Anonymous
05/22/2013 14:28
Subject: Report Residency Fraud (non resident cheaters)
Anonymous wrote:PP here,
Anonymous wrote:Sigh, you must be a DC resident. You can prove this by showing a paystub. But your body needs to reside in DC, whether you rent, own, pay property taxes, income taxes, qualify for services, etc. Your body and the child's body need to keep themselves and their stuff in DC. Why is this so hard?
Actually, I asked a lawyer about this for a situation that never came to pass, and he said that: [Pain Legal opinion] as long as you "Maintain a Residence" in DC, you qualify.
you can keep an apt that you never use in the farthest reaches of DC and stay in a mansion in Mclean, and you can claim dc residency. [/Paid Legal Opinion]
[My Opinion] Ultimately, DC taxes are what pay for the school, so if the person has a paycheck in DC, they are paying for the school. If they own a home in DC and don't claim homestead, they are actually paying more taxes, so I wouldn't even say that homeownership is the defining quality.
[/My Opinion]
I don't have a dog in this fight, but I do find the pettiness amusing.
I think it is safe to say that most of the residency fraud in DC is not being committed by people who are paying DC income tax but residing in another state.
Anonymous
05/22/2013 13:33
Subject: Report Residency Fraud (non resident cheaters)
Anonymous wrote: Additionally, their paychecks are not "going to DC" because they will pay income tax in the state where they reside
The PP said that their paychecks were going to a DC address, which means that they are paying income tax to DC, because as far as their employers are concerned, they reside in DC.
Anonymous
05/22/2013 13:26
Subject: Report Residency Fraud (non resident cheaters)
PP here,
Actually, I asked a lawyer about this for a situation that never came to pass, and he said that: [Pain Legal opinion] as long as you "Maintain a Residence" in DC, you qualify.
you can keep an apt that you never use in the farthest reaches of DC and stay in a mansion in Mclean, and you can claim dc residency. [/Paid Legal Opinion]
[My Opinion] Ultimately, DC taxes are what pay for the school, so if the person has a paycheck in DC, they are paying for the school. If they own a home in DC and don't claim homestead, they are actually paying more taxes, so I wouldn't even say that homeownership is the defining quality.
[/My Opinion]
I don't have a dog in this fight, but I do find the pettiness amusing.
Anonymous wrote:Sigh, you must be a DC resident. You can prove this by showing a paystub. But your body needs to reside in DC, whether you rent, own, pay property taxes, income taxes, qualify for services, etc. Your body and the child's body need to keep themselves and their stuff in DC. Why is this so hard?
Actually, I asked a lawyer about this for a situation that never came to pass, and he said that: [Pain Legal opinion] as long as you "Maintain a Residence" in DC, you qualify.
you can keep an apt that you never use in the farthest reaches of DC and stay in a mansion in Mclean, and you can claim dc residency. [/Paid Legal Opinion]
[My Opinion] Ultimately, DC taxes are what pay for the school, so if the person has a paycheck in DC, they are paying for the school. If they own a home in DC and don't claim homestead, they are actually paying more taxes, so I wouldn't even say that homeownership is the defining quality.
[/My Opinion]
I don't have a dog in this fight, but I do find the pettiness amusing.
Anonymous
05/22/2013 12:28
Subject: Report Residency Fraud (non resident cheaters)
Sigh, you must be a DC resident. You can prove this by showing a paystub. But your body needs to reside in DC, whether you rent, own, pay property taxes, income taxes, qualify for services, etc. Your body and the child's body need to keep themselves and their stuff in DC. Why is this so hard?
Anonymous
05/22/2013 12:22
Subject: Report Residency Fraud (non resident cheaters)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote: There are cases where people let their paychecks go to the DC address, have a drivers license in dc but renting in MD.
If their paychecks are going to DC, then they are paying DC taxes and as far as I'm concerned, they can send DC to DCPS.
I couldn't care less if they sleep in Alaska, if their money is going to DCPS, then so can their children.
And you would be wrong. They need to be paying DC property taxes. And the grandmother paying DC property taxes does not qualify the non-resident grandchild for DCPS. If they want the child to go to school, then the child should live with her grandmother. Additionally, their paychecks are not "going to DC" because they will pay income tax in the state where they reside, not where they drop their children off for before/after care at Grandma's house.
The DCPS is very clear that THEY consider where the children sleep as relevant to whether a child is a DC resident and hence eligible for the school. In this case, the child is a resident from outside and should have to pay tuition to attend the DC school or just go to school where they live.
They won't pay DC property tax if they lived in an apartment.
Anonymous
05/22/2013 12:21
Subject: Report Residency Fraud (non resident cheaters)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote: There are cases where people let their paychecks go to the DC address, have a drivers license in dc but renting in MD.
If their paychecks are going to DC, then they are paying DC taxes and as far as I'm concerned, they can send DC to DCPS.
I couldn't care less if they sleep in Alaska, if their money is going to DCPS, then so can their children.
And you would be wrong. They need to be paying DC property taxes. And the grandmother paying DC property taxes does not qualify the non-resident grandchild for DCPS. If they want the child to go to school, then the child should live with her grandmother. Additionally, their paychecks are not "going to DC" because they will pay income tax in the state where they reside, not where they drop their children off for before/after care at Grandma's house.
The DCPS is very clear that THEY consider where the children sleep as relevant to whether a child is a DC resident and hence eligible for the school. In this case, the child is a resident from outside and should have to pay tuition to attend the DC school or just go to school where they live.
Anonymous
05/22/2013 12:19
Subject: Report Residency Fraud (non resident cheaters)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:9:17, please be careful with reporting your neighbor since you possibly might be the only one with complete knowledge of the situation.
I did something similiar and reported through an app on my phone. Instead of putting the homeowner's information on the paperwork, the county erroneously put my contact information on the paperwork. I was mortified when I found out that the anonymous reporting procedures where not so anonymous. Nothing like being confronted by a drug addict.
You the online form to report. I am sure there are more houses/apartment near by whith people who also see this happening.
That was supposed to say USE not You
Anonymous
05/22/2013 12:16
Subject: Report Residency Fraud (non resident cheaters)
Anonymous wrote:9:17, please be careful with reporting your neighbor since you possibly might be the only one with complete knowledge of the situation.
I did something similiar and reported through an app on my phone. Instead of putting the homeowner's information on the paperwork, the county erroneously put my contact information on the paperwork. I was mortified when I found out that the anonymous reporting procedures where not so anonymous. Nothing like being confronted by a drug addict.
You the online form to report. I am sure there are more houses/apartment near by whith people who also see this happening.
Anonymous
05/22/2013 12:05
Subject: Report Residency Fraud (non resident cheaters)
^^ and this is the problem and the reason why DCPS/OSSE should be on the ball instead of expecting us to turn people in.
Anonymous
05/22/2013 11:48
Subject: Report Residency Fraud (non resident cheaters)
9:17, please be careful with reporting your neighbor since you possibly might be the only one with complete knowledge of the situation.
I did something similiar and reported through an app on my phone. Instead of putting the homeowner's information on the paperwork, the county erroneously put my contact information on the paperwork. I was mortified when I found out that the anonymous reporting procedures where not so anonymous. Nothing like being confronted by a drug addict.
I did something similiar and reported through an app on my phone. Instead of putting the homeowner's information on the paperwork, the county erroneously put my contact information on the paperwork. I was mortified when I found out that the anonymous reporting procedures where not so anonymous. Nothing like being confronted by a drug addict.
Anonymous
05/22/2013 11:46
Subject: Report Residency Fraud (non resident cheaters)
Anonymous wrote: There are cases where people let their paychecks go to the DC address, have a drivers license in dc but renting in MD.
If their paychecks are going to DC, then they are paying DC taxes and as far as I'm concerned, they can send DC to DCPS.
I couldn't care less if they sleep in Alaska, if their money is going to DCPS, then so can their children.
Anonymous
05/22/2013 11:36
Subject: Report Residency Fraud (non resident cheaters)
Anonymous wrote:I watch my neighbor's granddaughter get dropped off every morning by her mother (MD plates). Grandmother drives her to school, oob by the way, and brings her home every afternoon. Then I watch mother pick her up in the evening to "go home". What would you call this? Yes, she is being looked after by her grandmother, but she does not "live" with her grandmother since this is a weekday-only thing.
I'm not cruel or stupid enough (grandmother has a short fuse) to bring this to the attention of DCPS. Plus it woul db e hard for me to prove without being a complete stalker. But it stinks, because they have a slot in a good school and my other neighbors are fighting to find any other school than our ib one.
this is cheating. you do not have to investigate or prove anything. you can simply report (and the report will be anonynmous, based on my understanding) to DCPS and they will take it from there. DCPS should investigate and take care of the situation
Anonymous
05/22/2013 10:35
Subject: Report Residency Fraud (non resident cheaters)
You do not have to prove it. You just report the info you have. Child's name, grandparent name, mother's tag number and school. You can do it without giving up your information.
OSSE will do the investigating.
OSSE will do the investigating.
Anonymous
05/22/2013 09:17
Subject: Report Residency Fraud (non resident cheaters)
I watch my neighbor's granddaughter get dropped off every morning by her mother (MD plates). Grandmother drives her to school, oob by the way, and brings her home every afternoon. Then I watch mother pick her up in the evening to "go home". What would you call this? Yes, she is being looked after by her grandmother, but she does not "live" with her grandmother since this is a weekday-only thing.
I'm not cruel or stupid enough (grandmother has a short fuse) to bring this to the attention of DCPS. Plus it woul db e hard for me to prove without being a complete stalker. But it stinks, because they have a slot in a good school and my other neighbors are fighting to find any other school than our ib one.
I'm not cruel or stupid enough (grandmother has a short fuse) to bring this to the attention of DCPS. Plus it woul db e hard for me to prove without being a complete stalker. But it stinks, because they have a slot in a good school and my other neighbors are fighting to find any other school than our ib one.