Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh, Jesus H. Christ, people. Behold, the definition of feminism:

feminism n (1895) 1 : the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes 2 : organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests — feminist n or adj — feministic adj

So, if you believe in the political, social and economic equality of the sexes, you're a feminist. Congratulations! Your bra-burning kit is in the mail.

Confused? Read this: http://tomatonation.com/culture-and-criticism/yes-you-are/

Thank you. I am a man, and a proud feminist. Why? Because I have a daughter, and I would like her to make the same salary as a man in an equivalent job when she enters the workforce. Because she's just as smart as (in most cases, smarter than) her male counterparts, and she has every right to be treated as their equal (or superior, as warranted). Because she deserves the same opportunities as evary other kid, male or female. Because she shouldn't be afraid to raise her hand in school. Because she's perfectly capable of decidign for herself whether she wants to work outside the home or be a SAHM. Because she shouldn't be date-raped and told that she was asking for it. Because she shouldn't be fired if she has a kid. Because her opinions matter as much as any male's. (Again, more than most, but perhaps that's a father's bias.) Because western society (indeed, most societies) have always been patriarchial and male-dominated, and it has required a lot of effort to get to the point where women are thought of, much less treated, as equals. Because misogyny is alive and well in the 21st century United States.

I have a hard time understanding how any woman, or anyone with a daughter, or even anyone with a shred of moral integrity can NOT be a feminist, unless you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the term (as demonstrated by some PPs.) And to the one pp in particular, gleaning your perception of feminism from relationship discussions on an anonymous internet forum is the functional equivalent of taking relationship advice from "The Rules," or basing your understanding of men on Cosmo surveys. It's just absurd.

(While I appreciate the offer, you can keep my bra-burning kit.)

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh, Jesus H. Christ, people. Behold, the definition of feminism:

feminism n (1895) 1 : the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes 2 : organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests — feminist n or adj — feministic adj

So, if you believe in the political, social and economic equality of the sexes, you're a feminist. Congratulations! Your bra-burning kit is in the mail.

Confused? Read this: http://tomatonation.com/culture-and-criticism/yes-you-are/

Thank you. I am a man, and a proud feminist. Why? Because I have a daughter, and I would like her to make the same salary as a man in an equivalent job when she enters the workforce. Because she's just as smart as (in most cases, smarter than) her male counterparts, and she has every right to be treated as their equal (or superior, as warranted). Because she deserves the same opportunities as evary other kid, male or female. Because she shouldn't be afraid to raise her hand in school. Because she's perfectly capable of decidign for herself whether she wants to work outside the home or be a SAHM. Because she shouldn't be date-raped and told that she was asking for it. Because she shouldn't be fired if she has a kid. Because her opinions matter as much as any male's. (Again, more than most, but perhaps that's a father's bias.) Because western society (indeed, most societies) have always been patriarchial and male-dominated, and it has required a lot of effort to get to the point where women are thought of, much less treated, as equals. Because misogyny is alive and well in the 21st century United States.

I have a hard time understanding how any woman, or anyone with a daughter, or even anyone with a shred of moral integrity can NOT be a feminist, unless you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the term (as demonstrated by some PPs.) And to the one pp in particular, gleaning your perception of feminism from relationship discussions on an anonymous internet forum is the functional equivalent of taking relationship advice from "The Rules," or basing your understanding of men on Cosmo surveys. It's just absurd.

(While I appreciate the offer, you can keep my bra-burning kit.)

Anonymous wrote:Oh, Jesus H. Christ, people. Behold, the definition of feminism:

feminism n (1895) 1 : the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes 2 : organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests — feminist n or adj — feministic adj

So, if you believe in the political, social and economic equality of the sexes, you're a feminist. Congratulations! Your bra-burning kit is in the mail.

Confused? Read this: http://tomatonation.com/culture-and-criticism/yes-you-are/

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In recent threads...

The feminists cheered and laughed when Michelle Duggar lost her baby

The feminists jeered and lacked empathy for he military mom who died leaving a husband and kids behind.

The feminists blamed a dad for his wife's depression

The feminists put down SAHMs

The feminists didn't see why a father who is not with the mother should get visitation during the first few months of the baby's life because it is hard enough for mom and that is her time to bond.

This is why I do not identify as a feminist. Do these feminists represent all feminists - no of course not. But that is the voice of modern feminism that now comes through loud and clear. I will loudly speak out for human rights (of all people) but I do not identify as a feminist, that word for me is tainted.

Where in the world are you seeing these posts identified as being written by feminists??? It seems to me that you 1) disagree with the viewpoints expressed, and therefore, 2) attribute them to feminists because of some weird agenda you personally have. There are so crazy whacked out people on this discussion board. I can't say for certain because I don't read every thread and don't know who's posting, but they are generally not the voice of feminists today.

Why would you attribute the admittedly nasty responses to feminists? You could just as easily, for example, attribute the military thread's nastiness to people who are anti-military. Seems like you have a lens through which you are bound and determined to see things.[/quote

I don't have a weird agenda. I can't imagine anyone who holds a non feminist viewpoint or more traditional conservative viewpoint as hating on women who stay at home or for having more than 1 or 2 children etc. That is the 'empowered' feminist viewpoint and it lacks empathy for those women that feminists view as choosing non empowered roles or making non self-fulfillment driven decisions. As I said there are people like 11:50 who would consider themselves feminists but who have respect for all women but that voice only comes through on occasion on this board. For the record I also do not agree with bashing working moms or any anti-women sentiment.

See, there's your problem. Those aren't feminists. Those are assholes. And guess what: YOU are a feminist! Woo hoo! No more armpit shaving for you!