Anonymous
Post 01/26/2013 23:26     Subject: I question their fitness as parents
Don't dismiss your dog as 'not a guard dog'. My docile sweet little mutt reads people like a book and is quite good at tipping me off.

My other dog, a little 7 pounder, actually made a cop back up - LOL.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2013 23:19     Subject: Re:I question their fitness as parents
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
You don't sound like someone who's ever been robbed. We've never owned a gun and doubt we'll purchase one, but after a family member was recently burglarized, I can see why many people feel the need for that protection. There can be quite a gap of time between that 911 call and the arrival of help. Since burglars are often "young men" who aren't kind, thoughtful, and easily persuaded to leave peacefully, it's scary to think about how best to make sure your family is safe when they enter your home.


I have been burglarized and first off, almost all of these take place when you aren't home. The actual number of times when a person is able to safeguard their family after a burglary is very small. I get that this is what you have been lead to believe will make you and your loved ones safer, but it just isn't so.

If you really want to minimize your chances of being burglarized, invest in a home security system and a dog. Seriously. Burglars hate dogs.


We do have a home security system and have recently added more glass breaks. It's surprising how vulnerable a home can be. We also have a dog, although she wouldn't qualify as a guard dog. Burglars are getting a lot bolder, partly due to the high current value of gold and silver. Scary.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2013 22:03     Subject: I question their fitness as parents
Anonymous wrote:Look, Jethro, if you have an ounce of logic and half a cup of common sense, you might realize that your selfish desire to own a gun is superseded by my family's right to be safe in public. End of story. Want to disregard stats, not my problem. Can't admit that the second amendment was written at a completely different time in society than we live in now, so be it. Think you're going to overthrow a supposedly tyrannical government with a bunch of hand guns, semi-automatics and rifles? In America? Keep dreaming. Need to hunt even though there is a Safeway a mile away from you? Too bad, so sad. You are absolutely right-we don't give a rat's ass whether you can keep your gun safe and no, we don't trust you. Wake up and smell the the blood of children. It's on your hands so it shouldn't be that difficult.


You're assuming that your family would not be safe in public because of my gun. How often are you out in public with your kids? How often have you been shot? Are you aware if anyone around you is carrying concealed?

Anonymous
Post 01/26/2013 22:02     Subject: I question their fitness as parents
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Main question:

If you asked me if I keep my guns secure and how, and I explained it to you AND showed you, would you trust what I said or not?
how would I know? We have t really talked about it. All I heard was gun safe.


That's not what I asked you. Nice dodge.

I'm saying if your kid was my kid's friend and wanted to come over and you asked me about firearms in the house, and I both told you how I secured them AND showed you at your request, would you then trust what I said?

Care to answer?
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2013 21:59     Subject: I question their fitness as parents
Start here:

http://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/WP-Tough-Targets.pdf

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/7589-guns-used-in-self-defense



Um, I'm both a regular DCUM poster AND a parent. Where do you get off stating otherwise? Statistics please...
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2013 12:26     Subject: I question their fitness as parents
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Problem with that story is that you know that it's more likely, statistically, that the 14yo would have used the unsecured gun to commit suicide, or that an accidental or purposeful shooting would have harmed someone in the family.


But he didn't. He saved his siblings. And there have been countless other cases like this. Are these kids' lives worth less than those at Sandy Hook?


statistics, please. And no, not the NRA "statistics"

OP, the people on this board arguing about guns are NOT regular DCUM posters nor are they parents. They are intruders who feel this is a great forum in which to push their views on guns. No sane parent would believe it's important for anyone other than a member of the military on active duty to possess an assault weapon.

Why waste your time fighting with these trolls?
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2013 07:28     Subject: I question their fitness as parents
Anonymous wrote:Main question:

If you asked me if I keep my guns secure and how, and I explained it to you AND showed you, would you trust what I said or not?
how would I know? We have t really talked about it. All I heard was gun safe.
Anonymous
Post 01/26/2013 07:09     Subject: I question their fitness as parents
Main question:

If you asked me if I keep my guns secure and how, and I explained it to you AND showed you, would you trust what I said or not?
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2013 22:11     Subject: I question their fitness as parents
Anonymous wrote:It's taken how many posts of you asking how am I going to convince you for me to have come to that conclusion. Sorry you and I don't agree on this.

My assertion is not that there is to tell the careless from the non-careless, it's that YOU seem to feel that way, based on how many posts you write asking me to tell you how I can convince you.

Nice twist though. Project much?

You're forgetting I don't give a rat's a** whether or not someone believes I can keep a weapon secure, after I would have showed and told them. It's their trust issues, their choice, plain and simple.


You are putting words in my mouth. Deflect much?
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2013 21:23     Subject: I question their fitness as parents
Look, Jethro, if you have an ounce of logic and half a cup of common sense, you might realize that your selfish desire to own a gun is superseded by my family's right to be safe in public. End of story. Want to disregard stats, not my problem. Can't admit that the second amendment was written at a completely different time in society than we live in now, so be it. Think you're going to overthrow a supposedly tyrannical government with a bunch of hand guns, semi-automatics and rifles? In America? Keep dreaming. Need to hunt even though there is a Safeway a mile away from you? Too bad, so sad. You are absolutely right-we don't give a rat's ass whether you can keep your gun safe and no, we don't trust you. Wake up and smell the the blood of children. It's on your hands so it shouldn't be that difficult.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2013 21:03     Subject: I question their fitness as parents
It's taken how many posts of you asking how am I going to convince you for me to have come to that conclusion. Sorry you and I don't agree on this.

My assertion is not that there is to tell the careless from the non-careless, it's that YOU seem to feel that way, based on how many posts you write asking me to tell you how I can convince you.

Nice twist though. Project much?

You're forgetting I don't give a rat's a** whether or not someone believes I can keep a weapon secure, after I would have showed and told them. It's their trust issues, their choice, plain and simple.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2013 16:19     Subject: I question their fitness as parents
Anonymous wrote:My suspicions about you are correct. Because you know gun owners are careless, you know to ask questions. That's good. But because you know gun owners are careless, you also don't trust the answers to those questions. Which brings me back to my main point, that if you are not comfortable, you don't leave your kid. If I am not feeling you are comfortable, I ask you not to leave your kid.

Very simple.


You made the assumption that there is no way to convince me, which is a belief that I don't hold. So you seem to know me better than I know myself.

The simple outcome is this:

Gun owners are careless (you and I agree)
There is no way to tell the careless from the careful (your assertion)
Therefore there is no way to trust gun owners.

This has major social implications for your kids. Also it has interesting implications for you, because you have no way to trust other gun owners whom you do not know well.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2013 14:48     Subject: I question their fitness as parents
My suspicions about you are correct. Because you know gun owners are careless, you know to ask questions. That's good. But because you know gun owners are careless, you also don't trust the answers to those questions. Which brings me back to my main point, that if you are not comfortable, you don't leave your kid. If I am not feeling you are comfortable, I ask you not to leave your kid.

Very simple.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2013 23:52     Subject: I question their fitness as parents
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You ask. I answer. But you still want convincing. i can't convince, only tell the truth and show you the truth. Which tells me if your kid so much as bumps his knee in my home, you are a lawsuit risk.


No. All you said so far was "biometric gun safe". What else did you say that I missed?


You want me to tell you how I secure weapons. In a biometric safe that my kids don't have a combination to get into, and that's tested regularly for security. Also a traditional safe bolted to the floor in another area that, again, the kids can't get into.

At some point, after you see the safes, locations, etc. you have to determine if that's good enough for you. If it's not, you have the right not to have your kid over. If I suspect that your fears are over-the-top, then I have the right to ask you not to bring your child over. It's really that simple.

The fact that I have to convince you of anything is astounding. All I owe you is answers to your questions. If you are not satisfied with those answers, I don't have to convince you of anything and you don't have to have your kid over.

The automatic assumption here is someone who would own a weapon is automatically some sort of irresponsible rube, so it's their job to convince others they are not. No one owes that.


Your suspicions about me are wrong. I come from a family of hunters. Kids in our family start hunting at age eight, girls included. Also I have a number of friends and a few family members in law enforcement. But about half of the gun owners I know are careless, and I bet that's a conservative percentage.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2013 19:57     Subject: I question their fitness as parents
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You ask. I answer. But you still want convincing. i can't convince, only tell the truth and show you the truth. Which tells me if your kid so much as bumps his knee in my home, you are a lawsuit risk.


No. All you said so far was "biometric gun safe". What else did you say that I missed?


You want me to tell you how I secure weapons. In a biometric safe that my kids don't have a combination to get into, and that's tested regularly for security. Also a traditional safe bolted to the floor in another area that, again, the kids can't get into.

At some point, after you see the safes, locations, etc. you have to determine if that's good enough for you. If it's not, you have the right not to have your kid over. If I suspect that your fears are over-the-top, then I have the right to ask you not to bring your child over. It's really that simple.

The fact that I have to convince you of anything is astounding. All I owe you is answers to your questions. If you are not satisfied with those answers, I don't have to convince you of anything and you don't have to have your kid over.

The automatic assumption here is someone who would own a weapon is automatically some sort of irresponsible rube, so it's their job to convince others they are not. No one owes that.