Ivy doesn't mean much after 10 years of experience

My cousin has over $200K in college debt in a useless liberal arts major and is busing tables at IHOP. Whomever thinks Ivy is cheap is WRONG. It's 60K a year in after tax money - meaning you have to go make $100-120K to pay for that 60K and that 60K does not include airfare, cost of parents coming up for a visit, the STUFF, the computers, etc.

My cousin has over $200K in college debt in a useless liberal arts major and is busing tables at IHOP. Whomever thinks Ivy is cheap is WRONG. It's 60K a year in after tax money - meaning you have to go make $100-120K to pay for that 60K and that 60K does not include airfare, cost of parents coming up for a visit, the STUFF, the computers, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to 2 years of NOVA and 2.5 years of GMU to earn my bachelor's 10+ years ago. I saved a ton of money doing it that way.
Funny thing is now I work with a bunch of folks that went to UVA, Ivy's, and private colleges. We make the same, have the same types of jobs, work for the same company, and I don't have a load of college debt to repay.
Who's laughing now?

Most ivy and top school graduates do not have college debt.

Those schools have so much money they can easily offer money to those who wish to attend. That's the very reason I've only done ivy .

Furthermore , the second you and your ivy colleagues decide to move on and start submitting your resumes, guess who'll have more interviews lined up?

Ivy and top school grads will always laugh longer and louder than you.

That is not true. You may have benefitted from the coffers but many have and do not. Unless it's Princeton or Harvard and non-Ivy Stanford whose financial aid programs leave you without loans, you can anticipate obtaining loans from the other Ivys if needed. I know many people who are had loans, one being my dentist who attended UPenn, nephew who was given $5000 from Brown, sister who attended Columbia, etc, etc.

I am not talking about families who attend free because they earn less than $60,000-90,000. These were staunchly middle-class families.

Anonymous wrote:I really think one of its main problems is the name. How many Americans know who George Mason was? I didn't until I moved here - unfortunately for him he refused to sign the Constitution.

Anyway, if it was renamed the University of Northern Virginia, or better yet, UVA/Northern Virginia, its name recognition and prestige would increase.

Frightening. Yes, how many Americans know our own history?

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Anonymous wrote:I went to 2 years of NOVA and 2.5 years of GMU to earn my bachelor's 10+ years ago. I saved a ton of money doing it that way.
Funny thing is now I work with a bunch of folks that went to UVA, Ivy's, and private colleges. We make the same, have the same types of jobs, work for the same company, and I don't have a load of college debt to repay.
Who's laughing now?

Most ivy and top school graduates do not have college debt.

Those schools have so much money they can easily offer money to those who wish to attend. That's the very reason I've only done ivy .

Furthermore , the second you and your ivy colleagues decide to move on and start submitting your resumes, guess who'll have more interviews lined up?

Ivy and top school grads will always laugh longer and louder than you.

After 10 years in the work force does anyone care where you attended?

Anonymous wrote:I went to 2 years of NOVA and 2.5 years of GMU to earn my bachelor's 10+ years ago. I saved a ton of money doing it that way.
Funny thing is now I work with a bunch of folks that went to UVA, Ivy's, and private colleges. We make the same, have the same types of jobs, work for the same company, and I don't have a load of college debt to repay.
Who's laughing now?

Most ivy and top school graduates do not have college debt.

Those schools have so much money they can easily offer money to those who wish to attend. That's the very reason I've only done ivy .

Furthermore , the second you and your ivy colleagues decide to move on and start submitting your resumes, guess who'll have more interviews lined up?

Ivy and top school grads will always laugh longer and louder than you.

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Anonymous wrote:This entire thread is delightful and hysterical. Let's start out the next level --

"GMU is actually more selective than Yale and most of the GMU faculty turned down appointments at Oxford. My DC who had a weekend beer-a-thon habit by 17 and has a high school B-minus average in the general program is going to GMU because it's so much more rigorous than Chicago. Columbia University is selling all its off-campus real estate in Manhattan so that it can fund ditching its curriculum and adopting the "Mason Core." The real "next half-century" crisis at Harvard is, how can they keep up with GMU? Cravath's partners who SAY they went to UVA actually went to Mason but they're trying to keep all of the Mason excellence to themselves. Discuss, incorporating personal anecdotes."

Why such bitterness? Why the need to bash the VA universities. For $9500 a year they do an outstanding job.

I agree. The Mason detractor is a complete ignoramus, as much as he would like to come across as a sophisticate. Pretty pathetic.

Are you so foolish as to think all the posts are from one person? I never posted anything in my life and have no axe to grind with George Mason. It serves its mission well. But to boost it beyond recognition does you and your school a disservice. Not to mention add credence to the haters.

Absolutely, the posts can be from one person posting from different computers, smart phones, etc, that have different IP addresses. Even the moderator has commented on this.

Wow. Just wow. Sounds like someone's a weirdo, and I don't mean anyone you're referencing.

Are you referring to the moderator and his opinion?

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Anonymous wrote:This entire thread is delightful and hysterical. Let's start out the next level --

"GMU is actually more selective than Yale and most of the GMU faculty turned down appointments at Oxford. My DC who had a weekend beer-a-thon habit by 17 and has a high school B-minus average in the general program is going to GMU because it's so much more rigorous than Chicago. Columbia University is selling all its off-campus real estate in Manhattan so that it can fund ditching its curriculum and adopting the "Mason Core." The real "next half-century" crisis at Harvard is, how can they keep up with GMU? Cravath's partners who SAY they went to UVA actually went to Mason but they're trying to keep all of the Mason excellence to themselves. Discuss, incorporating personal anecdotes."

Why such bitterness? Why the need to bash the VA universities. For $9500 a year they do an outstanding job.

I agree. The Mason detractor is a complete ignoramus, as much as he would like to come across as a sophisticate. Pretty pathetic.

Are you so foolish as to think all the posts are from one person? I never posted anything in my life and have no axe to grind with George Mason. It serves its mission well. But to boost it beyond recognition does you and your school a disservice. Not to mention add credence to the haters.

Absolutely, the posts can be from one person posting from different computers, smart phones, etc, that have different IP addresses. Even the moderator has commented on this.

Wow. Just wow. Sounds like someone's a weirdo, and I don't mean anyone you're referencing.

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Anonymous wrote:"A Bachelor's degree candidate in computer engineering can expect to earn $59,000 in their first year after graduating from GMU". Not bad. I'll take that. http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2012/10/17/tracking-graduates-wages-virginia#sthah.g15dsX7l.dpbs.

Yes but ITT grads make more than Amherst grads too. Doesn't make it prestigious.

Who's talking prestige?

If you can finish a program and get a good paying job and lead a happy productive life, who the hell cares about prestige???

Hi, are you new to DCUM? Let me show you around.

(I agree with you BTW).

It's more like welcome to the DC area. No one cares about quality of education around here. They just care what their friends will think when they post their kids' college acceptances on Facebook.

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Anonymous wrote:"A Bachelor's degree candidate in computer engineering can expect to earn $59,000 in their first year after graduating from GMU". Not bad. I'll take that. http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2012/10/17/tracking-graduates-wages-virginia#sthah.g15dsX7l.dpbs.

Yes but ITT grads make more than Amherst grads too. Doesn't make it prestigious.

Who's talking prestige?

If you can finish a program and get a good paying job and lead a happy productive life, who the hell cares about prestige???

Hi, are you new to DCUM? Let me show you around.

(I agree with you BTW).

PP here, just to be clear, I'm not saying GMU is the same educational level as those others. I'm saying in the end, what did it matter???

I went to 2 years of NOVA and 2.5 years of GMU to earn my bachelor's 10+ years ago. I saved a ton of money doing it that way.
Funny thing is now I work with a bunch of folks that went to UVA, Ivy's, and private colleges. We make the same, have the same types of jobs, work for the same company, and I don't have a load of college debt to repay.
Who's laughing now?

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Automatic admission to anyone with a Nova associates degree. Sounds real selective to me. [/quote]

Not the OP, but you do know UVA offers the same, right? Both have minimum GPAs you have to reach, but it's the same automatic admission program.[/quote]

This is correct. But it is not automatic. You must take certain courses at NoVA and reach a certain overall GPA plus get a certain grade in specified courses. It's a very good deal for a student set on UVA who can maintain the requisite grades.[/quote]

The NOVA agreement with George Mason has a required GPA which must be met; it is not automatic. Please see: https://www.nvcc.edu/depts/academic/transfer/GAA/GeorgeMasonUniversity-PU-GAA-2013-12.pdf[/quote]

lol "The minimum cumulative NOVA GPA required currently is 2.85 upon graduation effective spring 2014." So it's even LOWER than the 3.0 that it used to be!

To the PP who called VCU "renowned"... where are you from? Nobody calls VCU "renowned." [/quote]

Mason requires only a 2.85. [b]C-level grades transfer for full credit, [/b]which is unheard of elsewhere. Mason recalculates the GPA to count only the higher grade received in a repeated (such as, flunked) course. Complete joke.
[/quote]

Incorrect. Requires a 2.85 minimum, which is basically straight Bs, with allowance for a B- or two. Plus this is on a 4.0 scale, not the exaggerated 5.0 and even 6.0 of high schools today. You can's compare high school grades to college grades.

Present a 2.85 or higher cumulative grade point average (CGPA) upon application to
Mason and upon VCCS graduation. Mason utilizes the CGPA as indicated on the
official VCCS transcript. Applicants are required to submit two official VCCS
transcripts. The first transcript must be received in the Office of Admissions no later than
March 10 for fall admission or October 10 for spring admission. The final transcript
reflecting the degree conferral date must be received by the Office of Admissions no later
than the last day of the first semester of enrollment.

5. Earn a minimum of 30 transferable credits (see #3 below) from a VCCS college with
grades of A, B or C in every course. These courses must be applicable to the A.A., A.S.
or A.A.& S. degree program. If a course is repeated, the higher g[/quote]

Wrong. The NVCC-Mason transfer agreement explicitly provides for C grades transferring with full credit, even in a major, and even for core requirements. [/quote]

But it still requires a MINIMUM of 2.85 which iS A B AVERAGE, allowing for just a few B-s, possibly all great A grads and one C. But you still must maintain that A/B average to hit the MINIMUM requirement of 2.83 GPA. And that is on a scale of 4.0.[/quote]

Good job, you can do math. But, the basic concept that seems to be going over your head is that Mason believes that community college students don't even need a 3.0 at community college to get into Mason. Which is not "selective" at all, which OP claimed originally - that Mason is "more selective than UMD and UVA." Wrong.[/quote]

OP's original claim is that his DAD said GMU was more selective - and OP seemed to doubt DAD .

What's your fuss? Did you ever attend college?

And you do realize the standards of selectivity are lower for transfer students at ALL schools?[/quote]

Are you dense? The point is that Mason has a LOWER bar set for its transfer students than the other VA universities which won't take VCCS transfer students below a 3.0 GPA. So the claim that Mason is more selective than UMD or UVA is wrong. [/quote]

You've been going back and forth arguing over transfer GPAs from Nova but asks if someone's dense?

The bottom line is WHAT DAMN DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE???

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Automatic admission to anyone with a Nova associates degree. Sounds real selective to me. [/quote]

Not the OP, but you do know UVA offers the same, right? Both have minimum GPAs you have to reach, but it's the same automatic admission program.[/quote]

This is correct. But it is not automatic. You must take certain courses at NoVA and reach a certain overall GPA plus get a certain grade in specified courses. It's a very good deal for a student set on UVA who can maintain the requisite grades.[/quote]

The NOVA agreement with George Mason has a required GPA which must be met; it is not automatic. Please see: https://www.nvcc.edu/depts/academic/transfer/GAA/GeorgeMasonUniversity-PU-GAA-2013-12.pdf[/quote]

lol "The minimum cumulative NOVA GPA required currently is 2.85 upon graduation effective spring 2014." So it's even LOWER than the 3.0 that it used to be!

To the PP who called VCU "renowned"... where are you from? Nobody calls VCU "renowned." [/quote]

Mason requires only a 2.85. [b]C-level grades transfer for full credit, [/b]which is unheard of elsewhere. Mason recalculates the GPA to count only the higher grade received in a repeated (such as, flunked) course. Complete joke.
[/quote]

Incorrect. Requires a 2.85 minimum, which is basically straight Bs, with allowance for a B- or two. Plus this is on a 4.0 scale, not the exaggerated 5.0 and even 6.0 of high schools today. You can's compare high school grades to college grades.

Present a 2.85 or higher cumulative grade point average (CGPA) upon application to
Mason and upon VCCS graduation. Mason utilizes the CGPA as indicated on the
official VCCS transcript. Applicants are required to submit two official VCCS
transcripts. The first transcript must be received in the Office of Admissions no later than
March 10 for fall admission or October 10 for spring admission. The final transcript
reflecting the degree conferral date must be received by the Office of Admissions no later
than the last day of the first semester of enrollment.

5. Earn a minimum of 30 transferable credits (see #3 below) from a VCCS college with
grades of A, B or C in every course. These courses must be applicable to the A.A., A.S.
or A.A.& S. degree program. If a course is repeated, the higher g[/quote]

Wrong. The NVCC-Mason transfer agreement explicitly provides for C grades transferring with full credit, even in a major, and even for core requirements. [/quote]

But it still requires a MINIMUM of 2.85 which iS A B AVERAGE, allowing for just a few B-s, possibly all great A grads and one C. But you still must maintain that A/B average to hit the MINIMUM requirement of 2.83 GPA. And that is on a scale of 4.0.[/quote]

Good job, you can do math. But, the basic concept that seems to be going over your head is that Mason believes that community college students don't even need a 3.0 at community college to get into Mason. Which is not "selective" at all, which OP claimed originally - that Mason is "more selective than UMD and UVA." Wrong.[/quote]

OP's original claim is that his DAD said GMU was more selective - and OP seemed to doubt DAD .

What's your fuss? Did you ever attend college?

And you do realize the standards of selectivity are lower for transfer students at ALL schools?[/quote]

Are you dense? The point is that Mason has a LOWER bar set for its transfer students than the other VA universities which won't take VCCS transfer students below a 3.0 GPA. So the claim that Mason is more selective than UMD or UVA is wrong.