Anonymous wrote:Seems like you just went full circle with your post, PP.

It's not a circle... It's pretty straight ... Black families pay tuition too.. Stop passing your prejudice attitude down to your kids.

FYSA, there's one non-white kid on the prep varsity LAX team...but the football team has more diversity (and some athletic scholarships).

Seems like you just went full circle with your post, PP.

Anonymous wrote:Oh geez, PP. The black kids on the football team are more than likely on scholarship. Do you have boys who play sports on a competitive level (not little kid club leagues, but travel leagues)? I didn't say all the black kids at prep are on scholarship (I have friends whose black and brown kids went to prep...actually, one was on an academic scholarship). But the kids I interacted with on the football team? And their parents? Athletic scholarships. Period. And I have a relative who is chums with coaches at GC...I assure you they have a great athletic scholarship program. Heck, I know people involved with the politics of area sports programs/travel leagues that recruit black kids in barber shops in low income areas to play for free on teams (ie: fees are waived for the super athletic ten year old to play on the team...everyone else is paying several hundred dollars for their kids). In short: coaches want to win, so they do what they can to make it happen.

PS - if you knew anyone at prep, you'd understand.

Yes, I know people at Prep and I understand, that is why I am asking you to stop teaching your kids this attitude. prep does not have the best reputation.

Yes I have boys and brothers and uncles ... You know how those large catholic families are. They are in Catholic schools all over the ADW and in Virginia too. My cousin coaches Basktball at a high level, AAU, and yes I know all about the dirty little business of recruiting and scholarships for rich kids. I know some of those scholarships are "under the table" aka personal endowment or "character scholarships". I know many kids who don't pay tuition are black. But it is the attitude if you are black and athletic that you don't pay tuition because you can't that is toxic. It's pathetic.

There are smart, rich black kids there too, but they tend to want to go to Gonzaga, Landon and Damatha so they don't get the "you must be on scholarship " attitude.

Oh geez, PP. The black kids on the football team are more than likely on scholarship. Do you have boys who play sports on a competitive level (not little kid club leagues, but travel leagues)? I didn't say all the black kids at prep are on scholarship (I have friends whose black and brown kids went to prep...actually, one was on an academic scholarship). But the kids I interacted with on the football team? And their parents? Athletic scholarships. Period. And I have a relative who is chums with coaches at GC...I assure you they have a great athletic scholarship program. Heck, I know people involved with the politics of area sports programs/travel leagues that recruit black kids in barber shops in low income areas to play for free on teams (ie: fees are waived for the super athletic ten year old to play on the team...everyone else is paying several hundred dollars for their kids). In short: coaches want to win, so they do what they can to make it happen.

PS - if you knew anyone at prep, you'd understand.

Anonymous wrote:He talked about the article and discussed local schools, had some folks call in, etc. He repeated some of what was discussed here, and he also made some ridiculous comments. Specifically: he said if you aren't a legacy at prep, then no one will ever pass the ball to you regardless of how good you are. Complete and total BS. Maybe that was the case in the 80s or 90s, but not now. I was on campus for my son's game in the fall, and there were tons of African American boys from prep working out, etc. Not legacies....no chance in hell. These kids are recruited and given scholarships so teams will win. Trust me, these kids get the ball. And he also didn't seem to understand why parents waste money for an extra year at an expensive school. It's simple (see my earlier response re rich parents wanting their subpar students/but awesome athletes to get into a good school. If you had $40k a year to spare, wouldn't you send your solid B/C student to Prep if he had a good shot at getting into Duke or Hopkins or even better? I know a kid who got a full ride to a tier 1 school with a so-so LAX program...didn't matter...his parents want the kid to get a degree from a fancy school, not play on the best college LAX team. Get it?

1. No chance in hell? Prep boys don't marry black women?
2. Not all black kids are on scholarship. It's really prejudice to assume that. Please don't pass that attitude on to your kids. Some are on scholarship so are some white kids. Most are full play. It's not the 80's anymore, we'll it is at MD,, which serious lacks diversity.

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Anonymous wrote:Seems like such a brilliant scam. Get an extra year of tuition out of families, while building the school into a sports powerhouse, which only attracts more families.

EXACTLY and the richies are dumb enough to go for it.

Hilarious. You do realize that rich people are generally smarter than the average Joe right? That is why they are rich and Joe isn't. The rich don't spend their money on stupid things, that is why they are rich. You are poor because you don't get that. Wow. Not a rocket scientist are you?

A no, we have not held either of our lacrosse playing kids back and have no plans to do so and, yes, they are both in private school in DC.

He talked about the article and discussed local schools, had some folks call in, etc. He repeated some of what was discussed here, and he also made some ridiculous comments. Specifically: he said if you aren't a legacy at prep, then no one will ever pass the ball to you regardless of how good you are. Complete and total BS. Maybe that was the case in the 80s or 90s, but not now. I was on campus for my son's game in the fall, and there were tons of African American boys from prep working out, etc. Not legacies....no chance in hell. These kids are recruited and given scholarships so teams will win. Trust me, these kids get the ball. And he also didn't seem to understand why parents waste money for an extra year at an expensive school. It's simple (see my earlier response re rich parents wanting their subpar students/but awesome athletes to get into a good school. If you had $40k a year to spare, wouldn't you send your solid B/C student to Prep if he had a good shot at getting into Duke or Hopkins or even better? I know a kid who got a full ride to a tier 1 school with a so-so LAX program...didn't matter...his parents want the kid to get a degree from a fancy school, not play on the best college LAX team. Get it?

Did the Sports Junkies talk about it too?

What did Elliott say?

Playing on an elite team at a powerhouse private enables many talented athletes who are subpar students to get into top universities and colleges, so parents are willing to go this route. To be clear: rich parents will happily pay an extra year of tuition at Prep if it means their average student son can get into Duke or a similar school. No need for a scholarship at Duke...rich parents just want their kid to get into and graduate from a good school that the kid otherwise wouldn't have a shot at. Separate but related: poor families jump at the chance for their kid to get a scholarship at a private high school (good environment, excellent sports programs, keeps them off the street) so they can get a sports scholarship for college (ideally Division I). This isn't rocket science. Holding a kid back gives them an edge athletically. This happens all over the country. I think back to when I was in HS and you could flip through the yearbooks of Prep and GC and others and you wouldn't see ANY black kids...not the case anymore.

To go a step further: I know a kid who was recruited by a public school to play a sport. He lives in one county and actually goes to school in another county. Recruited by the coach. No clue how they pulled that off. Neither parent works in that county. I don't get it.

And I heard Elliott in the morning talking about this today...guess Kane isn't the only one who reads DCUM

Anonymous wrote:Seems like such a brilliant scam. Get an extra year of tuition out of families, while building the school into a sports powerhouse, which only attracts more families.

EXACTLY and the richies are dumb enough to go for it.

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Anonymous wrote:This article is a joke. Redshirting is common at all area privates for boys -- the schools encourage it and it isn't for lacrosse. However, it isn't occurring at the middle school level, it occurs at the kindergarten level. Notice that the article never mentions when the "redshirting" actually occurs, it just (falsely) implies that it is middle or high school.

You aren't quite understanding -- these boys are DOUBLE held back. Once when they're 5.25, meaning they begin school st age 6, and then again when they're in middle school. So they are almost 2 full years (but not quite) older than some of the girls in their grade at the time of graduation.

They only do this if it does not interfere with eligibility. They have to be 18 on the 1st day of school. So they can turn 19 during the school year.

So enter K as a 5 yo, you eventually enter 12th as a 17 yo. if they redshirt once they are 18 but if they redshirt twice they are 19 ... so that does not work. But for kids that are in 9th right now started school if they were 5 by November 1st (in MoCo). So they are technically redshirted twice if they are born in September or October.

My nephew with an August Bday graduated HS at 17 and dominated Lacrosse. He got both an academic and a Lacrosse scholarship.

You got it or you don't. Let those big dummies hang back.

Exactly! My DD was early entrance in school, is 11 and plays on a 14U instead of a 12U team. The red shirting is for kids that re mediocre in academics and sports. It is really sad. Boys are graduating at 19. Lame

Seems like such a brilliant scam. Get an extra year of tuition out of families, while building the school into a sports powerhouse, which only attracts more families.

Anonymous wrote:I conceded that Mater Dei holds kids back for athletic purposes and has for decades- the point was that the "rich lacrosse parents" bit doesn't hold up even within the contex of the article itself.

Would love to hear about poor lacrosse kids. Where are they? Are you saying they redshirt too?