Anonymous
Post 02/15/2014 15:33     Subject: Re:My kid is not smart

OP,

Most people don't go to college. Find a job training program at her h.s., seriously. Focus on her learning skills for daily activities, e.g., cooking, and basic financial skills, like how to balance a check book and how to do a budget.
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2014 15:30     Subject: My kid is not smart

Anonymous wrote:Op, I an pretty smart but have such severe learning disabilities that when you merge the two together I come across as dumb, basically. Send her away to a state school. She will fail out, but will learn a ton about herself and her abilities compared to other kids.

I was much more successful at work than at school. Even with that, I still have a hard time at work and get fired from jobs for being too stupid to understand things sometimes that are a job requirement. Even into my 30's I still sometimes called my parents hysterically crying because I couldn't understand what my boss said to do. She could maybe be a bartender, a receptionist, a bookkeeper, etc. after she fails out of college, tell her she can work, go to school, or do a combo of both but she needs to be productive 40 hours a week. I took five years to get an associates degree from comm college and am an exec asst.


I cant tell if you are joking or not.

But if you aren't, don't feel bad, because I still want to cry at work every day because I don't know what the hell my boss is saying. It may not be you, if your boss is like mine, its because what they are saying actually makes very little sense
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2014 15:27     Subject: My kid is not smart

Anonymous wrote:OP, you do realize that the vast majority of college graduates these days start out at a 50k or lower salary? You're sounding really out of touch by your surprise that "only" 50k is enough to support oneself as a young adult. Many young adults in this area have roommates for the first few years after graduation and thus live can live plenty well on 50k.


Yeah I KNOW I am out of touch with this. That is why I asked!!!
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2014 15:26     Subject: My kid is not smart

Anonymous wrote:

OP - While you started out going into great detail about your daughter's low intelligence ratings and you do mention ADD, in looking at the posts quickly it was sometime before you mentioned that she has been dealing with a very serious condition with numerous medications. Does she have rheumatoid arthritis or something similar because her physical health in many ways will present limitations which must be recognized in her future ability to work as well as kind of work to be done.

I would second looking at the local community college to see what is offered as she could even take a summer school class there for general interest to see if this might be a good first setting for her to start out on college and post high education or training. All the community colleges in Virginia have excellent transfer agreements with all the instate universities. I just wonder if with her low aspect of general intelligence and the complexity of the physical condition she deals with if she may not well need a couple of more years of direct home support and a gradual transitioning to her taking care of her health care needs - as well as the aspect of support to just learn to function beyond the home and on the college campus.

And by the way having two daughters in the top 10 all the way through a third who was at the bottom of her class due to a disability, I can tell you that one in the "best and brightest" category can also have real challenges that can bring a parent to their knees. Try pulling out of college two times and finishing Summa Cum Laude and then 2.5 strong years in a graduate double masters program and wanting to do so again......Do not be so cavalier as to think that your sons just because of a high intelligence quota may not face challenges and MAY NOT have some skills to learn in daily living that your daughter may already have mastered or never face due to her own nature.

Don't sell her future short, but do some research on what is out there. Remember there is no timetable to complete college or a career training program. Volunteer work while in high school in a couple of different setting may also help her widen her horizons and hone some skills.


she has RA as one of a side effects of another autoimmune disease. its not her major disease, but she does have it, yes.
Im sure really smart kids will face challenges, too. its just not what I am dealing with at the moment. When I get to the point where my sons struggle, well, there I will be. And probably posting away on another forum rather than this one.
Thanks for the suggestion about volunteer work. We've thought of that as well, and her online school gives credit for volunteer work for specific organizations, and she is signed up for that next semester.
I think I may look into the private guidance counselor suggestion and also look into talking to someone at one of the community colleges with her. I doubt they want to spend time talking to me when shes only a junior, but maybe I will get lucky!
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2014 15:23     Subject: My kid is not smart

Op, I an pretty smart but have such severe learning disabilities that when you merge the two together I come across as dumb, basically. Send her away to a state school. She will fail out, but will learn a ton about herself and her abilities compared to other kids.

I was much more successful at work than at school. Even with that, I still have a hard time at work and get fired from jobs for being too stupid to understand things sometimes that are a job requirement. Even into my 30's I still sometimes called my parents hysterically crying because I couldn't understand what my boss said to do. She could maybe be a bartender, a receptionist, a bookkeeper, etc. after she fails out of college, tell her she can work, go to school, or do a combo of both but she needs to be productive 40 hours a week. I took five years to get an associates degree from comm college and am an exec asst.
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2014 15:20     Subject: My kid is not smart

OP, you do realize that the vast majority of college graduates these days start out at a 50k or lower salary? You're sounding really out of touch by your surprise that "only" 50k is enough to support oneself as a young adult. Many young adults in this area have roommates for the first few years after graduation and thus live can live plenty well on 50k.
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2014 15:19     Subject: My kid is not smart

Anonymous wrote:OP what is her IQ?


the two tests came out slightly differently but between 85-89.
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2014 15:16     Subject: My kid is not smart



OP - While you started out going into great detail about your daughter's low intelligence ratings and you do mention ADD, in looking at the posts quickly it was sometime before you mentioned that she has been dealing with a very serious condition with numerous medications. Does she have rheumatoid arthritis or something similar because her physical health in many ways will present limitations which must be recognized in her future ability to work as well as kind of work to be done.

I would second looking at the local community college to see what is offered as she could even take a summer school class there for general interest to see if this might be a good first setting for her to start out on college and post high education or training. All the community colleges in Virginia have excellent transfer agreements with all the instate universities. I just wonder if with her low aspect of general intelligence and the complexity of the physical condition she deals with if she may not well need a couple of more years of direct home support and a gradual transitioning to her taking care of her health care needs - as well as the aspect of support to just learn to function beyond the home and on the college campus.

And by the way having two daughters in the top 10 all the way through a third who was at the bottom of her class due to a disability, I can tell you that one in the "best and brightest" category can also have real challenges that can bring a parent to their knees. Try pulling out of college two times and finishing Summa Cum Laude and then 2.5 strong years in a graduate double masters program and wanting to do so again......Do not be so cavalier as to think that your sons just because of a high intelligence quota may not face challenges and MAY NOT have some skills to learn in daily living that your daughter may already have mastered or never face due to her own nature.

Don't sell her future short, but do some research on what is out there. Remember there is no timetable to complete college or a career training program. Volunteer work while in high school in a couple of different setting may also help her widen her horizons and hone some skills.
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2014 15:16     Subject: My kid is not smart

Anonymous wrote:She can always work at Hooters


Thank you for that.
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2014 15:04     Subject: My kid is not smart

OP what is her IQ?
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2014 15:03     Subject: My kid is not smart

She can always work at Hooters
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2014 14:57     Subject: My kid is not smart

Anonymous wrote:While I do think the op is open minded and reasonable, this whole post is so bizarre. Not everybody's smart. In my family, my mom is not that bright but hard working and did well in school; worked as a nurse her whole life. My dad is smart but joined the military and didn't finish college until I was also in college. I and my middle brother are more academic and took what OP is considering the expected route through college and grad school while my older brother went to cooking school, floated around for a bit, joined the military and ended up in private security and my younger sister did arts college and works for a designer. There are so many different paths in life! Even 15 yrs ago, when I was graduating high school, we weren't expected to know everything we wanted out of life. I think being responsible for oneself is the motivator many kids are missing.


OP. I agree there are tons of paths in life. But I also think we live in very different economic times today. You MUST get a job to support yourself, and our country is moving in a direction where our jobs are at the top and at the bottom (figuratively speaking) and the middle of the road jobs are not as prevalent. Not that they don't exist, but we are losing them. We have a huge amount of wealth, and a huge amount of poverty in our country, for that reason.
That, on top of complications with my daughter being SN, make this a more complicated situation than your average situation.

I think anyone who has a kid with SN will struggle with this when their kid is about to graduate from high school. How are they going to be successful? Support themselves? Be self sufficient? Its not a bizarre post at all, to me. It's what I am dealing with in my life right now.
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2014 14:50     Subject: My kid is not smart

Anonymous wrote:OP, how much is this disease going to affect her adult life? Is this something she is going to grow out of? Will she be able to hold down a full time job with frequent hospitalizations? Might she be a person who is on long term disability? Can she manage going away to college without you to help navigate her health issues? Sorry for the barrage of questions, but what is she going to do about her health?


Her disease is incurable, but not terminal (at least not at her stage, and we keep it under control and not advancing by having access (thank god) to NINE specialist teams who make sure it stays that way. But its not going away.
If she can keep it under control, she will have hard times, but plenty of people juggle it and hold down jobs, etc. Disability is a possibility if her disease progresses. I'm hoping it never gets to that.

Over the next 2 years, in order for her to move away to college, she would need to manage her schoolwork on her own (one struggle) as well as managing her disease on her own. And honestly she is much better at managing her disease. She has a very complex medication routine, but she manages it all on her own. She would definitely need to be close to a national medical center, and I would feel better if she was within a few hours drive from us.

Thank you for asking.
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2014 14:46     Subject: My kid is not smart

Anonymous wrote:OP, can you enroll your daughter in a private school, even one for special needs kids? It might be usefeul, as you and she think about college, to see how she manages high school. Unless her illness just makes it impossible I think it might really help her get a betetr sense of what she wants to do.


I wish. But she is in the hospital just too much to go to school. it does not work. We've tried...for years. She misses way too much and then can't catch up. I've posted about this before, as I have tried to fight to get her supports for years (recorded classes when she is out etc) but we just failed to get her any kind of support that makes it possible to juggle school and hospitalizations. And private schools have rejected US...saying they don't have resources to support a sick student. They aren't "built" for it, is what they say over and over.

Tons of families in our hospital ward are in the same boat. They go two ways: either their kids go through school failing miserably, or they pull the kids out and homeschool or do online. And frankly, which way they go really seems to depend on the family. My family has enough means for me to be able to focus on my kid's academic success, we have health insurance, etc. It is incredibly hard, but at least we can manage it.
A family we spend a lot of time in the hospital with has a husband who works for the state on highway jobs (like manual labor kind of work, maybe paving or something?) and the wife is a housekeeper at a hotel. They speak broken English and communicating with school is a struggle. They have 4 other kids, and their focus is actually surviving day to day. That young boy just gets pushed ahead every single year, with D's and F's and there's no one with the resources to fight for him.

But don't get me started on that soap box about how school systems are failing these kids. LOL I will never shut up about that!
Anonymous
Post 02/15/2014 14:43     Subject: My kid is not smart

OP, how much is this disease going to affect her adult life? Is this something she is going to grow out of? Will she be able to hold down a full time job with frequent hospitalizations? Might she be a person who is on long term disability? Can she manage going away to college without you to help navigate her health issues? Sorry for the barrage of questions, but what is she going to do about her health?