Anonymous
08/28/2013 22:21
Subject: When could your child do his/her ABCs and count to 10?
Anonymous wrote:This thread makes me laugh. Your kid could count to 10 at 14 months??
For those of you reading this thread thinking your kid is somehow far below average, I work with some of the brightest scientists out there (Macarthur fellows, Harvard or MIT professors, etc). Tons of them didn't even talk until 2 (or 3) or learn to read until 6. One I remember was tracked into special ed because they thought he was mentally challenged.
The other point of this thread is that "knowing" your ABCs or numbers is a really elastic term. So it's probably not the milestone you should be watching for.
Thank you.
Anonymous
08/28/2013 22:20
Subject: Re:When could your child do his/her ABCs and count to 10?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Whatever. My kid did it at 6. He had delays but now he is an honor roll student. 6 is late but 2 is hardly the norm.
2 is the norm. Some kids are earlier. Some later. It all works out in the end.
Not the poster you quoted, but no, 2 really isn't the norm. It might be the norm in 2013 in DC because people are trying to actively teach babies the alphabet and numbers. But in the world in general, 2 is very young for this.
+1. I'm from Germany and we don't make toddlers memorize letters and numbers there. Most kids, even from educated families, start learning to read in first grade.
This is actually an educational philosophy, yes? My sister went to Waldorf school where they made no effort to teach reading before I think second grade? Somehow all the children turned out not just literate, but also most are doing extraordinary things.
I am an Easten European and don't know of anyone reading before age 5. Elementary school starts at get 7. However, the curriculum is much rigorous. Doing pretty elaborate proofs starts at fifth grade.
+100.
I also don't get the "my baby could read at 3" humble brag. At some point during the 12 years of learning, the European kids pass Americans kids when it comes to academics.Not sure how it happens or even when....
It's kind of absurd. They don't let the little kids play (everything is a "teaching moment" and every toy is "educational") but then, when they actually start school, they play in it, instead of studying!
you might be right.I had a peace corps teacher from U.S. teaching us English in high school. Everything was a game.Playing games in high school?! The kind of approach wasn't for us.
Because Americans believe that learning should be fun, and science is "fun", and math should be "fun, fun, fun". I never heard a teacher in my country claim that studying is fun. Everybody understood that it was not fun, but had to be done. They have these science museums where kids play with laboratory equipment and thinks that is somehow preparing them for scientific work. Umm, no.
Anonymous
08/28/2013 22:17
Subject: Re:When could your child do his/her ABCs and count to 10?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Whatever. My kid did it at 6. He had delays but now he is an honor roll student. 6 is late but 2 is hardly the norm.
2 is the norm. Some kids are earlier. Some later. It all works out in the end.
Not the poster you quoted, but no, 2 really isn't the norm. It might be the norm in 2013 in DC because people are trying to actively teach babies the alphabet and numbers. But in the world in general, 2 is very young for this.
+1. I'm from Germany and we don't make toddlers memorize letters and numbers there. Most kids, even from educated families, start learning to read in first grade.
This is actually an educational philosophy, yes? My sister went to Waldorf school where they made no effort to teach reading before I think second grade? Somehow all the children turned out not just literate, but also most are doing extraordinary things.
I am an Easten European and don't know of anyone reading before age 5. Elementary school starts at get 7. However, the curriculum is much rigorous. Doing pretty elaborate proofs starts at fifth grade.
Which country are you from? Your experience doesn't ring true for me. I'm from Russia, and in average educated families children read at 5. I was an early starter and began at 4, many years ago.
Not Russia; from a highly educated family. I started reading at five and that was considered early. At six, I read Oliver Twist (the real book, not abridged, no pictures). Started reading Dostoevsky in sixth grade and he was my favorite author at the time. I am 40 now.
Anonymous
08/28/2013 22:07
Subject: Re:When could your child do his/her ABCs and count to 10?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Whatever. My kid did it at 6. He had delays but now he is an honor roll student. 6 is late but 2 is hardly the norm.
2 is the norm. Some kids are earlier. Some later. It all works out in the end.
Not the poster you quoted, but no, 2 really isn't the norm. It might be the norm in 2013 in DC because people are trying to actively teach babies the alphabet and numbers. But in the world in general, 2 is very young for this.
+1. I'm from Germany and we don't make toddlers memorize letters and numbers there. Most kids, even from educated families, start learning to read in first grade.
This is actually an educational philosophy, yes? My sister went to Waldorf school where they made no effort to teach reading before I think second grade? Somehow all the children turned out not just literate, but also most are doing extraordinary things.
I am an Easten European and don't know of anyone reading before age 5. Elementary school starts at get 7. However, the curriculum is much rigorous. Doing pretty elaborate proofs starts at fifth grade.
Which country are you from? Your experience doesn't ring true for me. I'm from Russia, and in average educated families children read at 5. I was an early starter and began at 4, many years ago.
Anonymous
08/28/2013 22:06
Subject: Re:When could your child do his/her ABCs and count to 10?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Whatever. My kid did it at 6. He had delays but now he is an honor roll student. 6 is late but 2 is hardly the norm.
2 is the norm. Some kids are earlier. Some later. It all works out in the end.
Not the poster you quoted, but no, 2 really isn't the norm. It might be the norm in 2013 in DC because people are trying to actively teach babies the alphabet and numbers. But in the world in general, 2 is very young for this.
+1. I'm from Germany and we don't make toddlers memorize letters and numbers there. Most kids, even from educated families, start learning to read in first grade.
This is actually an educational philosophy, yes? My sister went to Waldorf school where they made no effort to teach reading before I think second grade? Somehow all the children turned out not just literate, but also most are doing extraordinary things.
I am an Easten European and don't know of anyone reading before age 5. Elementary school starts at get 7. However, the curriculum is much rigorous. Doing pretty elaborate proofs starts at fifth grade.
+100.
I also don't get the "my baby could read at 3" humble brag. At some point during the 12 years of learning, the European kids pass Americans kids when it comes to academics.Not sure how it happens or even when....
+1. I don't know how things look today, but I was a foreign exchange student at a suburban high school in Washington state in the early 90s (today rated a 10 on Greatschools.com), and it was a joke compared to my German high school. I realize the comparison is somewhat unfair because of our tripartite school system starting in middle school, but I was pretty baffled at the reliance on multiple choice and fill-in-the-blank kind of tests, and the "essay questions" that never had to exceed one paragraph. Also, the fact that the teacher gave out study sheets that assembled all the information students needed to know in advance of the test.
Anonymous
08/28/2013 22:00
Subject: Re:When could your child do his/her ABCs and count to 10?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Whatever. My kid did it at 6. He had delays but now he is an honor roll student. 6 is late but 2 is hardly the norm.
2 is the norm. Some kids are earlier. Some later. It all works out in the end.
Not the poster you quoted, but no, 2 really isn't the norm. It might be the norm in 2013 in DC because people are trying to actively teach babies the alphabet and numbers. But in the world in general, 2 is very young for this.
+1. I'm from Germany and we don't make toddlers memorize letters and numbers there. Most kids, even from educated families, start learning to read in first grade.
This is actually an educational philosophy, yes? My sister went to Waldorf school where they made no effort to teach reading before I think second grade? Somehow all the children turned out not just literate, but also most are doing extraordinary things.
I was not talking about Waldorf schools, which only teach a minority of children in Germany (although they are more widespread than here). In regular schools, children learn reading in first grade. Only few kids attend what you guys call "Kindergarten" (Vorschule in German, literally translated preschool), so nobody is expected to know how to read in first grade (I'm actually not sure if they even teach it in Vorschule - I went to Vorschule in the late 70s and we didn't learn how to read there).
Anonymous
08/28/2013 21:39
Subject: When could your child do his/her ABCs and count to 10?
This thread makes me laugh. Your kid could count to 10 at 14 months??
For those of you reading this thread thinking your kid is somehow far below average, I work with some of the brightest scientists out there (Macarthur fellows, Harvard or MIT professors, etc). Tons of them didn't even talk until 2 (or 3) or learn to read until 6. One I remember was tracked into special ed because they thought he was mentally challenged.
The other point of this thread is that "knowing" your ABCs or numbers is a really elastic term. So it's probably not the milestone you should be watching for.
For those of you reading this thread thinking your kid is somehow far below average, I work with some of the brightest scientists out there (Macarthur fellows, Harvard or MIT professors, etc). Tons of them didn't even talk until 2 (or 3) or learn to read until 6. One I remember was tracked into special ed because they thought he was mentally challenged.
The other point of this thread is that "knowing" your ABCs or numbers is a really elastic term. So it's probably not the milestone you should be watching for.
Anonymous
08/28/2013 21:24
Subject: When could your child do his/her ABCs and count to 10?
2 and change for DD. reading fluently at 4.
Son is just past 2.5 and counts and knows the abc song, but only recognizes a few letters.
Montessori for both!
Son is just past 2.5 and counts and knows the abc song, but only recognizes a few letters.
Montessori for both!
Anonymous
08/28/2013 21:18
Subject: When could your child do his/her ABCs and count to 10?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
DD is nearly 3.5 and can sound out each letter (I have not taught her the names of letters or the alphabet song); write nearly all of them (except the M, N and W) if presented with an example; and recognize a handful of sight words: I, am, the, a, ball, etc. She can write her 5-letter name unaided.
She can count to 10, but gets the teens jumbled up, and is starting to add with her fingers.
She is going to Montessori preschool in a week, where all of this will be reinforced and built on.
Note that my older son could not do any of this at that age, and is now reading and doing maths WAY beyond his grade level. Sometimes it just clicks later.
You don't know much about Montessori, do you?!
I have spent many years immersed in the Montessori method.
My older son, an ex-preemie like OP's, with developmental delays, benefited enormously from going to a Montessori preschool. The excellent teaching there contributed significantly to his amazing progress.
Don't be so rude.
If you have spent many years immersed in Montessori, you would know that your kid's future teachers do not want you "teaching" him the way you have been. Nor do they want you to focus so blindly on random things like memorizing a song or series of numbers.
I have taught her with the Montessori sandpaper letters and numbers, the same tactile way that her AMI-accredited teachers will do at school. No memorization of songs, if you can just take the trouble to read correctly. Montessori education can very well start in the home, in fact there are many excellent books devoted to the subject. You are unfortunately displaying your complete ignorance on the subject.
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Oh, and of course Montessori education can start in the home. Just not the way you are doing it. That's why I put "teaching" in quotes.
Oh, and
Anonymous
08/28/2013 21:15
Subject: When could your child do his/her ABCs and count to 10?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
DD is nearly 3.5 and can sound out each letter (I have not taught her the names of letters or the alphabet song); write nearly all of them (except the M, N and W) if presented with an example; and recognize a handful of sight words: I, am, the, a, ball, etc. She can write her 5-letter name unaided.
She can count to 10, but gets the teens jumbled up, and is starting to add with her fingers.
She is going to Montessori preschool in a week, where all of this will be reinforced and built on.
Note that my older son could not do any of this at that age, and is now reading and doing maths WAY beyond his grade level. Sometimes it just clicks later.
You don't know much about Montessori, do you?!
I have spent many years immersed in the Montessori method.
My older son, an ex-preemie like OP's, with developmental delays, benefited enormously from going to a Montessori preschool. The excellent teaching there contributed significantly to his amazing progress.
Don't be so rude.
If you have spent many years immersed in Montessori, you would know that your kid's future teachers do not want you "teaching" him the way you have been. Nor do they want you to focus so blindly on random things like memorizing a song or series of numbers.
I have taught her with the Montessori sandpaper letters and numbers, the same tactile way that her AMI-accredited teachers will do at school. No memorization of songs, if you can just take the trouble to read correctly. Montessori education can very well start in the home, in fact there are many excellent books devoted to the subject. You are unfortunately displaying your complete ignorance on the subject.
Really, I am not. You are so focused on teaching your kid to read and write you are missing out on all of the other things Montessori focuses on with kids that age. Your kid's teachers do cumulative skill building designed to foster much subtler skills than your singleminded focus on proving how advanced your kid is. And what you are doing is no better than teaching memorization of a song.
Anonymous
08/28/2013 21:03
Subject: When could your child do his/her ABCs and count to 10?
He's 4 now and I honestly don't remember. Sometime between 2.5 and 3.5. I wish that he would learn to read because he falls asleep really late and it would help to keep him occupied, but it doesn't seem like it will happen anytime soon.
Anonymous
08/28/2013 18:23
Subject: When could your child do his/her ABCs and count to 10?
could sing the song around 2.
could identify all of them around 2.5 (mixed up b, d, p etc occasionally)
counted to 10 around 14 months.
actually counted objects to ten around 2.
he started reading at 5 (could read things like fox in box)
it all really evens out I would worry more about social things then academic ones.
could identify all of them around 2.5 (mixed up b, d, p etc occasionally)
counted to 10 around 14 months.
actually counted objects to ten around 2.
he started reading at 5 (could read things like fox in box)
it all really evens out I would worry more about social things then academic ones.
Anonymous
08/28/2013 18:16
Subject: When could your child do his/her ABCs and count to 10?
My 3yo DD could sing her ABCs and "count" to 10 at 17mos. She recognized letters in context probably by 2.5 or earlier. Now at 3.25, she can identify words like Mama, Dada, etc by sight. She associates letters with sounds and is starting to sound out basic words.
My 16 mo DS cannot sing his ABCs and I doubt he will be doing it by 18 mos. But he can hum the whole song and can hum several other songs - itsy bitsy spider, twinkle twinkle, row your boat. His speech is fine -he has maybe 50 words that most people would not be able to understand- but coming along a little later than my DD who has been definitely on the early side of things speech-wise.
My 16 mo DS cannot sing his ABCs and I doubt he will be doing it by 18 mos. But he can hum the whole song and can hum several other songs - itsy bitsy spider, twinkle twinkle, row your boat. His speech is fine -he has maybe 50 words that most people would not be able to understand- but coming along a little later than my DD who has been definitely on the early side of things speech-wise.
Anonymous
08/28/2013 17:19
Subject: Re:When could your child do his/her ABCs and count to 10?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Whatever. My kid did it at 6. He had delays but now he is an honor roll student. 6 is late but 2 is hardly the norm.
2 is the norm. Some kids are earlier. Some later. It all works out in the end.
Not the poster you quoted, but no, 2 really isn't the norm. It might be the norm in 2013 in DC because people are trying to actively teach babies the alphabet and numbers. But in the world in general, 2 is very young for this.
+1. I'm from Germany and we don't make toddlers memorize letters and numbers there. Most kids, even from educated families, start learning to read in first grade.
+1. My kid doesn't "read" at 3 because we haven't worked on it. He can memorize books but I don't kid myself that he's reading. I honestly don't know whether he knows all the letters or not. I am sure he can identify more farm equipment than 95% of the moms on here, and he is very good at interpreting radar on the Weather Channel. they learn what they are exposed to.
+2
Same with my 3yo. I really don't teach him anything. He just picks up whatever it may be that he's into. Which is construction vehicles at the moment.
Anonymous
08/28/2013 17:15
Subject: Re:When could your child do his/her ABCs and count to 10?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Whatever. My kid did it at 6. He had delays but now he is an honor roll student. 6 is late but 2 is hardly the norm.
2 is the norm. Some kids are earlier. Some later. It all works out in the end.
Not the poster you quoted, but no, 2 really isn't the norm. It might be the norm in 2013 in DC because people are trying to actively teach babies the alphabet and numbers. But in the world in general, 2 is very young for this.
+1. I'm from Germany and we don't make toddlers memorize letters and numbers there. Most kids, even from educated families, start learning to read in first grade.
This is actually an educational philosophy, yes? My sister went to Waldorf school where they made no effort to teach reading before I think second grade? Somehow all the children turned out not just literate, but also most are doing extraordinary things.
I am an Easten European and don't know of anyone reading before age 5. Elementary school starts at get 7. However, the curriculum is much rigorous. Doing pretty elaborate proofs starts at fifth grade.
+100.
I also don't get the "my baby could read at 3" humble brag. At some point during the 12 years of learning, the European kids pass Americans kids when it comes to academics.Not sure how it happens or even when....
It's kind of absurd. They don't let the little kids play (everything is a "teaching moment" and every toy is "educational") but then, when they actually start school, they play in it, instead of studying!
you might be right.I had a peace corps teacher from U.S. teaching us English in high school. Everything was a game.Playing games in high school?! The kind of approach wasn't for us.