Anonymous wrote:Catholics believe in the sanctity and dignity of all human life. They oppose the death penalty, doctor-assisted suicide, war, and abortion (including the use of contraceptives like the morning-after pill). Their position on abortion is consistent with their other views -- it has to do with the dignity of human life, not keeping women in their place. Abortion is the #1 issue for many Catholics because there are so many abortions every year. Many Catholics see it as genocide.

That's a crock. They found an exception that allows the death penalty. Many in the Church support the death penalty. They excommunicated Father Roy. They transferred priests allowing children to be raped and priests unpunished. The bishops are some of the most right-wing crazies around. Let's not forget how much PUBLIC money they get, and we can't say anything about how they use it? This mostly effects poor women--how many choices do people really have? Find someone else to work for? How easy is that in this economy, exactly?

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Anonymous wrote:This arguement has nothing to do with contraception.. Its a religious rights issue. If you want free BC dont work for a catholic organization. Done

If you're a black man married to a white woman, don't check into a racist hotel. Religious rights, people.

My religion believes children should go to work in factories when they are 8 years old. If you don't like it, don't send YOUR 8 year old children to work in a factory. Religious rights, folks.

Catholics believe in the sanctity and dignity of all human life. They oppose the death penalty, doctor-assisted suicide, war, and abortion (including the use of contraceptives like the morning-after pill). Their position on abortion is consistent with their other views -- it has to do with the dignity of human life, not keeping women in their place. Abortion is the #1 issue for many Catholics because there are so many abortions every year. Many Catholics see it as genocide.

No one forces people to work at these businesses that would deny them contraceptive benefits. Okay.

No one forces the Church to run a business.

Anonymous wrote:This arguement has nothing to do with contraception.. Its a religious rights issue. If you want free BC dont work for a catholic organization. Done

If you're a black man married to a white woman, don't check into a racist hotel. Religious rights, people.

This author pretty eloquently sums it up.

By the way the trans vaginal battle of 2012 is apparently moving on to PA now.

http://www.politicususa.com/en/transvaginal-war-on-women

Anonymous wrote:http://current.com/shows/countdown/videos/oklahoma-state-sen-constance-johnson-fights-personhood-bill-with-satiric-amendment

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Anonymous wrote:Anti-abortion and anti-birth control are about getting votes for Republicans. Read Crazy for God by Frank Schaeffer. He was an insider in the Christian evangelical community and present at the meetings int the 1970s between Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, and Republican leaders in which abortion was agreed to be an issue they could use to motivate evangelicals to deliver votes to Republicans. Abortion was not a national issue or much discussed out of theology and medical schools before the Moral Majority made it a political vote cow. This is also why Republicans, even when in control of every branch of the federal or state government, will not actually outlaw abortion- because it would kill the garaunteed vote cow. It is a tool of political manipulation, plain and simple.

Uh, assuming this is true, it explains why the politicians do it.

But given that it gets votes, it doesn't explain at all why a large percentage of people hold these beliefs.

Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear. The religious leaders agreed to start preaching about abortion and villifying it. Large numbers of people hold these beliefs because they hear about them at church repeatedly, and because their religions tell them to. But before the 1970s churches didn't talk about abortion much and it wasn't a big political or national issue.

Anonymous wrote:This arguement has nothing to do with contraception.. Its a religious rights issue. If you want free BC dont work for a catholic organization. Done

You just don't get it.

This arguement has nothing to do with contraception.. Its a religious rights issue. If you want free BC dont work for a catholic organization. Done

Here is just one of the emails I started getting shortly after the SGK thing. And pp NYT is very biased.


We just got an infuriating look at the top Republican priority. Not jobs. Not the economy.

It’s waging war on women’s healthcare.

My GOP colleagues back an amendment that would let any employer deny women basic contraception coverage for any reason. Then House Republicans opened a hearing on birth control and didn’t include even one woman on the panel!

We can only stop them because we hold the Senate. If just four Democratic seats are occupied by Republicans come November, we won’t have the votes.

If you see what they’re doing and your jaw clenches, make an immediate donation to the DSCC. We have only 6 days to raise $368,000, hold the majority and stop their attacks on our rights.

Fall short, and Republicans will take the Senate, the White House – total control of Washington. Then they’ll subject all of us to their draconian ideas.

Can I count on your help? Your $ right now will take the fight straight to the Republicans, and not a moment too soon!

We’re on the right track. President Obama is strengthening our middle class, creating good jobs and moving our nation forward. It’s no time to shift into reverse.

Meanwhile, Republicans are attacking birth control. Trying to end the Violence Against Women Act. It’s enough to make your head spin.

If you’re as disgusted as I am about this, I need you to turn that anger into action, right now. We can defeat them – even Republicans admit that their chances of taking back the Senate have slumped a bit. But we won’t win with insufficient resources. Remember: Karl Rove and his shady friends are spending $120 million to defeat Democratic candidates.

If we can raise $368,000 by the end of the month, we’ll be able to stop them from taking the Senate and White House. If we don’t, we can’t.

Your $ right now will help defeat the extreme Republicans. What you do right now will make a huge difference in the fight going forward!

This fight isn’t just about health care, or women’s rights, or economics. It’s about the kind of country we want to live in. And I sure don’t like what the Republicans are pushing.

Sincerely,

Sen. Patty Murray

The orhtodox Jewish analogy makes no sense. Religions have some requirements that are only ordered for those within the religion, which is true of kosher rules.

No Catholic thinks that abortion is immoral for Catholics but fine for other people.

Anonymous wrote:Have no fear the women of DCUM you will still have access to contraceptives and abortions if Thayer is your choice. If these draconian laws are passed, it is the poor women of America that suffers. They cannot easily obtain pills over the net or fly to Canada, Mexico or Brazil for the procedures.

You're right, because Planned Parenthood and state assistance programs for poor women don't exist.

Have no fear the women of DCUM you will still have access to contraceptives and abortions if Thayer is your choice. If these draconian laws are passed, it is the poor women of America that suffers. They cannot easily obtain pills over the net or fly to Canada, Mexico or Brazil for the procedures.