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Anonymous wrote:I am not an Michelle Obama fan, nor am I a fan of her husband, because they are politically far to the left of me. I expect if he gets a second term, Barack will trend further left.

In spite of that, I think Michelle hit it out of the ball park with her speech last night. It did what it needed to do, it humanized the president, which is hard to do for any president after 4 years of policy fights. It emphasized that he was the everyman who lived the American dream and became president.

But, I still know Michelle Obama has in her the "first time I have ever felt proud of my country" spirit. I know that the campaign outside of the convention is highly negative on both sides and that all politicians lie. Michelle gave a good speech, but she is not nor will she be president in the next few years. She might make a fine president, but this is about Barack and the Democrats and Romney and the Republicans.

Plain and simple: "It's the Economy, Stupid."

For you, perhaps, but as a woman of child bearing age, the Republicans' obsession with my and every other woman's reproductive capacity is disturbing. Romney wants to cut all funding to Planned Parenthood. I don't know you, obviously, but the anti-choice people in my life are frequently the ones who think sex education teaches kids how to be sluts, believe birth control is a sin, complain about the ungodliness of abortion, and then bitch and moan that there are a certain kind of people who "keep having kids." And if you haven't met these all-star thinkers, I am very glad for you. The threat to reproductive freedom, even birth control! is at stake.

And if Obama trends left, good! He's been a moderate Republican these past four years.

PP here. I am outrageously pro-choice, having protested my fair share over the years and had personal experience with choices. I have two daughters. I am not forgetting about the Republican war on women, but that war is irrelevant to my choice for president. That is a fight at the state level. You may or may not notice that the fact that there is a Democrat in the White House has not prevented at least two states from regulating abortion into non-existence (Texas and Kansas, with Virginia doing it's level best). The fight for choice is influenced by the White House, but is not won there. Letting someone else have a chance to fix the economy, when Obama has proven himself incapable and lacking backbone does not change my stance on choice. I am realistic and abortion is still legal and only a Supreme Court decision is going to change that (or a Constitutional Amendment). Just tell Justice Ginsburg to hold on a few more years.....

And don't fool yourself, Obama is a socialist who believes we should all be middle class.

And my god, do you even know what a socialist is. If you did, you are liar for misusing the term. If you do not, well you are simply stupid for calling people out of their name when you have no idea of the meaning of the name.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not an Michelle Obama fan, nor am I a fan of her husband, because they are politically far to the left of me. I expect if he gets a second term, Barack will trend further left.

In spite of that, I think Michelle hit it out of the ball park with her speech last night. It did what it needed to do, it humanized the president, which is hard to do for any president after 4 years of policy fights. It emphasized that he was the everyman who lived the American dream and became president.

But, I still know Michelle Obama has in her the "first time I have ever felt proud of my country" spirit. I know that the campaign outside of the convention is highly negative on both sides and that all politicians lie. Michelle gave a good speech, but she is not nor will she be president in the next few years. She might make a fine president, but this is about Barack and the Democrats and Romney and the Republicans.

Plain and simple: "It's the Economy, Stupid."

For you, perhaps, but as a woman of child bearing age, the Republicans' obsession with my and every other woman's reproductive capacity is disturbing. Romney wants to cut all funding to Planned Parenthood. I don't know you, obviously, but the anti-choice people in my life are frequently the ones who think sex education teaches kids how to be sluts, believe birth control is a sin, complain about the ungodliness of abortion, and then bitch and moan that there are a certain kind of people who "keep having kids." And if you haven't met these all-star thinkers, I am very glad for you. The threat to reproductive freedom, even birth control! is at stake.

And if Obama trends left, good! He's been a moderate Republican these past four years.

PP here. I am outrageously pro-choice, having protested my fair share over the years and had personal experience with choices. I have two daughters. I am not forgetting about the Republican war on women, but that war is irrelevant to my choice for president. That is a fight at the state level. You may or may not notice that the fact that there is a Democrat in the White House has not prevented at least two states from regulating abortion into non-existence (Texas and Kansas, with Virginia doing it's level best). The fight for choice is influenced by the White House, but is not won there. Letting someone else have a chance to fix the economy, when Obama has proven himself incapable and lacking backbone does not change my stance on choice. I am realistic and abortion is still legal and only a Supreme Court decision is going to change that (or a Constitutional Amendment). Just tell Justice Ginsburg to hold on a few more years.....

And don't fool yourself, Obama is a socialist who believes we should all be middle class.

We all believe what we choose to believe, even if the evidence is contrary to that belief. When the man took office, the US was losing 800,000 jobs month. The Stock market and my 401 and 457 had lost a shitload of money. Housing prices were dropping like flies stuck in a barrel of honey. Michigan was on the brink of sinking into a depression that FDR could not save. More and more jobs were being outsourced.

Now, jobs have increased ever month except three during the past four years. I love, love, love my 401k and 457 because the stock market is over 10,000 instead of the dreaded below 8000 in December 2008. Housing prices are leveling off in many areas, but specifically in some areas they are back, and or better. Millions of people in Michigan, Ohio and Indiana have jobs because Obama had the balls to save GM and Chrysler. As I am sure you know as an educated woman, the saving of the auto industry affected all the peripheral jobs that people don't think about, such as window glass maker, car lender, secretary in the steel company, etc. And, jobs are returning to the United States, albeit not as many as one hoped, but returning nevertheless.

Reproductive rights are not fought on the state level. If so, why did the SCOTUS get involved with Griswald and Roe in the first place, if it was a state issue. I doubt Ginsburg can last another four years as she has had serveral rounds of cancer battles. But no worries for your two daughters, I am sure that you are fortunate enough to send them to Canada, Rio or Mexico if the choice was to abort an otherwise unfortunate pregnancy.

Anonymous wrote:Will the 'Obama is a socialist' line ever die? For crying out loud.

The only way it dies is if the far right gains a conscience and decides to traffic in truth as opposed to inflammatory rhetoric that is based on fantasy. When someone uses the "socialist" line, it immediately tells me volumes about them: this is a person who has drunk the fox news koolaid and it is pointless to try to have any sort of rational discussion with them. No matter how many facts you provide them to debunk the BS they have decided is truth, they cannot see or hear it. No amount of contradictory information and facts will deter them from the predetermined narrative they have embraced. This person will not ever be part of an actually discussion in which you hear the other person and share ideas. Their only point in posting to a discussion thread is to share their own unwavering viewpoint which they somehow believe we all will want to hear.

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Anonymous wrote:Will the 'Obama is a socialist' line ever die? For crying out loud.

Probably after Romney wins and we no longer have to worry about having a socialist president. But not until then.

You realize that socialism refers to the collective ownership and management of the goods and services and the means of producing them. The services and goods are produced directly for use, not for profit. Obviously, the USA is not even remotely a socialist country, and Barack Obama is no more of a socialist president than Ronald Reagan was, or Mitt Romney would be. Please educate yourself on at least a basic level. It is fun to learn things! Try it!

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Anonymous wrote:I am not an Michelle Obama fan, nor am I a fan of her husband, because they are politically far to the left of me. I expect if he gets a second term, Barack will trend further left.

In spite of that, I think Michelle hit it out of the ball park with her speech last night. It did what it needed to do, it humanized the president, which is hard to do for any president after 4 years of policy fights. It emphasized that he was the everyman who lived the American dream and became president.

But, I still know Michelle Obama has in her the "first time I have ever felt proud of my country" spirit. I know that the campaign outside of the convention is highly negative on both sides and that all politicians lie. Michelle gave a good speech, but she is not nor will she be president in the next few years. She might make a fine president, but this is about Barack and the Democrats and Romney and the Republicans.

Plain and simple: "It's the Economy, Stupid."

For you, perhaps, but as a woman of child bearing age, the Republicans' obsession with my and every other woman's reproductive capacity is disturbing. Romney wants to cut all funding to Planned Parenthood. I don't know you, obviously, but the anti-choice people in my life are frequently the ones who think sex education teaches kids how to be sluts, believe birth control is a sin, complain about the ungodliness of abortion, and then bitch and moan that there are a certain kind of people who "keep having kids." And if you haven't met these all-star thinkers, I am very glad for you. The threat to reproductive freedom, even birth control! is at stake.

And if Obama trends left, good! He's been a moderate Republican these past four years.

PP here. I am outrageously pro-choice, having protested my fair share over the years and had personal experience with choices. I have two daughters. I am not forgetting about the Republican war on women, but that war is irrelevant to my choice for president. That is a fight at the state level. You may or may not notice that the fact that there is a Democrat in the White House has not prevented at least two states from regulating abortion into non-existence (Texas and Kansas, with Virginia doing it's level best). The fight for choice is influenced by the White House, but is not won there. Letting someone else have a chance to fix the economy, when Obama has proven himself incapable and lacking backbone does not change my stance on choice. I am realistic and abortion is still legal and only a Supreme Court decision is going to change that (or a Constitutional Amendment). Just tell Justice Ginsburg to hold on a few more years.....

And don't fool yourself, Obama is a socialist who believes we should all be middle class.

1. According to the GOP platform, it is a national issue. I take them at their word. Why wouldn't I.
2. Any DC resident knows that in their particular case, the Congress has already outlawed district funding of abortion.
3. Surely you are aware that any state law restricting abortion raises the question of constitutionality and therefore is a federal issue. The Texas sonogram law was partially blocked by Federal district court and then upheld on appeal again in Federal court. So yes, even state laws raise federal questions.

So outrageously pro-choice as you are, you are outrageously unaware of the federal role in abortion rights.

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Anonymous wrote:Will the 'Obama is a socialist' line ever die? For crying out loud.

Probably after Romney wins and we no longer have to worry about having a socialist president. But not until then.

Anyone who thinks that Obama is a socialist either doesn't know anything about Obama or doesn't know anything about socialism. Though, I guess the possibility that both are true also exists.

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Anonymous wrote:Will the 'Obama is a socialist' line ever die? For crying out loud.

Probably after Romney wins and we no longer have to worry about having a socialist president. But not until then.

You have no idea what a socialist is. No politician in this country is remotely close.

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Anonymous wrote:Will the 'Obama is a socialist' line ever die? For crying out loud.

Probably after Romney wins and we no longer have to worry about having a socialist president. But not until then.

Luckily we don't have a socialist president now, and I doubt we will have one for the next four years.

Anonymous wrote:Will the 'Obama is a socialist' line ever die? For crying out loud.

Probably after Romney wins and we no longer have to worry about having a socialist president. But not until then.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not an Michelle Obama fan, nor am I a fan of her husband, because they are politically far to the left of me. I expect if he gets a second term, Barack will trend further left.

In spite of that, I think Michelle hit it out of the ball park with her speech last night. It did what it needed to do, it humanized the president, which is hard to do for any president after 4 years of policy fights. It emphasized that he was the everyman who lived the American dream and became president.

But, I still know Michelle Obama has in her the "first time I have ever felt proud of my country" spirit. I know that the campaign outside of the convention is highly negative on both sides and that all politicians lie. Michelle gave a good speech, but she is not nor will she be president in the next few years. She might make a fine president, but this is about Barack and the Democrats and Romney and the Republicans.

Plain and simple: "It's the Economy, Stupid."

For you, perhaps, but as a woman of child bearing age, the Republicans' obsession with my and every other woman's reproductive capacity is disturbing. Romney wants to cut all funding to Planned Parenthood. I don't know you, obviously, but the anti-choice people in my life are frequently the ones who think sex education teaches kids how to be sluts, believe birth control is a sin, complain about the ungodliness of abortion, and then bitch and moan that there are a certain kind of people who "keep having kids." And if you haven't met these all-star thinkers, I am very glad for you. The threat to reproductive freedom, even birth control! is at stake.

And if Obama trends left, good! He's been a moderate Republican these past four years.

PP here. I am outrageously pro-choice, having protested my fair share over the years and had personal experience with choices. I have two daughters. I am not forgetting about the Republican war on women, but that war is irrelevant to my choice for president. That is a fight at the state level. You may or may not notice that the fact that there is a Democrat in the White House has not prevented at least two states from regulating abortion into non-existence (Texas and Kansas, with Virginia doing it's level best). The fight for choice is influenced by the White House, but is not won there. Letting someone else have a chance to fix the economy, when Obama has proven himself incapable and lacking backbone does not change my stance on choice. I am realistic and abortion is still legal and only a Supreme Court decision is going to change that (or a Constitutional Amendment). Just tell Justice Ginsburg to hold on a few more years.....
And don't fool yourself, Obama is a socialist who believes we should all be middle class.

That's a risk I am not willing to take.

Will the 'Obama is a socialist' line ever die? For crying out loud.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am not an Michelle Obama fan, nor am I a fan of her husband, because they are politically far to the left of me. I expect if he gets a second term, Barack will trend further left.

In spite of that, I think Michelle hit it out of the ball park with her speech last night. It did what it needed to do, it humanized the president, which is hard to do for any president after 4 years of policy fights. It emphasized that he was the everyman who lived the American dream and became president.

But, I still know Michelle Obama has in her the "first time I have ever felt proud of my country" spirit. I know that the campaign outside of the convention is highly negative on both sides and that all politicians lie. Michelle gave a good speech, but she is not nor will she be president in the next few years. She might make a fine president, but this is about Barack and the Democrats and Romney and the Republicans.

Plain and simple: "It's the Economy, Stupid."

For you, perhaps, but as a woman of child bearing age, the Republicans' obsession with my and every other woman's reproductive capacity is disturbing. Romney wants to cut all funding to Planned Parenthood. I don't know you, obviously, but the anti-choice people in my life are frequently the ones who think sex education teaches kids how to be sluts, believe birth control is a sin, complain about the ungodliness of abortion, and then bitch and moan that there are a certain kind of people who "keep having kids." And if you haven't met these all-star thinkers, I am very glad for you. The threat to reproductive freedom, even birth control! is at stake.

And if Obama trends left, good! He's been a moderate Republican these past four years.

PP here. I am outrageously pro-choice, having protested my fair share over the years and had personal experience with choices. I have two daughters. I am not forgetting about the Republican war on women, but that war is irrelevant to my choice for president. That is a fight at the state level. You may or may not notice that the fact that there is a Democrat in the White House has not prevented at least two states from regulating abortion into non-existence (Texas and Kansas, with Virginia doing it's level best). The fight for choice is influenced by the White House, but is not won there. Letting someone else have a chance to fix the economy, when Obama has proven himself incapable and lacking backbone does not change my stance on choice. I am realistic and abortion is still legal and only a Supreme Court decision is going to change that (or a Constitutional Amendment). Just tell Justice Ginsburg to hold on a few more years.....

And don't fool yourself, Obama is a socialist who believes we should all be middle class.

Of course it is won there! Pro-life Republican Presidents will appoint pro-life Supreme Court justices. If you are really "outrageously" pro-choice, you should vote for Obama. Don't worry, I am sure you we be able to maintain your "upper class" status even with such a staunch Socialist in the WH another four years!

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Girlfriend livin' laaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrge in the citaaaaaaay!

is plain straight -up racism.

And criticizing her teeth is immature, shallow and beneath any sophisticated woman.

There is NO reason not to love Michelle, except racism. Sorry. She's sweet, dresses great and grows vegetables. What's not to love?

BTW -- I am white and an independent and I don't agree with a lot of Obama's policies, but Michelle? Please. She is seriously his better half and if you can't see that, it truly is YOUR problem.

So if someone doesn't like Michelle Obama, they are a racist? (this is such nonsense!)

Okay, then if someone doesn't like Anne Romney, they are a bigot who hates whites and mormons.

Um, no. The PP was pointing out that the WAY the poster was describing Michelle and the "citaaaaaay" line were plainly very racist. Nothing to do with liking Michelle Obama herself. Can you not see that?

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Anonymous wrote:I am not an Michelle Obama fan, nor am I a fan of her husband, because they are politically far to the left of me. I expect if he gets a second term, Barack will trend further left.

In spite of that, I think Michelle hit it out of the ball park with her speech last night. It did what it needed to do, it humanized the president, which is hard to do for any president after 4 years of policy fights. It emphasized that he was the everyman who lived the American dream and became president.

But, I still know Michelle Obama has in her the "first time I have ever felt proud of my country" spirit. I know that the campaign outside of the convention is highly negative on both sides and that all politicians lie. Michelle gave a good speech, but she is not nor will she be president in the next few years. She might make a fine president, but this is about Barack and the Democrats and Romney and the Republicans.

Plain and simple: "It's the Economy, Stupid."

For you, perhaps, but as a woman of child bearing age, the Republicans' obsession with my and every other woman's reproductive capacity is disturbing. Romney wants to cut all funding to Planned Parenthood. I don't know you, obviously, but the anti-choice people in my life are frequently the ones who think sex education teaches kids how to be sluts, believe birth control is a sin, complain about the ungodliness of abortion, and then bitch and moan that there are a certain kind of people who "keep having kids." And if you haven't met these all-star thinkers, I am very glad for you. The threat to reproductive freedom, even birth control! is at stake.

And if Obama trends left, good! He's been a moderate Republican these past four years.

You need meds for your mood congruent delusions. Nobody is obsessed with your reproductive capacity, okay? This is not China. You are free to bear children or to have an abortion. This is the U.S.A. The year is 2012. (in case you believe you are a secret agent and you need to fix your time machine to get back to the year 2030). Psycho.

Are you implying that republican leaders across the country haven't been trying their hardest to limit abortion rights, stop family planning funding, and overthrow roe v. Wade?!?! The PP before you is right on target and if you can't see that, you haven't been paying attention.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not an Michelle Obama fan, nor am I a fan of her husband, because they are politically far to the left of me. I expect if he gets a second term, Barack will trend further left.

In spite of that, I think Michelle hit it out of the ball park with her speech last night. It did what it needed to do, it humanized the president, which is hard to do for any president after 4 years of policy fights. It emphasized that he was the everyman who lived the American dream and became president.

But, I still know Michelle Obama has in her the "first time I have ever felt proud of my country" spirit. I know that the campaign outside of the convention is highly negative on both sides and that all politicians lie. Michelle gave a good speech, but she is not nor will she be president in the next few years. She might make a fine president, but this is about Barack and the Democrats and Romney and the Republicans.

Plain and simple: "It's the Economy, Stupid."

For you, perhaps, but as a woman of child bearing age, the Republicans' obsession with my and every other woman's reproductive capacity is disturbing. Romney wants to cut all funding to Planned Parenthood. I don't know you, obviously, but the anti-choice people in my life are frequently the ones who think sex education teaches kids how to be sluts, believe birth control is a sin, complain about the ungodliness of abortion, and then bitch and moan that there are a certain kind of people who "keep having kids." And if you haven't met these all-star thinkers, I am very glad for you. The threat to reproductive freedom, even birth control! is at stake.

And if Obama trends left, good! He's been a moderate Republican these past four years.

PP here. I am outrageously pro-choice, having protested my fair share over the years and had personal experience with choices. I have two daughters. I am not forgetting about the Republican war on women, but that war is irrelevant to my choice for president. That is a fight at the state level. You may or may not notice that the fact that there is a Democrat in the White House has not prevented at least two states from regulating abortion into non-existence (Texas and Kansas, with Virginia doing it's level best). The fight for choice is influenced by the White House, but is not won there. Letting someone else have a chance to fix the economy, when Obama has proven himself incapable and lacking backbone does not change my stance on choice. I am realistic and abortion is still legal and only a Supreme Court decision is going to change that (or a Constitutional Amendment). Just tell Justice Ginsburg to hold on a few more years.....

And don't fool yourself, Obama is a socialist who believes we should all be middle class.