/13/2014 20:34
Subject: Re:50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
The act, despite its religious underpinnings, can be manipulated into terrorism, Timothy Furnish wrote in a 2005 Middle East Quarterly article. “The purpose of terrorism is to strike fear into the hearts of opponents in order to win political concession,” he wrote.
Islamist terrorism, he said, has gone through several phases: hijacked airlines in the 1970s and 1980s, car and suicide bombs in the 1980s and 1990s. But the “shock value” of each inevitably wore off, giving way to something new “to maximize shock and press reaction upon which they thrive,” he wrote. “What once garnered days of commentary now generates only hours. Decapitation has become the latest fashion. In many ways, it sends terrorism back to the future. Unlike hijackings and car bombs, ritual beheading has a long precedent in Islamic theology and history.”
Islamist terrorism, he said, has gone through several phases: hijacked airlines in the 1970s and 1980s, car and suicide bombs in the 1980s and 1990s. But the “shock value” of each inevitably wore off, giving way to something new “to maximize shock and press reaction upon which they thrive,” he wrote. “What once garnered days of commentary now generates only hours. Decapitation has become the latest fashion. In many ways, it sends terrorism back to the future. Unlike hijackings and car bombs, ritual beheading has a long precedent in Islamic theology and history.”
Anonymous
06/13/2014 06:02
Subject: Re:50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
Yes Muslims. Make that 51 actual facts.
The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) is now effectively governing a large chunk of Iraqi territory. Considering this is a group that al-Qaeda broke ties with for being too extreme, that's a pretty big deal. Now, as a de-facto government, they have released a document aimed at civilians in Nineveh, a province in the country's northeast that contains the major city Mosul. Branded a "Contract of the City," the document contains 16 notes for residents.
Among the 16 notes are a number of rules ranging from the benign to the worrying. Here are some of the highlights (these are paraphrased, not direct translations):
•All Muslims will be treated well, unless they are allied with oppressors or help criminals.
•Money taken from the government is now public. Whoever steals or loots faces amputations. Anyone who threatens or blackmails will face severe punishment (This section also quotes a verse from the Quran (Al-Ma'idah: 33) that says that criminals may be killed or crucified).
•All Muslims are encouraged to perform their prayers with the group.
•Drugs, alcohol, and cigarettes are banned.
•Rival political or armed groups are not tolerated.
•Police and military officers can repent, but anyone who insists upon apostasy faces death.
•Sharia law is implemented.
•Graves and shrines are not allowed, and will be destroyed.
•A women are told that stability is at home and they should not go outside unless necessary. They should be covered, in full Islamic dress.
•Be happy to live in an Islamic land.
The document is signed by the "Media Office for Ninawa Province."
Where is OP? Please give us some context for how large groups of muslims believe like this?
The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) is now effectively governing a large chunk of Iraqi territory. Considering this is a group that al-Qaeda broke ties with for being too extreme, that's a pretty big deal. Now, as a de-facto government, they have released a document aimed at civilians in Nineveh, a province in the country's northeast that contains the major city Mosul. Branded a "Contract of the City," the document contains 16 notes for residents.
Among the 16 notes are a number of rules ranging from the benign to the worrying. Here are some of the highlights (these are paraphrased, not direct translations):
•All Muslims will be treated well, unless they are allied with oppressors or help criminals.
•Money taken from the government is now public. Whoever steals or loots faces amputations. Anyone who threatens or blackmails will face severe punishment (This section also quotes a verse from the Quran (Al-Ma'idah: 33) that says that criminals may be killed or crucified).
•All Muslims are encouraged to perform their prayers with the group.
•Drugs, alcohol, and cigarettes are banned.
•Rival political or armed groups are not tolerated.
•Police and military officers can repent, but anyone who insists upon apostasy faces death.
•Sharia law is implemented.
•Graves and shrines are not allowed, and will be destroyed.
•A women are told that stability is at home and they should not go outside unless necessary. They should be covered, in full Islamic dress.
•Be happy to live in an Islamic land.
The document is signed by the "Media Office for Ninawa Province."
Where is OP? Please give us some context for how large groups of muslims believe like this?
Anonymous
06/12/2014 22:33
Subject: Re:50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
Need some actual facts about the ISIS and Sunnis and Shia in Syria and Iraq.
Many of today’s most militant Islamic terror cells, including the Taliban and al-Qaeda, are members of a fundamentalist Sunni sect called Wahhabi. Since the earliest days, Wahhabis have been particularly hostile toward the Shiites. During the early 19th century, Wahhabis attacked and destroyed Shiite shrines at Mecca, Medina, and Karbala, accusing the Shiites of worshipping idols.
In 2004, a Kuwaiti sheikh, Hamed al-Ali, condemned Shia as “the world’s biggest display of heathens and idolatry,” while the former leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq, Abu Musab al Zarqawi, once said that “the Shiites are a more pernicious enemy than the Americans, and the best strategy for… Sunnis is to ‘strike their religious, military, and other cadres.’ ” The Saudis still maintain official discrimination against Shiites and vilify them in children’s textbooks.
Then, just as I thought I was beginning to gain a little understanding of Islam I stumbled onto a discussion of “The Twelve Imams” and I noted that, between 600 and 900 A.D., ten of Shia’s first twelve Imam’s died of food poisoning. Then I heard of a Wisconsin Muslim who gouged out both of his wife’s eyes because she refused to obey him. Under Sharia law, that is his right. And then we hear of insurgents in Iraq carrying children in the back seat of explosives-packed automobiles so that they can pass through American and Iraqi checkpoints before blowing them up… children and all
So what’s the point of studying any further? How could 21st century Christians and Jews ever make any sense of that?
Many of today’s most militant Islamic terror cells, including the Taliban and al-Qaeda, are members of a fundamentalist Sunni sect called Wahhabi. Since the earliest days, Wahhabis have been particularly hostile toward the Shiites. During the early 19th century, Wahhabis attacked and destroyed Shiite shrines at Mecca, Medina, and Karbala, accusing the Shiites of worshipping idols.
In 2004, a Kuwaiti sheikh, Hamed al-Ali, condemned Shia as “the world’s biggest display of heathens and idolatry,” while the former leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq, Abu Musab al Zarqawi, once said that “the Shiites are a more pernicious enemy than the Americans, and the best strategy for… Sunnis is to ‘strike their religious, military, and other cadres.’ ” The Saudis still maintain official discrimination against Shiites and vilify them in children’s textbooks.
Then, just as I thought I was beginning to gain a little understanding of Islam I stumbled onto a discussion of “The Twelve Imams” and I noted that, between 600 and 900 A.D., ten of Shia’s first twelve Imam’s died of food poisoning. Then I heard of a Wisconsin Muslim who gouged out both of his wife’s eyes because she refused to obey him. Under Sharia law, that is his right. And then we hear of insurgents in Iraq carrying children in the back seat of explosives-packed automobiles so that they can pass through American and Iraqi checkpoints before blowing them up… children and all
So what’s the point of studying any further? How could 21st century Christians and Jews ever make any sense of that?
Anonymous
06/10/2014 22:49
Subject: Re:50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
Islam at work in Egypt
The current uproar was set off by the release on Sunday of the video of the assault, which Interior Ministry officials initially said had taken place that day, during celebrations of Mr. Sisi’s inauguration.
But prosecutors said in a statement on Tuesday that the assault in the video had in fact taken place several days earlier, on June 4, when a 42-year-old woman was gang raped in front of her daughter during revelry after the announcement of Mr. Sisi’s electoral victory.
If not for the video’s dissemination over the Internet, the attack and others like it might never have reached the attention or aroused the outrage of the public. A coalition of advocacy groups said they had confirmed at least nine assaults in the crowd on Sunday, and more than 250 similar mass assaults during the 15 months ending in January.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/world/middleeast/egyptian-government-criticized-anew-over-response-to-sexual-assaults.html?_r=0
The current uproar was set off by the release on Sunday of the video of the assault, which Interior Ministry officials initially said had taken place that day, during celebrations of Mr. Sisi’s inauguration.
But prosecutors said in a statement on Tuesday that the assault in the video had in fact taken place several days earlier, on June 4, when a 42-year-old woman was gang raped in front of her daughter during revelry after the announcement of Mr. Sisi’s electoral victory.
If not for the video’s dissemination over the Internet, the attack and others like it might never have reached the attention or aroused the outrage of the public. A coalition of advocacy groups said they had confirmed at least nine assaults in the crowd on Sunday, and more than 250 similar mass assaults during the 15 months ending in January.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/world/middleeast/egyptian-government-criticized-anew-over-response-to-sexual-assaults.html?_r=0
Anonymous
06/10/2014 16:01
Subject: Re:50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, had people killed for insulting him or for criticizing his religion. This included women. Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.
After Muhammad died, the people who lived with him and knew his religion best immediately fell into war with each other.
Fatima, Muhammad's favorite daughter, survived the early years among the unbelievers at Mecca safe and sound, yet died of stress from the persecution of fellow Muslims only six months after her father died. She even miscarried Muhammad's grandchild after having her ribs broken by the man who became the second caliph.
Fatima's husband Ali, who was the second convert to Islam and was raised like a son to Muhammad, fought a civil war against an army raised by Aisha, Muhammad's favorite wife - and one whom he had said was a "perfect woman." 10,000 Muslims were killed in a single battle waged less than 25 years after Muhammad's death.
Three of the first four Muslim rulers (caliphs) were murdered. All of them were among Muhammad's closest companions. The third caliph was killed by allies of the son of the first (who was murdered by the fifth caliph a few years later, then wrapped in the skin of a dead donkey and burned). The fourth caliph (Ali) was stabbed to death after a bitter dispute with the fifth. The fifth caliph went on to poison one of Muhammad's two favorite grandsons. The other grandson was later beheaded by the sixth caliph.
The infighting and power struggles between Muhammad's family members, closest companions and their children only intensified with time. Within 50 short years of Muhammad's death, even the Kaaba, which had stood for centuries under pagan religion, lay in ruins from internal Muslim war...
And that's just the fate of those within the house of Islam!
Stop lying. Is your life this miserable? Nothing you said makes sense and is an utter lie, go scratch
OK. She should stop lying. Of course. All the rashidun died in their own beds at age 90, of old age. Karbala never happened. Hassan and Hussain lived to be a hundred years old. Ali died of, I dunno, Alzheimer? There was never any argument about who should inherit power when Muhammad died. Never. They just sat around the campfire holding hands and cuddling kittens, saying, No, I couldn't possibly! After you, my good sir!
Who's lying here?
Anonymous
06/10/2014 15:54
Subject: 50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
#13 in that list is bullshit. There is no such thing as "Saudi sultan." And the laws of nature tell us where there is one pile of BS, there's more.
None of the uncovered, and especially non-Sunni, women on that list would be embraced by the mainstream Sunni discourse on what a Muslim woman should look and act like.
None of the uncovered, and especially non-Sunni, women on that list would be embraced by the mainstream Sunni discourse on what a Muslim woman should look and act like.
Anonymous
06/10/2014 15:52
Subject: 50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
Anonymous wrote:
The thing is we Muslims do not give a rat's as.s whether you think this invalidates our religion or not, we are still going to believe what we do. We don't need a concil of nicea, we do not need anything. We are over A billion strong, and if your brain can not comprehend that there are extremists anywhere then we can't help you. We are not responsible and won't be held responsible for aNyone doing Anything in the NAME of our religion. We don't wake up daily wondering how we will atone ourselves because some lunatic blew themselves, just like you don't wake up every day wondering why some Christian Priests are molesting little boys daily.
Most Muslim Americans I know are tired of defending our faith in the wake of ongoing terrorism claimed in the name of Islam. We keep reminding our fellow Americans that there are bad apples in every barrel. That with five Muslims in one room you may get six opinions.
We point out, too, that maybe, just maybe, we're jumping to conclusions -- although in my heart of hearts I am resigned. Yet Catholics from the Irish Republican Army terrorized Great Britain for years. And a Jewish terrorist assassinated Israeli Prime Minister Itzhak Rabin. Homegrown Americans blew up the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.
Remember that terrorism is political, not religious -- and even if people who are Muslim are indeed the perpetrators of this atrocity, neither Islam nor the billion-plus Muslims in the world are all to blame. It's just a few too many deranged and dangerous criminals who don't understand that Islam is a religion of mercy. And that is something I do understand, as do most other Muslims.
Let me reiterate something I've written before: These crimes against humanity are in no way a "jihad." They are in no way a struggle or striving to do God's will. These are acts of what we call in Arabic hiraba. Terrorism. They are acts that defile Islam. Every Muslim individual and organization I know condemns these acts of terrorism, BUT of course it won't be enough, so you know what? I don't give a rat's as.s, I can't repeat myself over and over and nor can the rest of the Muslims, so we will just sit and watch together
The thing is that there's no such thing is "we Muslims". The world of Muslims, like all world in general, is torn by internal struggles. Most of the violence in the Muslim world is internal. If you read the Sunni discourse on their Shi'a brethren, well, let's just say that "love" is not the word that would occur to you.
Anonymous
06/10/2014 15:48
Subject: 50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
Anonymous wrote:
No, you did not get it from the Qur'an. The Qu'ran is in ARABIC, you got it from A translation of the Qu'ran which is one translation out of many other translations, which means whoever translated it, translated it according to their own understanding, and the words jews and christians are both in brackets in what you quoted. Just a quick fact for you that you might not have known, whenever you get a translation of the Qu'ran and you see something in brackets, it means that those words are not part of the Arabic text but were added by the translator to further explain the text. Arabic is one of the most complex languages , this makes any attempt to render the Qur'an into another language a daunting task, and explains why Muslims prefer to call non-Arabic versions of the Qur'an "interpretations." The difficulties are compounded further by the interpretive problems inherent in all translations, that is, the word-by-word demand for decisions about the intended meaning of the original and the most suitable equivalent in the target language. These issues the Qur'an itself seems to anticipate:
[Quran - 3:7 - Abdel Haleem] "Some of its verses are definite in meaning-these are the cornerstone of the scripture-and others are ambiguous. The perverse at heart eagerly pursue the ambiguities in their attempt to make trouble and to pin down a specific meaning of their own: only God knows the true meaning."
A popular story recounts how, in the time of Muhammad saw, the most famous poet of Makkah converted to Islam after reading one of its verses, convinced that no human could ever produce a work of such beauty. - Allah, may He be exalted, chose pure, classical Arabic as the linguistic vehicle for His final Revelation to mankind because of its unique capacity of retaining and conveying great depth of meaning in a multi-faceted way which is beyond the scope of any other language, particularly in the debased form which they have arrived in at the time in which we live
There is nothing unique about classical Arabic. Every language is capable of beauty and ambiguity. There is nothing in Arabic, classical or otherwise, that's "beyond the scope of any other language." That's just Arabs doing their marketing.
Furthermore, there is nothing insurmountable in the task of translating. Whatever has been said in one language can be said in another; the world's greatest poets and writers have been enjoyed by millions of people who don't share their language.
Anonymous
06/05/2014 22:04
Subject: 50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
Anonymous wrote:Catholics funded the crusades.
Therefore Islamic terrorism is excused?
Anonymous
06/05/2014 22:00
Subject: 50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
Catholics funded the crusades.
Anonymous
06/05/2014 21:27
Subject: 50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
Anonymous wrote:http://www.policymic.com/articles/89627/50-actual-facts-that-challenge-what-you-ve-been-told-about-muslims?utm_source=policymicFB&utm_medium=main&utm_campaign=social
I learned some facts that i didn't know, sharing with others
18. In the UK, Muslims are the country's top charitable donors.
19. In fact, Muslims give the most out of the world's religions...
JustGiving said religious charities such as Muslim Aid and Islamic Relief benefited most
A lot of these charitable donations fund terrorist activities.
Anonymous
05/29/2014 13:10
Subject: Re:50 Actual facts that challenge what you have been told about Muslims
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:To the people saying the Holocaust was religiously motivated: Do your research.
Yes the church participated. So did the entire country of Germany. Companies, private people, the church, everybody...that does NOT make it religiously motivated. You are sounding ridiculous if you keep making this argument, it is simply false.
And either way, this argument is invalid. Just because others do bad things does not make the bad things your religion does any better. Stop arguing that way! The only way you will ever gain the respect and MAYBE trust of people criticizing Islam is if you ACCEPT what's wrong with your religion and try to fix it. As long as you pretend everything's fine you will simply see eye rolling, shaking heads, people shrugging and turning away from you.
Okay, if you say so, It must be right. Got It!
Just felt like highlighting what I actually wrote, since you are clearly not able to even read the FIRST sentence in someone's post...
