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Anonymous wrote:Washington & Lee much higher ranked and slightly lower cost

lol. Let it begin about W&L...

The school’s name, and its many historical connections to Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee, have become increasingly divisive over the years. Last year, students and faculty voted in favor of changing the school’s name, urging university leaders to take steps to end the glorification of Lee. Alumni groups have formed on both sides of the issue, advocating for loyalty to the school’s long traditions and, alternatively, for a dramatic change to ensure that the campus is welcoming to all.

Um…Richmond was the capital of the South and a baptist college

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Anonymous wrote:I was surprised to find out that University of Richmond is about as difficult to get into as UVA or W&M. I'm a life long VA resident, and I've barely heard of the school. You would think a school that's so selective would have decent name recognition. Can anyone not originally from VA offer any insight as to how it's regarded?

I'm curious how you arrived at this conclusion. Do you have a cite? U of R is called only "moderately selective" whereas UVA and W&M are both "highly selective". Schev's report on GPAs has both UVA and W&M way ahead of UOR: weighted gpas at at UVA at the 75th percentile at a 4.51 and 4.53 for W&M. U0R's is only a weighted 3.95. UoR does not attract the same caliber of student as does W&M or UVA

GPAs at state schools are hyper inflated. Many privates have no inflation. For example Harvard is below 4.0 too

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Anonymous wrote:I was surprised to find out that University of Richmond is about as difficult to get into as UVA or W&M. I'm a life long VA resident, and I've barely heard of the school. You would think a school that's so selective would have decent name recognition. Can anyone not originally from VA offer any insight as to how it's regarded?

Acceptance rate is not selectivity. Uof R is a well regarded school, but they accept a slightly lower tier of student, comparing within high schools for relevance, than UVA and WM, as far as scores, course rigor. UofR is slightly less selective than W&L, but W&L often takes students who do not get into UVA , so it is not too competitive either. Davidson/Wellesley/Bowdoin are more well regRded and more selective than UofR and W&L, yet that group is a notch under the top5 LACs. UofR is considered like a Colby in the Northeast: good school but not close to elite.

Davidson is in no way more selective or well regarded than W&L.

It is from our area: NY/NJ top privates send higher tier of kids to Davidson, lots of overlap w Bowdoin admits.. W&L is more like a Colby.

W&L is higher than Davidson for all stat comparison points. W&L ACT Composite is 35/34/33 for 75th/50th/25th. Davidson is 34/32/21. SAT M + V (since Davidson does not provide SAT Composite) is 1530/1490/1410 for W&L and 1510/1455/1360 for Davidson. For Top 10% of class, it is 81.4% for W&L and 68% for Davidson.

W&L is the top private school for wealthy old money southerners.

You are trying to distract from the fact that it has higher stats than Davidson.

Davidson has D1 athletics which explains the marginal difference in test scores. W&L is an easier admit than Davidson at our Big 3 school. Both are great Southern LACs that are growing in popularity.

How so? Number of apps? Most good schools show a steady increase in applications.

IMO no. Reputation has increased again IMO bc with admissions nationwide becoming more difficult, they are attracting better students. Plus they seem to have a lot of $$$. It is a solid choice for smart kids. But I don’t think it has a national reputation.

Anonymous wrote:I grew up in Michigan, Illinois, & Massachusetts, & was well aware of it. It was known for its beautiful campus, Spider mascot, & Div. 1 basketball team.

That spider IS pretty cool.

My kid has a 3.0 and was looking for a D1 school.

We did a tour.

The campus was lovely. The lake in the center was so pretty. The buildings look like a movie set. Athletic facilities were great. Dorms are realistic. When we went for our tour there was a parking spot with my kid's name on it welcoming him (not from the coach).

It looks like College of Charleston (public: SC).

In the end, we decided D1 was not accessible and we knew that they were looking for kids with a 3.8. If mine could have squeaked in, they were not a candidate for Merit and it would have been too expensive (more than 1 college student in the house).

I'd choose VT over U-Richmond in part because we called in "University of New Jersey" growing up, but I do think people could have a wonderful experience there (study abroad, peaceful space, great school spirit, rigors curriculum, good about taking AP credits) but it wasn't a right fit for either of my kids.

Your kid may walk the campus and say, "This is it," and I have found that some expensive schools are the most generous with merit.

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Anonymous wrote:I was surprised to find out that University of Richmond is about as difficult to get into as UVA or W&M. I'm a life long VA resident, and I've barely heard of the school. You would think a school that's so selective would have decent name recognition. Can anyone not originally from VA offer any insight as to how it's regarded?

Acceptance rate is not selectivity. Uof R is a well regarded school, but they accept a slightly lower tier of student, comparing within high schools for relevance, than UVA and WM, as far as scores, course rigor. UofR is slightly less selective than W&L, but W&L often takes students who do not get into UVA , so it is not too competitive either. Davidson/Wellesley/Bowdoin are more well regRded and more selective than UofR and W&L, yet that group is a notch under the top5 LACs. UofR is considered like a Colby in the Northeast: good school but not close to elite.

Davidson is in no way more selective or well regarded than W&L.

It is from our area: NY/NJ top privates send higher tier of kids to Davidson, lots of overlap w Bowdoin admits.. W&L is more like a Colby.

W&L is higher than Davidson for all stat comparison points. W&L ACT Composite is 35/34/33 for 75th/50th/25th. Davidson is 34/32/21. SAT M + V (since Davidson does not provide SAT Composite) is 1530/1490/1410 for W&L and 1510/1455/1360 for Davidson. For Top 10% of class, it is 81.4% for W&L and 68% for Davidson.

W&L is the top private school for wealthy old money southerners.

You are trying to distract from the fact that it has higher stats than Davidson.

Davidson has D1 athletics which explains the marginal difference in test scores. W&L is an easier admit than Davidson at our Big 3 school. Both are great Southern LACs that are growing in popularity.

The academically marginal athletes will apply test optional and not impact stats. There is a stats difference between these two schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I was surprised to find out that University of Richmond is about as difficult to get into as UVA or W&M. I'm a life long VA resident, and I've barely heard of the school. You would think a school that's so selective would have decent name recognition. Can anyone not originally from VA offer any insight as to how it's regarded?

Acceptance rate is not selectivity. Uof R is a well regarded school, but they accept a slightly lower tier of student, comparing within high schools for relevance, than UVA and WM, as far as scores, course rigor. UofR is slightly less selective than W&L, but W&L often takes students who do not get into UVA , so it is not too competitive either. Davidson/Wellesley/Bowdoin are more well regRded and more selective than UofR and W&L, yet that group is a notch under the top5 LACs. UofR is considered like a Colby in the Northeast: good school but not close to elite.

Davidson is in no way more selective or well regarded than W&L.

It is from our area: NY/NJ top privates send higher tier of kids to Davidson, lots of overlap w Bowdoin admits.. W&L is more like a Colby.

W&L is higher than Davidson for all stat comparison points. W&L ACT Composite is 35/34/33 for 75th/50th/25th. Davidson is 34/32/21. SAT M + V (since Davidson does not provide SAT Composite) is 1530/1490/1410 for W&L and 1510/1455/1360 for Davidson. For Top 10% of class, it is 81.4% for W&L and 68% for Davidson.

W&L is the top private school for wealthy old money southerners.

You are trying to distract from the fact that it has higher stats than Davidson.

Davidson has D1 athletics which explains the marginal difference in test scores. W&L is an easier admit than Davidson at our Big 3 school. Both are great Southern LACs that are growing in popularity.

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Anonymous wrote:I was surprised to find out that University of Richmond is about as difficult to get into as UVA or W&M. I'm a life long VA resident, and I've barely heard of the school. You would think a school that's so selective would have decent name recognition. Can anyone not originally from VA offer any insight as to how it's regarded?

Acceptance rate is not selectivity. Uof R is a well regarded school, but they accept a slightly lower tier of student, comparing within high schools for relevance, than UVA and WM, as far as scores, course rigor. UofR is slightly less selective than W&L, but W&L often takes students who do not get into UVA , so it is not too competitive either. Davidson/Wellesley/Bowdoin are more well regRded and more selective than UofR and W&L, yet that group is a notch under the top5 LACs. UofR is considered like a Colby in the Northeast: good school but not close to elite.

Davidson is in no way more selective or well regarded than W&L.

It is from our area: NY/NJ top privates send higher tier of kids to Davidson, lots of overlap w Bowdoin admits.. W&L is more like a Colby.

W&L is higher than Davidson for all stat comparison points. W&L ACT Composite is 35/34/33 for 75th/50th/25th. Davidson is 34/32/21. SAT M + V (since Davidson does not provide SAT Composite) is 1530/1490/1410 for W&L and 1510/1455/1360 for Davidson. For Top 10% of class, it is 81.4% for W&L and 68% for Davidson.

W&L is a DIII school while Davidson is a DI school. The comparison between the non-athlete admitted students at the two schools would unquestionably yield very different results.

So you are saying the difference is Davidson has dumber athletes?

Exactly. Just like the Ivy League. I went to Duke and can tell you that there is typically a substantial difference between the academic profiles of the athletes in comparison to the non-athletes. Duke is large enough that this delta gets spread out across a wide pool of students so it's not noticeable. Both Richmond and Davidson are small enough that the delta has an actual impact on the admitted/enrolled student averages.
My neighbor is currently being recruited by Cornell and Columbia for football. This kid is a solid B student and there is no way he'd get into either of these schools without his athletic prowess. Not knocking him, just recognizing that he brings something other than academic ability to the table.

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Anonymous wrote:I was surprised to find out that University of Richmond is about as difficult to get into as UVA or W&M. I'm a life long VA resident, and I've barely heard of the school. You would think a school that's so selective would have decent name recognition. Can anyone not originally from VA offer any insight as to how it's regarded?

Acceptance rate is not selectivity. Uof R is a well regarded school, but they accept a slightly lower tier of student, comparing within high schools for relevance, than UVA and WM, as far as scores, course rigor. UofR is slightly less selective than W&L, but W&L often takes students who do not get into UVA , so it is not too competitive either. Davidson/Wellesley/Bowdoin are more well regRded and more selective than UofR and W&L, yet that group is a notch under the top5 LACs. UofR is considered like a Colby in the Northeast: good school but not close to elite.

Davidson is in no way more selective or well regarded than W&L.

It is from our area: NY/NJ top privates send higher tier of kids to Davidson, lots of overlap w Bowdoin admits.. W&L is more like a Colby.

W&L is higher than Davidson for all stat comparison points. W&L ACT Composite is 35/34/33 for 75th/50th/25th. Davidson is 34/32/21. SAT M + V (since Davidson does not provide SAT Composite) is 1530/1490/1410 for W&L and 1510/1455/1360 for Davidson. For Top 10% of class, it is 81.4% for W&L and 68% for Davidson.

W&L is a DIII school while Davidson is a DI school. The comparison between the non-athlete admitted students at the two schools would unquestionably yield very different results.

So you are saying the difference is Davidson has dumber athletes?

Bay Area resident. We were absolutely aware of University of Richmond. A solid choice, especially for business.

Richmond, the city, is seen as a cool, interesting mini metro. Not everyone wants a NYC intensity.

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Anonymous wrote:I was surprised to find out that University of Richmond is about as difficult to get into as UVA or W&M. I'm a life long VA resident, and I've barely heard of the school. You would think a school that's so selective would have decent name recognition. Can anyone not originally from VA offer any insight as to how it's regarded?

Acceptance rate is not selectivity. Uof R is a well regarded school, but they accept a slightly lower tier of student, comparing within high schools for relevance, than UVA and WM, as far as scores, course rigor. UofR is slightly less selective than W&L, but W&L often takes students who do not get into UVA , so it is not too competitive either. Davidson/Wellesley/Bowdoin are more well regRded and more selective than UofR and W&L, yet that group is a notch under the top5 LACs. UofR is considered like a Colby in the Northeast: good school but not close to elite.

Davidson is in no way more selective or well regarded than W&L.

It is from our area: NY/NJ top privates send higher tier of kids to Davidson, lots of overlap w Bowdoin admits.. W&L is more like a Colby.

W&L is higher than Davidson for all stat comparison points. W&L ACT Composite is 35/34/33 for 75th/50th/25th. Davidson is 34/32/21. SAT M + V (since Davidson does not provide SAT Composite) is 1530/1490/1410 for W&L and 1510/1455/1360 for Davidson. For Top 10% of class, it is 81.4% for W&L and 68% for Davidson.

W&L is a DIII school while Davidson is a DI school. The comparison between the non-athlete admitted students at the two schools would unquestionably yield very different results.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, that's how I read the comment, favorable to W&L. I mean, if the P was trying to distract, they probably would have posted about Davidson's higher ranking v. W&L in USNWR, WSJ and Niche, right?

Yes, they probably would have used that rather than points like W&L far outranks Davidson for ROI and graduate earnings.

+1 W&L is like UVA. Davidson is like W&M.

Perhaps, but UVA has engineering unlike the other schools (W&L has a tiny program). Engineers make 2X the earnings of the average college graduate, and that will skew the overall earnings numbers.

W&L may be a bit more business/finance oriented than Davidson, with Davidson producing a few more that go into academics or research.

W&L/UVA= Southern fratty, W&M/Davidson= quirky

Stereotype much?

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, that's how I read the comment, favorable to W&L. I mean, if the P was trying to distract, they probably would have posted about Davidson's higher ranking v. W&L in USNWR, WSJ and Niche, right?

Yes, they probably would have used that rather than points like W&L far outranks Davidson for ROI and graduate earnings.

+1 W&L is like UVA. Davidson is like W&M.

Perhaps, but UVA has engineering unlike the other schools (W&L has a tiny program). Engineers make 2X the earnings of the average college graduate, and that will skew the overall earnings numbers.

W&L may be a bit more business/finance oriented than Davidson, with Davidson producing a few more that go into academics or research.

W&L’s engineering is AWFUL! It isn’t ABET Accredited which is a massive red flag

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, that's how I read the comment, favorable to W&L. I mean, if the P was trying to distract, they probably would have posted about Davidson's higher ranking v. W&L in USNWR, WSJ and Niche, right?

Yes, they probably would have used that rather than points like W&L far outranks Davidson for ROI and graduate earnings.

+1 W&L is like UVA. Davidson is like W&M.

Perhaps, but UVA has engineering unlike the other schools (W&L has a tiny program). Engineers make 2X the earnings of the average college graduate, and that will skew the overall earnings numbers.

W&L may be a bit more business/finance oriented than Davidson, with Davidson producing a few more that go into academics or research.

W&L/UVA= Southern fratty, W&M/Davidson= quirky