Anonymous
08/19/2013 21:45
Subject: Re:MCPS Teacher Charged with 14 Counts of Sex Abuse of a Minor
A lack of cameras wasn't the problem here. If administrators had been doing their job and responding to complaints appropriately, this jerk would have either been fired or caught long ago. Even though I dont think cameras everywhere is the answer, dismissing this as just an unfortunate incident does not do it justice. This was systematic child abuse perpetrated on school grounds over a period of at least 10 years, with numerous missed opportunities to intervene.
Anonymous
08/19/2013 20:11
Subject: MCPS Teacher Charged with 14 Counts of Sex Abuse of a Minor
I am a professional and I REFUSE to be treated like a prisoner.
Again, let's add a camera in YOUR office. You'd be so godddamned fearful of even kicking your feet up. And what if you were pumping b/c you just came off leave? That's not intrusive? Should I send you to the women's room to pump by a toilet?
What a bunch of morons! Let's just slowly strip away our rights b/c of an incident. Let's just accuse all teachers of being pedophiles b/c one freak got caught.
And we wonder why the best and brightest don't stay.
Again, let's add a camera in YOUR office. You'd be so godddamned fearful of even kicking your feet up. And what if you were pumping b/c you just came off leave? That's not intrusive? Should I send you to the women's room to pump by a toilet?
What a bunch of morons! Let's just slowly strip away our rights b/c of an incident. Let's just accuse all teachers of being pedophiles b/c one freak got caught.
And we wonder why the best and brightest don't stay.
Anonymous wrote:Let me add two more things to my post above. Cameras will deter abusers because they will get caught. Here is an article that says cameras that are put on police cause a drop in citizen complaints by almost 90%.
http://www.policeone.com/less-lethal/articles/6191744-Study-proves-cop-cameras-cut-citizen-complaints/
It is stupid to suggest that cameras or having extra adults around won't deter abuse. You just sound foolish when you suggest as much.
Secondly, you are may be right in that it will push abuse outside the classroom, but it will be harder. That is also where parents can have more control. Trust me, most parents aren't going to drive their kids over to Mr. Joynes' house for an unsupervised play date. His only access is at school or some other kid activity.
Anonymous
08/19/2013 20:05
Subject: MCPS Teacher Charged with 14 Counts of Sex Abuse of a Minor
I never said I LOCKED myself in a room with a kid now, did I? Can you read?
How often are teachers abusing kids? Your own fucking neighbor could be abusing the 4 yo down the street. Shit happens, people!
And you're in healthcare and you claim you're never allowed to be alone with a kid? The pediatrician in DE certainly had alone time with his patients.
Seriously, how many teachers do you think are available to pair up after hours in a school of 1200+?
so many stupid people on these boards . . . Why am I still shaking head?
You make me sick with your generalizations.
How often are teachers abusing kids? Your own fucking neighbor could be abusing the 4 yo down the street. Shit happens, people!
And you're in healthcare and you claim you're never allowed to be alone with a kid? The pediatrician in DE certainly had alone time with his patients.
Seriously, how many teachers do you think are available to pair up after hours in a school of 1200+?
so many stupid people on these boards . . . Why am I still shaking head?
You make me sick with your generalizations.
Anonymous wrote:What 'rights' does the PP think will be taken away?
I am in healthcare and we are NEVER allowed to be alone with a minor without an adult present.
Why should a teacher be allowed to lock himself in a room with a student? What teacher needs the 'right' to have private time alone with a FIRST GRADER??
What about the rights of those girls to not be molested?
Ugh, this story makes me sick. This should have been nipped in the bud. There are no excuses as to why this was allowed to occur.
Anonymous
08/19/2013 00:54
Subject: MCPS Teacher Charged with 14 Counts of Sex Abuse of a Minor
It isn't that uncommon to have video monitoring at a job. Have you ever worked in retail? Most stores do have monitoring and so, both customers and workers are under surveillance.
Anonymous
08/19/2013 00:51
Subject: Re:MCPS Teacher Charged with 14 Counts of Sex Abuse of a Minor
This is my child's assigned school. The best spin I can put on this is that Starr is indifferent to child abuse in the classroom. I'm disgusted and hope nobody out there ever has to experience the arrogance, indifference, and complete incompetence that comes out when fundamental and serious issues arise in MoCo schools. I never cared much when it was BS associated with trivial policy issues, but MCPS's response to this is absurdly awful. Somebody better be held accountable. This is so awful.
Starr is an idiot. MCPS needs to hire someone who can actually run a large scale organization or it needs to break up into smaller systems. Its ridiculous to have someone like this leading the school system into the ground. You can't go 3 weeks without another MCPS scandal hitting the press that was completely avoidable with good leadership and effective operations.
There is no reason why a policy can not be put in place disallowing teachers from being alone with students. The principal should get fired if someone reports that a teacher has a child in their room with the door locked. There also is no reason for special lunch bunches or allowing situations that led to this.
Anonymous
08/19/2013 00:47
Subject: Re:MCPS Teacher Charged with 14 Counts of Sex Abuse of a Minor
Anonymous wrote:And more importantly, were all of the parents of the children who were in that locked room with him told about the incident and given an opportunity to decide whether or not to allow that creep to continue having contact with their children?
Yes, this!! I'm not at the school, but the parents should have been notified immediately. Werethe parents asked if it was okay that their daughters were even in this 'lunch bunch'?
Anonymous
08/19/2013 00:01
Subject: MCPS Teacher Charged with 14 Counts of Sex Abuse of a Minor
Let me add two more things to my post above. Cameras will deter abusers because they will get caught. Here is an article that says cameras that are put on police cause a drop in citizen complaints by almost 90%.
http://www.policeone.com/less-lethal/articles/6191744-Study-proves-cop-cameras-cut-citizen-complaints/
It is stupid to suggest that cameras or having extra adults around won't deter abuse. You just sound foolish when you suggest as much.
Secondly, you are may be right in that it will push abuse outside the classroom, but it will be harder. That is also where parents can have more control. Trust me, most parents aren't going to drive their kids over to Mr. Joynes' house for an unsupervised play date. His only access is at school or some other kid activity.
http://www.policeone.com/less-lethal/articles/6191744-Study-proves-cop-cameras-cut-citizen-complaints/
It is stupid to suggest that cameras or having extra adults around won't deter abuse. You just sound foolish when you suggest as much.
Secondly, you are may be right in that it will push abuse outside the classroom, but it will be harder. That is also where parents can have more control. Trust me, most parents aren't going to drive their kids over to Mr. Joynes' house for an unsupervised play date. His only access is at school or some other kid activity.
Anonymous
08/18/2013 23:52
Subject: MCPS Teacher Charged with 14 Counts of Sex Abuse of a Minor
Anonymous wrote:Do you work? It appears as though you don't.
If I'm wrong, then let's put a video camera in your office so we can see you picking your nose and listen to you fart and burp whenever the urge hits.
You don't get it.
Yes, there are fucking freaks of nature in the classrooms, but the majority of teachers are not in that category.
When I read posts like this, I often think that the PPs were abused themselves but never fully came to terms with that. So now there's this obsession with becoming Big Brother by creating a controlled environment where everyone is under scrutiny.
just plain weird . . .
I teach. I work with quite a few dedicated individuals who would NEVER harm a child.
I fail to see how this need to spy on teachers will stop abuse from happening. If people are predators, they will find a way to abuse kids OUTSIDE of the classroom.
And honestly, PP, do you THINK teachers are fondling kids during an English lesson?
And we wonder why this country is falling apart????
Anonymous wrote:
What 'right' are you talking about? The right to be alone with kids in your classroom without anyone looking at you. I guess I disagree. I think the rights of children to have a safe environment are also important. There needs to be some check or control point on the teacher, whether it is having other adults present or cameras or something. I am open to suggestions.
Also,
- If a concern is raised, no one at the school should make the call on whether an investigation should take place.
- Teachers should not be allowed to socialize with students outside of school related activities.
- There should be lots of ongoing training and awareness campaigns for teachers, staff, students, and parents.
It is pretty clear to me that in sports, churches, schools and other places where children are overseen by unrelated adults, you will find child predators. They fish where the fish congregate. We can't live in a dream world about this. I don't think MCPS is focused on this issue, though. That guy Starnes still teaches at Kemp Mill ES, afterall.
Calm Down Ms. Trunchbull. Stop exaggerating. No one is accusing ALL teachers of child abuse. No one is accusing the majority of teachers. No one is accusing your dedicated friend teachers. It probably is just a handful of teachers. We get it.
In my opinion, you do not have a right to put a bunch of kids in a public room and demand that no one can watch you interact with those kids. The fact that it doesn't happen, doesn't mean it can't happen.
By the way, yes I do work and yes many employers do have cameras and other monitoring capabilities on their employees. It turns out that when you work for someone, they are allowed to check to see that you are doing your job properly. Go figure.
If you want to burp or fart in private, then stay at home.
Anonymous
08/18/2013 21:50
Subject: Re:MCPS Teacher Charged with 14 Counts of Sex Abuse of a Minor
And more importantly, were all of the parents of the children who were in that locked room with him told about the incident and given an opportunity to decide whether or not to allow that creep to continue having contact with their children? This is not just a question of whether an investigation was warranted. The principal made that decision for the parents. This story is less about a disgusting predator, and more about an arrogant school administration that thinks it can shrug off liability for things it allowed to happen. Do I really care if 2.0 is effective if you're letting your teachers abuse my children?
Anonymous
08/18/2013 21:31
Subject: MCPS Teacher Charged with 14 Counts of Sex Abuse of a Minor
What 'rights' does the PP think will be taken away?
I am in healthcare and we are NEVER allowed to be alone with a minor without an adult present.
Why should a teacher be allowed to lock himself in a room with a student? What teacher needs the 'right' to have private time alone with a FIRST GRADER??
What about the rights of those girls to not be molested?
Ugh, this story makes me sick. This should have been nipped in the bud. There are no excuses as to why this was allowed to occur.
I am in healthcare and we are NEVER allowed to be alone with a minor without an adult present.
Why should a teacher be allowed to lock himself in a room with a student? What teacher needs the 'right' to have private time alone with a FIRST GRADER??
What about the rights of those girls to not be molested?
Ugh, this story makes me sick. This should have been nipped in the bud. There are no excuses as to why this was allowed to occur.
Anonymous
08/18/2013 20:44
Subject: Re:MCPS Teacher Charged with 14 Counts of Sex Abuse of a Minor
This is my child's assigned school. The best spin I can put on this is that Starr is indifferent to child abuse in the classroom. I'm disgusted and hope nobody out there ever has to experience the arrogance, indifference, and complete incompetence that comes out when fundamental and serious issues arise in MoCo schools. I never cared much when it was BS associated with trivial policy issues, but MCPS's response to this is absurdly awful. Somebody better be held accountable. This is so awful.
Anonymous
08/18/2013 20:34
Subject: MCPS Teacher Charged with 14 Counts of Sex Abuse of a Minor
Do you work? It appears as though you don't.
If I'm wrong, then let's put a video camera in your office so we can see you picking your nose and listen to you fart and burp whenever the urge hits.
You don't get it.
Yes, there are fucking freaks of nature in the classrooms, but the majority of teachers are not in that category.
When I read posts like this, I often think that the PPs were abused themselves but never fully came to terms with that. So now there's this obsession with becoming Big Brother by creating a controlled environment where everyone is under scrutiny.
just plain weird . . .
I teach. I work with quite a few dedicated individuals who would NEVER harm a child.
I fail to see how this need to spy on teachers will stop abuse from happening. If people are predators, they will find a way to abuse kids OUTSIDE of the classroom.
And honestly, PP, do you THINK teachers are fondling kids during an English lesson?
And we wonder why this country is falling apart????
What 'right' are you talking about? The right to be alone with kids in your classroom without anyone looking at you. I guess I disagree. I think the rights of children to have a safe environment are also important. There needs to be some check or control point on the teacher, whether it is having other adults present or cameras or something. I am open to suggestions.
Also,
- If a concern is raised, no one at the school should make the call on whether an investigation should take place.
- Teachers should not be allowed to socialize with students outside of school related activities.
- There should be lots of ongoing training and awareness campaigns for teachers, staff, students, and parents.
It is pretty clear to me that in sports, churches, schools and other places where children are overseen by unrelated adults, you will find child predators. They fish where the fish congregate. We can't live in a dream world about this. I don't think MCPS is focused on this issue, though. That guy Starnes still teaches at Kemp Mill ES, afterall.
If I'm wrong, then let's put a video camera in your office so we can see you picking your nose and listen to you fart and burp whenever the urge hits.
You don't get it.
Yes, there are fucking freaks of nature in the classrooms, but the majority of teachers are not in that category.
When I read posts like this, I often think that the PPs were abused themselves but never fully came to terms with that. So now there's this obsession with becoming Big Brother by creating a controlled environment where everyone is under scrutiny.
just plain weird . . .
I teach. I work with quite a few dedicated individuals who would NEVER harm a child.
I fail to see how this need to spy on teachers will stop abuse from happening. If people are predators, they will find a way to abuse kids OUTSIDE of the classroom.
And honestly, PP, do you THINK teachers are fondling kids during an English lesson?
And we wonder why this country is falling apart????
Anonymous wrote:
What 'right' are you talking about? The right to be alone with kids in your classroom without anyone looking at you. I guess I disagree. I think the rights of children to have a safe environment are also important. There needs to be some check or control point on the teacher, whether it is having other adults present or cameras or something. I am open to suggestions.
Also,
- If a concern is raised, no one at the school should make the call on whether an investigation should take place.
- Teachers should not be allowed to socialize with students outside of school related activities.
- There should be lots of ongoing training and awareness campaigns for teachers, staff, students, and parents.
It is pretty clear to me that in sports, churches, schools and other places where children are overseen by unrelated adults, you will find child predators. They fish where the fish congregate. We can't live in a dream world about this. I don't think MCPS is focused on this issue, though. That guy Starnes still teaches at Kemp Mill ES, afterall.
Anonymous
08/18/2013 17:57
Subject: MCPS Teacher Charged with 14 Counts of Sex Abuse of a Minor
Correction: Starnes is the principal at Kemp Mill.
Anonymous
08/18/2013 17:56
Subject: MCPS Teacher Charged with 14 Counts of Sex Abuse of a Minor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What about video cameras in the classrooms?
It's not secret that principals can and do listen to teachers on the intercom. Add to it the cameras and many teachers will feel completely nervous and won't be able to do a good job.
This is completely untrue.
We have an intercom we use if we need something/someone - security, for example, to escort a child out, or to tell the office if a sub hasn't shown up. But principals don't push a button and suddenly *** POOF *** they can magically hear what's going on.
We have cameras in the hallways that record actions and have caught several students up to no good. But that's about it.
I don't agree with cameras in the classroom. Unfortunately, if that does happen, teachers - like people slowing down by speed cameras - will eventually get used to the intrusion. And slowly and gradually our rights will be taken away from us . . . and no one will notice.
What 'right' are you talking about? The right to be alone with kids in your classroom without anyone looking at you. I guess I disagree. I think the rights of children to have a safe environment are also important. There needs to be some check or control point on the teacher, whether it is having other adults present or cameras or something. I am open to suggestions.
Also,
- If a concern is raised, no one at the school should make the call on whether an investigation should take place.
- Teachers should not be allowed to socialize with students outside of school related activities.
- There should be lots of ongoing training and awareness campaigns for teachers, staff, students, and parents.
It is pretty clear to me that in sports, churches, schools and other places where children are overseen by unrelated adults, you will find child predators. They fish where the fish congregate. We can't live in a dream world about this. I don't think MCPS is focused on this issue, though. That guy Starnes still teaches at Kemp Mill ES, afterall.
Anonymous
08/18/2013 10:47
Subject: MCPS Teacher Charged with 14 Counts of Sex Abuse of a Minor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What about video cameras in the classrooms?
It's not secret that principals can and do listen to teachers on the intercom. Add to it the cameras and many teachers will feel completely nervous and won't be able to do a good job.
This is completely untrue.
We have an intercom we use if we need something/someone - security, for example, to escort a child out, or to tell the office if a sub hasn't shown up. But principals don't push a button and suddenly *** POOF *** they can magically hear what's going on.
We have cameras in the hallways that record actions and have caught several students up to no good. But that's about it.
I don't agree with cameras in the classroom. Unfortunately, if that does happen, teachers - like people slowing down by speed cameras - will eventually get used to the intrusion. And slowly and gradually our rights will be taken away from us . . . and no one will notice.