Anonymous wrote:
I think he is right that they are not a 501 c 4 but the point remains that Tea Party groups endorse candidates. They hold rallies for candidates. They distribute literature for candidates. We all know this, and I don't know why anyone would pretend otherwise.


Some Tea Party groups are PACS and some are not. They are individual organizations. Some are small and some are large. The common thread is that they want low taxes and smaller government.



Wrong common thread. The common thread is FreedomWorks and the Koch Brothers money. Tea Party is largely an astroturf effort whose efforts didn't understand how they were being manipulated by others.

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/FreedomWorks

strongly disagree. How many Tea Party people do you know personally?

Anonymous wrote:

I think he is right that they are not a 501 c 4 but the point remains that Tea Party groups endorse candidates. They hold rallies for candidates. They distribute literature for candidates. We all know this, and I don't know why anyone would pretend otherwise.

Some Tea Party groups are PACS and some are not. They are individual organizations. Some are small and some are large. The common thread is that they want low taxes and smaller government.

Wrong common thread. The common thread is FreedomWorks and the Koch Brothers money. Tea Party is largely an astroturf effort whose efforts didn't understand how they were being manipulated by others.

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/FreedomWorks

How many Republicans are helped by the Sierra Club or moveon.org?

Anonymous wrote:

I think he is right that they are not a 501 c 4 but the point remains that Tea Party groups endorse candidates. They hold rallies for candidates. They distribute literature for candidates. We all know this, and I don't know why anyone would pretend otherwise.

Some Tea Party groups are PACS and some are not. They are individual organizations. Some are small and some are large. The common thread is that they want low taxes and smaller government.

Which ones don't hold rallies for Republicans? And do you know any who support Democrats?

I think he is right that they are not a 501 c 4 but the point remains that Tea Party groups endorse candidates. They hold rallies for candidates. They distribute literature for candidates. We all know this, and I don't know why anyone would pretend otherwise.

Some Tea Party groups are PACS and some are not. They are individual organizations. Some are small and some are large. The common thread is that they want low taxes and smaller government.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Today's front page of the Tea Party Express web site


http://www.irehr.org/issue-areas/tea-party-nationalism/tea-party-news-and-analysis/item/442-tea-party-endorsed-candidates-and-election-2012

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_Caucus#Members.2C_113th_Congress

You must have missed the part at the bottom where it says that donations to Tea Party Express are NOT tax deductible! This is a PAC.

You don't appear to be aware that no donations to 501(c)(4) organizations are tax deductible. The organizations themselves are tax exempt, but only donations to 501(c)(3) organizations are tax deductible.

I think he is right that they are not a 501 c 4 but the point remains that Tea Party groups endorse candidates. They hold rallies for candidates. They distribute literature for candidates. We all know this, and I don't know why anyone would pretend otherwise.

Anonymous wrote:The conservative groups filing were not directly endorsing, they were issue based like planned parenthood or green peace . Get it?

Tea Party groups constantly endorse candidates. Did you get hit on the head recently???

Anonymous wrote:The conservative groups filing were not directly endorsing, they were issue based like planned parenthood or green peace . Get it?

Not true at all.

http://www.propublica.org/article/six-facts-lost-in-irs-scandal

"As part of our reporting on dark money in 2012, ProPublica looked at more than 100 applications for IRS recognition. One thing we noted again and again: Groups sometimes tell the IRS that they are not going to spend money on elections, receive IRS recognition, and then turn around and spend money on elections."

"The American Future Fund, a conservative nonprofit that would go on to spend millions of dollars on campaign ads, checked “No”in answer to that question in 2008."

"Even before mailing its application to the IRS saying it would not spend money on elections in 2010, the Alliance for America’s Future was running TV ads supporting Republican candidates for governor in Nevada and Florida. It also had given $133,000 to two political committees directed by Mary Cheney, the daughter of the former vice president.

Another example of this is the Government Integrity Fund, a conservative nonprofit that ran ads in last year’s U.S. Senate race in Ohio. Its application was approved after it told the IRS that it would not spend money on politics. The group went on to do just that."

^^^^ that's why all the covering up, apologizing, staged and planned info releases and stonewalling.

The conservative groups filing were not directly endorsing, they were issue based like planned parenthood or green peace . Get it?

Anonymous wrote:

Today's front page of the Tea Party Express web site


http://www.irehr.org/issue-areas/tea-party-nationalism/tea-party-news-and-analysis/item/442-tea-party-endorsed-candidates-and-election-2012

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_Caucus#Members.2C_113th_Congress

You must have missed the part at the bottom where it says that donations to Tea Party Express are NOT tax deductible! This is a PAC.

You don't appear to be aware that no donations to 501(c)(4) organizations are tax deductible. The organizations themselves are tax exempt, but only donations to 501(c)(3) organizations are tax deductible.

Today's front page of the Tea Party Express web site


http://www.irehr.org/issue-areas/tea-party-nationalism/tea-party-news-and-analysis/item/442-tea-party-endorsed-candidates-and-election-2012

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_Caucus#Members.2C_113th_Congress

You must have missed the part at the bottom where it says that donations to Tea Party Express are NOT tax deductible! This is a PAC.

Anonymous wrote:

I know it is hard to believe, but we can actually expect the government of this country to treat people of different political affiliations the same. How do you not get this. The issue is disparate treatment. The IRS has already acknowledged it. The issue that is in the news is not that the IRS is screening groups to ensure 501 compliance. They selected the conservative groups.

Come on, your not being serious. You know this. Why are you debating some straw man?

Because that is what 3rd string partisan political hacks do in backwater forums like this one. The Washington Post, Obama and pretty much every single other person in the world has had the sense to get out of the way of this moving train. Six months from now this same idiot will still be defending the IRS and say that they were only doing their job and that there were no political motivations involved. Nope not a single one. None.

Political common sense does not define what is right. The IRS might have screwed up the approach, but it's hard to argue that these groups should be 501 (c) (4)'s. Y'all have been bragging about how much influence they have had over elections, how "Tea Party Candidates" did so well... on this board for years. And now suddenly it's "candidates? what candidates? We are a canasta club, and actually hundreds of separate canasta clubs".

I know it is hard to believe, but we can actually expect the government of this country to treat people of different political affiliations the same. How do you not get this. The issue is disparate treatment. The IRS has already acknowledged it. The issue that is in the news is not that the IRS is screening groups to ensure 501 compliance. They selected the conservative groups.

Come on, your not being serious. You know this. Why are you debating some straw man?

Because that is what 3rd string partisan political hacks do in backwater forums like this one. The Washington Post, Obama and pretty much every single other person in the world has had the sense to get out of the way of this moving train. Six months from now this same idiot will still be defending the IRS and say that they were only doing their job and that there were no political motivations involved. Nope not a single one. None.

Anonymous wrote:

The list of politicians who have proudly claimed to be Tea Party candidates is far too long to airbrush out of history

There is no one Tea Party. It is a lot of grassroots organizations.

Today's front page of the Tea Party Express web site


http://www.irehr.org/issue-areas/tea-party-nationalism/tea-party-news-and-analysis/item/442-tea-party-endorsed-candidates-and-election-2012

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_Caucus#Members.2C_113th_Congress