Anonymous
03/02/2012 10:17
Subject: Re:I’m "closet" anti-LBGT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:its a choice. it is trendy now to be lesbian, kissing other girls, whatever. fine with me, but don't pretend it is some ingrained "wiring" when in many cases (not all) it is just experimental.
a previous pp made this point. Why would anyone freely choose to be considered the "failure" of society? Who would willing sign up for such punishment?
I guess my 15y relationship has just been one big trendy experiement. 'Cause you know there is nothing more fun than your own father calling you a 'disgusting piece of $hit who will never amount to anything" (nevermind the college degrees/jobs) because I love a woman. Yep. Fun and trendy. That's me.
PP, stories like yours break my heart. I know of families who have cut off their kids due to sexual orientation; I think if you're not capable of unconditional love you really shouldn't have kids to begin with. I've already told my husband that if any of my kids' friends are in that situation we are taking them in...no one needs to grow up like that.
Anonymous
03/02/2012 10:15
Subject: Re:I’m "closet" anti-LBGT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:50-100 years from now, the younger generation will look back and wonder what we were smoking disallowing gay marriage. And our generation will look back and long for the times when "things made sense". Just like we look back now and marvel at the utter stupidity of slavery and segregation and older generations long for times when "things were simpler and everybody not only knew their place but stayed in it"
No one was ever in the closet about their race though. Unless you could easily pass as a white person, black people were unable to hide their race. You can hide your sexuality and because of this I would not say that it is comparable to racism or slavery. While no one should ever have to hide it, it is possible unlike skin color.
being in the closet is not the point. The point is society denying people rights because of their race/gender/sexual orientation. Essentially saying to them, "you are not doing anything wrong, we just don't like your kind"
In the eyes of most Americans, would they say it is easier to be a gay white man in America or a black man of any sexual orientation in this country? I still believe that the gay or straight white man would be given the advantages. There are many people of all races that would lock their doors or cross the street if a Black man approached even if he was a gay Black man. I believe these issues are larger than sexual orientation discrimination.
Anonymous
03/02/2012 10:14
Subject: Re:I’m "closet" anti-LBGT
OP, it sounds to me as if you are experiencing some cognitive dissonance -- a disconnect between what you actually think, and what you believe you "should" think. Either you have to change the way you actually think -- thereby striving to be the better person you can be; or you can accept who you are right now -- which is a person who believes (without any foundation I can discern from your posts) that LGBT people are less fully human than you are and are entitled to fewer rights. If you go the latter route, step up and own it. There will be consequences either way. But either beats being a hypocrite, and a closet bigot. And, by the way, just because a bunch of posters on DCUM are also eager to (anonymously) reveal themselves as closeted bigots does not make your bigotry or your hypocrisy OK.
Anonymous
03/02/2012 10:14
Subject: I’m "closet" anti-LBGT
Did everyone from Prince Hillbilly County just land on this tread and share their thoughts? Because this it totally some wacky shit! Many of you have serious issues. It's not the other way around. Own it!
Anonymous
03/02/2012 10:13
Subject: Re:I’m "closet" anti-LBGT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Thanks for making me wonder if some of our straight friends secretly think our marriage should be recognized.
sad to think pp but they probably do.
PP, If I'm one of your straight friends, I hope you know that I cried when CA passed Prop 8 and cheered for the decision overturning it and for every state recognizing marriage equality. I don't show you how excited I am about it because I don't want you to think that I'm only talking to you about it because you're gay.
And, I am happy that my kids have you in their lives because if one or more turns out to be gay or lesbian, I am glad that they will have someone in their lives that can understand them in a way that I'm unable to. And if they're straight I'm thrilled that they will be able to laugh at the absurd caricatures of gays and lesbians painted by the right-wings because they know firsthand how kind and committed you are.
Anonymous
03/02/2012 10:12
Subject: Re:I’m "closet" anti-LBGT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:its a choice. it is trendy now to be lesbian, kissing other girls, whatever. fine with me, but don't pretend it is some ingrained "wiring" when in many cases (not all) it is just experimental.
a previous pp made this point. Why would anyone freely choose to be considered the "failure" of society? Who would willing sign up for such punishment?
I guess my 15y relationship has just been one big trendy experiement. 'Cause you know there is nothing more fun than your own father calling you a 'disgusting piece of $hit who will never amount to anything" (nevermind the college degrees/jobs) because I love a woman. Yep. Fun and trendy. That's me.
Anonymous
03/02/2012 10:07
Subject: Re:I’m "closet" anti-LBGT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Thanks for making me wonder if some of our straight friends secretly think our marriage should be recognized.
sad to think pp but they probably do.
Its not just the gay thing. People are just judgmental -- take a look at the various things people flip out about on DCUM (an anonymous forum).
People will judge you for the car you drive, the house you live in, whether you drop your kid at the busstop, if you prep your kids for tests, if you allow them to eat non-organics, if you accept linkedIn invites, if you return shoes to stores...
Don't worry about what others may think -- just live your life.
Judging is one thing. No one is saying that people who eat non-organic food shouldn't be allowed to marry the person they love.
Anonymous
03/02/2012 10:06
Subject: Re:I’m "closet" anti-LBGT
Anonymous wrote:its a choice. it is trendy now to be lesbian, kissing other girls, whatever. fine with me, but don't pretend it is some ingrained "wiring" when in many cases (not all) it is just experimental.
a previous pp made this point. Why would anyone freely choose to be considered the "failure" of society? Who would willing sign up for such punishment?
Anonymous
03/02/2012 10:06
Subject: Re:I’m "closet" anti-LBGT
Anonymous wrote:its a choice. it is trendy now to be lesbian, kissing other girls, whatever. fine with me, but don't pretend it is some ingrained "wiring" when in many cases (not all) it is just experimental.
This just makes no sense to me. When you have credible politicians comparing your relationships to bestiality, when you have substantially higher suicide risks, when you have regular harassment and laws banning you from adopting children or marrying the person you love...overall, we are awful to gays. Awful. Why on earth would someone choose this?
Anonymous
03/02/2012 10:04
Subject: Re:I’m "closet" anti-LBGT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:50-100 years from now, the younger generation will look back and wonder what we were smoking disallowing gay marriage. And our generation will look back and long for the times when "things made sense". Just like we look back now and marvel at the utter stupidity of slavery and segregation and older generations long for times when "things were simpler and everybody not only knew their place but stayed in it"
No one was ever in the closet about their race though. Unless you could easily pass as a white person, black people were unable to hide their race. You can hide your sexuality and because of this I would not say that it is comparable to racism or slavery. While no one should ever have to hide it, it is possible unlike skin color.
being in the closet is not the point. The point is society denying people rights because of their race/gender/sexual orientation. Essentially saying to them, "you are not doing anything wrong, we just don't like your kind"
Anonymous
03/02/2012 10:03
Subject: Re:I’m "closet" anti-LBGT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Thanks for making me wonder if some of our straight friends secretly think our marriage should be recognized.
sad to think pp but they probably do.
Its not just the gay thing. People are just judgmental -- take a look at the various things people flip out about on DCUM (an anonymous forum).
People will judge you for the car you drive, the house you live in, whether you drop your kid at the busstop, if you prep your kids for tests, if you allow them to eat non-organics, if you accept linkedIn invites, if you return shoes to stores...
Don't worry about what others may think -- just live your life.
Anonymous
03/02/2012 10:02
Subject: Re:I’m "closet" anti-LBGT
its a choice. it is trendy now to be lesbian, kissing other girls, whatever. fine with me, but don't pretend it is some ingrained "wiring" when in many cases (not all) it is just experimental.
Anonymous
03/02/2012 10:01
Subject: Re:I’m "closet" anti-LBGT
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:50-100 years from now, the younger generation will look back and wonder what we were smoking disallowing gay marriage. And our generation will look back and long for the times when "things made sense". Just like we look back now and marvel at the utter stupidity of slavery and segregation and older generations long for times when "things were simpler and everybody not only knew their place but stayed in it"
No one was ever in the closet about their race though. Unless you could easily pass as a white person, black people were unable to hide their race. You can hide your sexuality and because of this I would not say that it is comparable to racism or slavery. While no one should ever have to hide it, it is possible unlike skin color.
What about interfaith marriage?
Anonymous
03/02/2012 09:59
Subject: Re:I’m "closet" anti-LBGT
Anonymous wrote:I’m OP. I am reading every single post and your thoughts are helpful to me. I had a feeling some people would suggest that I have gay/lesbian tendencies. Far, far from it. I am not a swinger. Neither do I fear or dislike LGBT people. I am just like most of the posters here – “normal”. There is one person I don’t care much for, that’s Rick Santorum. IMO, I think he really has major social (and political) issues. He is scary to me. But, you may recall that a few weeks ago Santorum had a back-n-forth exchange about gay marriage with a college student in NH, and I think he made some really valid points. Google it. One of his lines of questions was asking the students (and others in the audience) if they thought that people should be legally allowed to have multiple spouses. The audience’s response was a clear “no”. Well, Santorum went on from there… So, if you support gay marriage, do you also think that polygamy should be law?
Btw, the princess/princess book in the pre-school is totally crazy! That’s what I mean by “aggressive”.
So why is your marriage non traditional? In what respect?
Anonymous
03/02/2012 09:58
Subject: Re:I’m "closet" anti-LBGT
Anonymous wrote:50-100 years from now, the younger generation will look back and wonder what we were smoking disallowing gay marriage. And our generation will look back and long for the times when "things made sense". Just like we look back now and marvel at the utter stupidity of slavery and segregation and older generations long for times when "things were simpler and everybody not only knew their place but stayed in it"
No one was ever in the closet about their race though. Unless you could easily pass as a white person, black people were unable to hide their race. You can hide your sexuality and because of this I would not say that it is comparable to racism or slavery. While no one should ever have to hide it, it is possible unlike skin color.