Anonymous
Post 01/17/2014 11:50     Subject: Are you sick of highly-paid teachers?
Anonymous wrote:Yeah that's right- let's pay teachers better and keep the system the same. It will all sort itself out eventually- right? If I'm a teacher that is a great model.


So you don't think that paying teachers more would bring more highly-qualified people into teaching? Why not?
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2014 11:47     Subject: Are you sick of highly-paid teachers?
Yeah that's right- let's pay teachers better and keep the system the same. It will all sort itself out eventually- right? If I'm a teacher that is a great model.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2014 11:19     Subject: Re:Are you sick of highly-paid teachers?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Maybe we need to adopt the model that Finland has. They attract the best of the best and pay for their education instead of saddling them with debt. When they are finished school, those who made it through are given a very good salary to teach. Start with the best instead of firing the crappy ones from the bottom.


That's fine if you are okay with firing all the existing teachers and replacing them with the best. There is no way that the average teacher teaching today is the "best". When I went to college, I can say 100% that education was known as the easy major too.


No, this does not logically follow. That's like saying, "If we want doctors who go into medicine because they want to help people, we need to get rid of all of the doctors, because a lot of current doctors went into medicine because they wanted to make a lot of money." First you change the incentive, then the behavior changes.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2014 11:17     Subject: Re:Are you sick of highly-paid teachers?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Maybe we need to adopt the model that Finland has. They attract the best of the best and pay for their education instead of saddling them with debt. When they are finished school, those who made it through are given a very good salary to teach. Start with the best instead of firing the crappy ones from the bottom.


That's fine if you are okay with firing all the existing teachers and replacing them with the best. There is no way that the average teacher teaching today is the "best". When I went to college, I can say 100% that education was known as the easy major too.


I think it is crazy to pay best salaries for mediocre or average. If we are going with that philosophy, then we should use either the consulting or Big Law model of teaching....up or out.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2014 10:33     Subject: Re:Are you sick of highly-paid teachers?
Anonymous wrote:Maybe we need to adopt the model that Finland has. They attract the best of the best and pay for their education instead of saddling them with debt. When they are finished school, those who made it through are given a very good salary to teach. Start with the best instead of firing the crappy ones from the bottom.


That's fine if you are okay with firing all the existing teachers and replacing them with the best. There is no way that the average teacher teaching today is the "best". When I went to college, I can say 100% that education was known as the easy major too.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2014 07:29     Subject: Re:Are you sick of highly-paid teachers?
Maybe we need to adopt the model that Finland has. They attract the best of the best and pay for their education instead of saddling them with debt. When they are finished school, those who made it through are given a very good salary to teach. Start with the best instead of firing the crappy ones from the bottom.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2014 07:24     Subject: Are you sick of highly-paid teachers?
Anonymous wrote:Actually they do. They also get laid off whenever the contracts are slow.

Please keep in mind teachers are public employees and very few state and local government employees earn "high salaries." My brother is very high up the chain in a government (not fed) position and guess what, he only makes around $65k and that's considered very good compared to other salaries. He has a MBA and works 60 hrs/week. He's not complaining about it.


Maybe he should be complaining about it.

Here's the point: if education is as important as everybody is always saying it is, then teacher salaries should be high enough to attract the very best talent into teaching. Are they? If not, then teachers aren't overpaid.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2014 04:26     Subject: Are you sick of highly-paid teachers?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Re: teachers can't supplement income. What? Tutoring, summer school and writing curriculum are all ways to supplement.


2. What summer job can teachers find that would substantially supplement their income while allowing time to take grad classes?




OMG unreal. Entitlement. Engineers would love to have time off to take grad classes too. You definitely have worked in the public sector too long.


Engineers don't work 60+ hrs a week.

Please don't go down the path and say teachers work harder than engineers.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2014 23:45     Subject: Are you sick of highly-paid teachers?
Actually they do. They also get laid off whenever the contracts are slow.

Please keep in mind teachers are public employees and very few state and local government employees earn "high salaries." My brother is very high up the chain in a government (not fed) position and guess what, he only makes around $65k and that's considered very good compared to other salaries. He has a MBA and works 60 hrs/week. He's not complaining about it.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2014 20:56     Subject: Are you sick of highly-paid teachers?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Re: teachers can't supplement income. What? Tutoring, summer school and writing curriculum are all ways to supplement.


2. What summer job can teachers find that would substantially supplement their income while allowing time to take grad classes?




OMG unreal. Entitlement. Engineers would love to have time off to take grad classes too. You definitely have worked in the public sector too long.


Engineers don't work 60+ hrs a week.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2014 20:28     Subject: Are you sick of highly-paid teachers?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Re: teachers can't supplement income. What? Tutoring, summer school and writing curriculum are all ways to supplement.


2. What summer job can teachers find that would substantially supplement their income while allowing time to take grad classes?




OMG unreal. Entitlement. Engineers would love to have time off to take grad classes too. You definitely have worked in the public sector too long.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2014 20:26     Subject: Are you sick of highly-paid teachers?
Anonymous wrote:Obviously, OP never had an inspiring, life changing teacher. We should be doing all we can to encourage good teachers to stay in the profession and to attract more good teachers. Instead, I think we are doing the opposite, and dumping on them, the profession, the schools, etc. is not going to do so.


Did you click on the link? It's a joke (literally) ... Op was supporting the point that, in fact, teachers are far from overpaid ...
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2014 20:14     Subject: Are you sick of highly-paid teachers?
Anonymous wrote:Re: teachers can't supplement income. What? Tutoring, summer school and writing curriculum are all ways to supplement.


2. What summer job can teachers find that would substantially supplement their income while allowing time to take grad classes?

Anonymous
Post 01/16/2014 19:56     Subject: Are you sick of highly-paid teachers?
Re: teachers can't supplement income. What? Tutoring, summer school and writing curriculum are all ways to supplement.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2014 19:55     Subject: Are you sick of highly-paid teachers?
To the person who taught in NY-where and when? My friend makes well over 100,000 teaching in a NYC suburb. Granted, everything in NYC is expensive, but she is quite pleased.