^^^^^^ You're assuming the PP went to school in the district. The poster didn't say where they went to school, just that they went to "a" lilly white school.

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Anonymous wrote:"I just wish all would have that attitude and let the diversity initiative start with the first step. The diversity of a school should come naturally and not this illusion of if, it's all black and therefore it is destined for all things bad and evil."

The thing is, reverse racism (black racism against whites) is alive and well in this city. It has been a majority black city for a long time, after all. And making the city less segregated goes both ways, and we haven't made much progress. So, I'm not going to send my kid into a potentially difficult, exclusionary environment unless there is a good reason. For me, that probably needs to be a school with truly competitive admissions, which doesn't exist in D.C.

I understand your concern. I wouldn't want to send my kid into an "exclusionary" environment either. But what I am challenging you on is whether you would investigate a school, visit it, talk to parents and administrators to find out what the environment actually is before making that decision or would you just assume without actually checking out the facts that a school that is heavily AA is exclusionary towards whites?

That's what bothers me about some parents - in this case, white parents who won't consider good schools which are heavily AA - is that they make assumptions without actually finding out for themselves what a school is like.

That goes both ways, with some AA parents here making the same sorts of assumptions and accusations about what they perceive to be "white" schools without actually consulting the facts.

This is bullshit. Give me one example of this. I went to a lily white school and I wish that my parents had not sent me. Being called a nigger - and people finding that acceptable - was no fun at all.

Maybe relevant decades ago, somewhere else.

There are no "lily white" DCPS or PCS schools in the District now.

Name a school in the District where anyone finds it "acceptable" for an AA student to be called "nigger".

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Anonymous wrote:"I just wish all would have that attitude and let the diversity initiative start with the first step. The diversity of a school should come naturally and not this illusion of if, it's all black and therefore it is destined for all things bad and evil."

The thing is, reverse racism (black racism against whites) is alive and well in this city. It has been a majority black city for a long time, after all. And making the city less segregated goes both ways, and we haven't made much progress. So, I'm not going to send my kid into a potentially difficult, exclusionary environment unless there is a good reason. For me, that probably needs to be a school with truly competitive admissions, which doesn't exist in D.C.

I understand your concern. I wouldn't want to send my kid into an "exclusionary" environment either. But what I am challenging you on is whether you would investigate a school, visit it, talk to parents and administrators to find out what the environment actually is before making that decision or would you just assume without actually checking out the facts that a school that is heavily AA is exclusionary towards whites?

That's what bothers me about some parents - in this case, white parents who won't consider good schools which are heavily AA - is that they make assumptions without actually finding out for themselves what a school is like.

That goes both ways, with some AA parents here making the same sorts of assumptions and accusations about what they perceive to be "white" schools without actually consulting the facts.

This is bullshit. Give me one example of this. I went to a lily white school and I wish that my parents had not sent me. Being called a nigger - and people finding that acceptable - was no fun at all.

Maybe relevant decades ago, somewhere else.

There are no "lily white" DCPS or PCS schools in the District now.

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Anonymous wrote:"I just wish all would have that attitude and let the diversity initiative start with the first step. The diversity of a school should come naturally and not this illusion of if, it's all black and therefore it is destined for all things bad and evil."

The thing is, reverse racism (black racism against whites) is alive and well in this city. It has been a majority black city for a long time, after all. And making the city less segregated goes both ways, and we haven't made much progress. So, I'm not going to send my kid into a potentially difficult, exclusionary environment unless there is a good reason. For me, that probably needs to be a school with truly competitive admissions, which doesn't exist in D.C.

I understand your concern. I wouldn't want to send my kid into an "exclusionary" environment either. But what I am challenging you on is whether you would investigate a school, visit it, talk to parents and administrators to find out what the environment actually is before making that decision or would you just assume without actually checking out the facts that a school that is heavily AA is exclusionary towards whites?

That's what bothers me about some parents - in this case, white parents who won't consider good schools which are heavily AA - is that they make assumptions without actually finding out for themselves what a school is like.

That goes both ways, with some AA parents here making the same sorts of assumptions and accusations about what they perceive to be "white" schools without actually consulting the facts.

Yes, I know. That's why I said "some parents" and then discussed this particular case - HUMS - which relates to white parents's choices. I just wanted to know if that particular pp whom I was addressing would be willing to do her research on a school before rejecting it.

Anonymous wrote:This is bullshit. Give me one example of this. I went to a lily white school and I wish that my parents had not sent me. Being called a nigger - and people finding that acceptable - was no fun at all.

Actually, you've just delivered your own example. Because you endured what you shouldn't have you (possibly) now judge all predominantly white environments in this city by those standards, thereby (possibly) denying your child a better experience and leaving him or her confused about the disconnect between your experience and the reality. The reality: by far most white urban dwellers are unbelievably scared to even go near denoting anything to do with race. Their taboo of anything "racist" extends well beyond calling some "nigger" (not to mention that the continued use of this term in some of the black community surrounding me confuses me highly); they won't even let their blond girls inquire about wearing beads or their boy about cutting a mohawk because telling them that this won't look as cool or pretty as in black hair, Gog forbid, just might call attention to the fact that people in our city come in different colors.
Did you know that research shows that shushing all conversation about racial differences may actually not foster but prevent interracial understanding? Kids, yours included, go on to connecting the dots themselves, no more meaningfully than they'd learn math without any guidance. And there we go, reiterating assumptions of the past unless we leap to cut the vicious circle.

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Anonymous wrote:"I just wish all would have that attitude and let the diversity initiative start with the first step. The diversity of a school should come naturally and not this illusion of if, it's all black and therefore it is destined for all things bad and evil."

The thing is, reverse racism (black racism against whites) is alive and well in this city. It has been a majority black city for a long time, after all. And making the city less segregated goes both ways, and we haven't made much progress. So, I'm not going to send my kid into a potentially difficult, exclusionary environment unless there is a good reason. For me, that probably needs to be a school with truly competitive admissions, which doesn't exist in D.C.

I understand your concern. I wouldn't want to send my kid into an "exclusionary" environment either. But what I am challenging you on is whether you would investigate a school, visit it, talk to parents and administrators to find out what the environment actually is before making that decision or would you just assume without actually checking out the facts that a school that is heavily AA is exclusionary towards whites?

That's what bothers me about some parents - in this case, white parents who won't consider good schools which are heavily AA - is that they make assumptions without actually finding out for themselves what a school is like.

That goes both ways, with some AA parents here making the same sorts of assumptions and accusations about what they perceive to be "white" schools without actually consulting the facts.

This is bullshit. Give me one example of this. I went to a lily white school and I wish that my parents had not sent me. Being called a nigger - and people finding that acceptable - was no fun at all.

I have an African friend, in this country for 6 years, who says she does not relate to American blacks nor to they relate to her.

Their historical and cultural differences are many. The only thing they have in common is the color of their skin. Actually, she is much darker than most AAs

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Anonymous wrote:PP, I will make sure I tell my husband that. The last time we were at Politics and Prose, the white woman next to us grabbed her purse when she saw my husband. He looks as innocent and suburban as they come. I guess that was our "victimhood" and we imagined it.

There are plenty of neurotic and anxious people out there who will clutch their purses to themselves whenever ANYONE is near, regardless of color.

Exactly, and some people, accustomed to or expecting discrimination, will perceive every purse-clutching as another example of it.

Right... And, we've all seen things like the little AA grannies who pull their purses tight to themselves when there's rowdy young AA males around. Following the logic presented, that would make those AA grannies racist.

I would not call her racist, but I do believe this and think that it is sad that the perception of our boys goes beyond white people to all people. It's the images that we all see. I know that it is a reality b/c I have 2 black sons. I too have to stop myself from the perception. I am very aware of the stereotype that I myself sometimes fall into.

The AA community has not done itself many favors where it comes to what it promotes as "AA culture" - when you have AA youth emulating along the lines of many popular icons, getting tatted up and dressing gangsta, talking ghetto, acting hard, and along with it, propagating the ideas in the music and elsewhere, of glorified violence, crime, misogyny and promiscuity, and self-indulgence in all things material. If a youth acts, talks, dresses like that, the perception is *never* going to be positive, regardless of whether that youth is actually from a low-SES background, or if he's upper-middle class from suburbia (and they do it) and it ultimately ends up at best perpetuating and at worst worsening the perceptions, thereby collectively dragging all AA youth down.

Perceptions aren't always reality but perceptions often end up being what the battles are won and lost on.

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Anonymous wrote:"I just wish all would have that attitude and let the diversity initiative start with the first step. The diversity of a school should come naturally and not this illusion of if, it's all black and therefore it is destined for all things bad and evil."

The thing is, reverse racism (black racism against whites) is alive and well in this city. It has been a majority black city for a long time, after all. And making the city less segregated goes both ways, and we haven't made much progress. So, I'm not going to send my kid into a potentially difficult, exclusionary environment unless there is a good reason. For me, that probably needs to be a school with truly competitive admissions, which doesn't exist in D.C.

I understand your concern. I wouldn't want to send my kid into an "exclusionary" environment either. But what I am challenging you on is whether you would investigate a school, visit it, talk to parents and administrators to find out what the environment actually is before making that decision or would you just assume without actually checking out the facts that a school that is heavily AA is exclusionary towards whites?

That's what bothers me about some parents - in this case, white parents who won't consider good schools which are heavily AA - is that they make assumptions without actually finding out for themselves what a school is like.

That goes both ways, with some AA parents here making the same sorts of assumptions and accusations about what they perceive to be "white" schools without actually consulting the facts.

Anonymous wrote:"I just wish all would have that attitude and let the diversity initiative start with the first step. The diversity of a school should come naturally and not this illusion of if, it's all black and therefore it is destined for all things bad and evil."

The thing is, reverse racism (black racism against whites) is alive and well in this city. It has been a majority black city for a long time, after all. And making the city less segregated goes both ways, and we haven't made much progress. So, I'm not going to send my kid into a potentially difficult, exclusionary environment unless there is a good reason. For me, that probably needs to be a school with truly competitive admissions, which doesn't exist in D.C.

I understand your concern. I wouldn't want to send my kid into an "exclusionary" environment either. But what I am challenging you on is whether you would investigate a school, visit it, talk to parents and administrators to find out what the environment actually is before making that decision or would you just assume without actually checking out the facts that a school that is heavily AA is exclusionary towards whites?

That's what bothers me about some parents - in this case, white parents who won't consider good schools which are heavily AA - is that they make assumptions without actually finding out for themselves what a school is like.

Comprehensive Plan for Dealing With the AA Academic Achievement Gap

Step 1: Claim racism. Call it white supremacy, internalized or otherwise, claim segregation, claim profiling, claim exclusion.

Step 2: Job done, call it a day.

Notice what's actually NOT being solved here?

Competitive situations are the most exclusionary tactics in public education. Just take a look at the competitive aspect of "choice" in public education. You have options out of this world but the hidden agenda is not who they let in but who they don't. The illusion that ALL are welcome but ALL are not worthy is a trick of the trade.

"I just wish all would have that attitude and let the diversity initiative start with the first step. The diversity of a school should come naturally and not this illusion of if, it's all black and therefore it is destined for all things bad and evil."

The thing is, reverse racism (black racism against whites) is alive and well in this city. It has been a majority black city for a long time, after all. And making the city less segregated goes both ways, and we haven't made much progress. So, I'm not going to send my kid into a potentially difficult, exclusionary environment unless there is a good reason. For me, that probably needs to be a school with truly competitive admissions, which doesn't exist in D.C.

Who are the exploiters and those responsible for slavery now? Check your own footrpint... http://slaveryfootprint.org

^^ And yet those immigrants are still subject to the same profiling that those born here enjoy.