Anonymous
12/15/2011 10:39
Subject: Jubilee Shalom Duggar's Obituary
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't think the obituary was in poor taste at all. I'm not a religious nut but I have had friends/family that miscarried or had stillbirths and it was a tremendous loss for them. Families are entitled to mourn.
What so many of you fail to understand is... THEY ARE NOT MOURNING!!! THEY ARE PUBLICIZING!!! Don't you see the difference?
What actions are publicizing? Sorry I don't spend my days following celebrity twitter feeds and reading OK magazine, so seriously I don't know.
They are publicizing themselves. Anything to keep that TV contract going....
Anonymous
12/15/2011 09:39
Subject: Re:Jubilee Shalom Duggar's Obituary
...and for anyone who doubts that this is all about publicity, here's your evidence:
http://dlisted.com/2011/12/14/so-duggars-showed-photos-jubilee-shalom-her-memorial-today
"Sometimes you just have to sit back and type ........ and this is one of those times. Michelle Duggar recently miscarried a 5-month-old fetus she named Jubilee Shalom Duggar (that name, I know...) and the entire family held a memorial for her at their church in Arkansas today. During the memorial, they handed out professionally taken photos of Jubilee's hand and feets with the note "There is no foot too small that it cannot leave an imprint on this world" printed on top. The pictures from the memorial were posted by a family member on Twitter and now they're on TMZ. Yes, we're still living in a world where absolutely nothing is sacred.
The pictures really aren't that graphic and I'm sure you'll see them when TLC airs a 2-hour special about this. I've seen pictures of women holding their dressed up miscarried babies while the entire family is smiling. Some might say it's tacky as hell, some might say it's creepy as hell, but I've always said that you grieve how you grieve and I'll grieve how I grieve. And yes, I grieve by shoving my face into a sheet cake until I'm too bloated to feel emotions anymore. But the thing that really gets me is that church. That's not a church, that's a Las Vegas casino! I know I see Wayne Newton back there. They have fancy ass lights and LED screens and shit. It's like if Jesus was new money. I mean, don't have some homeless people to feed?"
http://dlisted.com/2011/12/14/so-duggars-showed-photos-jubilee-shalom-her-memorial-today
"Sometimes you just have to sit back and type ........ and this is one of those times. Michelle Duggar recently miscarried a 5-month-old fetus she named Jubilee Shalom Duggar (that name, I know...) and the entire family held a memorial for her at their church in Arkansas today. During the memorial, they handed out professionally taken photos of Jubilee's hand and feets with the note "There is no foot too small that it cannot leave an imprint on this world" printed on top. The pictures from the memorial were posted by a family member on Twitter and now they're on TMZ. Yes, we're still living in a world where absolutely nothing is sacred.
The pictures really aren't that graphic and I'm sure you'll see them when TLC airs a 2-hour special about this. I've seen pictures of women holding their dressed up miscarried babies while the entire family is smiling. Some might say it's tacky as hell, some might say it's creepy as hell, but I've always said that you grieve how you grieve and I'll grieve how I grieve. And yes, I grieve by shoving my face into a sheet cake until I'm too bloated to feel emotions anymore. But the thing that really gets me is that church. That's not a church, that's a Las Vegas casino! I know I see Wayne Newton back there. They have fancy ass lights and LED screens and shit. It's like if Jesus was new money. I mean, don't have some homeless people to feed?"
Anonymous
12/15/2011 08:42
Subject: Jubilee Shalom Duggar's Obituary
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't think the obituary was in poor taste at all. I'm not a religious nut but I have had friends/family that miscarried or had stillbirths and it was a tremendous loss for them. Families are entitled to mourn.
What so many of you fail to understand is... THEY ARE NOT MOURNING!!! THEY ARE PUBLICIZING!!! Don't you see the difference?
What actions are publicizing? Sorry I don't spend my days following celebrity twitter feeds and reading OK magazine, so seriously I don't know.
Anonymous
12/15/2011 08:33
Subject: Re:Jubilee Shalom Duggar's Obituary
For those many PPs who seem to not understand miscarriages, here is a comprehensive blog post that explains several things. Before you deeply hurt a grieving friend or coworker, please read. Perhaps since the author is struggling with infertility, you will be able to muster up some human feelings like empathy and compassion:
http://anunwantedpath.blogspot.com/2010/06/what-ive-learned-about-miscarriage.html
http://anunwantedpath.blogspot.com/2010/06/what-ive-learned-about-miscarriage.html
Anonymous
12/15/2011 08:31
Subject: Re:Jubilee Shalom Duggar's Obituary
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What is so different between a d 16w and 21w old fetus? I am pro-choice but if I was pregnant with a wanted baby and lost it at 16 weeks, after feeling "it" move, seeing the sonogram, arms, hands, etc... I might morn it enough to feel the need for a burial/death notice. For each their own.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What a mean-spirited thread, OP.
I totally agree.
Plus, almost everybody gets an obit, and this doesn't seem out of line with some of the ones you see any day in the Post.
Anyone who can pay gets a death notice, but if everyone who miscarried a baby had a death notice published, there wouldn't be room for anyone else in that section.
Michelle D. miscarried this baby that stopped growing at 16 weeks. That is a miscarriage, not a stillbirth.
This of course is as opposed to an "unwanted baby," which would somehow be different? For you, perhaps, but not for the fetus...
Exactly, you got my point!If it was wanted, I would probably grow attached, see that promise of a baby more "real..." daydream, etc. If it was unwanted, I would have aborted before it got to 12w, and in case I hadn't, I would be thankful nature took it's course and I was spared the burden of an unwanted child.
Society is on its way down when children are seen as "burdens."
Anonymous
12/15/2011 02:06
Subject: Re:Jubilee Shalom Duggar's Obituary
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What is so different between a d 16w and 21w old fetus? I am pro-choice but if I was pregnant with a wanted baby and lost it at 16 weeks, after feeling "it" move, seeing the sonogram, arms, hands, etc... I might morn it enough to feel the need for a burial/death notice. For each their own.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What a mean-spirited thread, OP.
I totally agree.
Plus, almost everybody gets an obit, and this doesn't seem out of line with some of the ones you see any day in the Post.
Anyone who can pay gets a death notice, but if everyone who miscarried a baby had a death notice published, there wouldn't be room for anyone else in that section.
Michelle D. miscarried this baby that stopped growing at 16 weeks. That is a miscarriage, not a stillbirth.
This of course is as opposed to an "unwanted baby," which would somehow be different? For you, perhaps, but not for the fetus...
Exactly, you got my point!
If it was wanted, I would probably grow attached, see that promise of a baby more "real..." daydream, etc. If it was unwanted, I would have aborted before it got to 12w, and in case I hadn't, I would be thankful nature took it's course and I was spared the burden of an unwanted child.
Anonymous
12/15/2011 01:33
Subject: Jubilee Shalom Duggar's Obituary
I think they're publicizing their grief.
And I, as a fan, really appreciate their thoughtfulness during this time of pain and loss.
And I, as a fan, really appreciate their thoughtfulness during this time of pain and loss.
Anonymous
12/14/2011 21:16
Subject: Jubilee Shalom Duggar's Obituary
Anonymous wrote:I don't think the obituary was in poor taste at all. I'm not a religious nut but I have had friends/family that miscarried or had stillbirths and it was a tremendous loss for them. Families are entitled to mourn.
What so many of you fail to understand is... THEY ARE NOT MOURNING!!! THEY ARE PUBLICIZING!!! Don't you see the difference?
Anonymous
12/14/2011 21:13
Subject: Re:Jubilee Shalom Duggar's Obituary
Anonymous wrote:What is so different between a d 16w and 21w old fetus? I am pro-choice but if I was pregnant with a wanted baby and lost it at 16 weeks, after feeling "it" move, seeing the sonogram, arms, hands, etc... I might morn it enough to feel the need for a burial/death notice. For each their own.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What a mean-spirited thread, OP.
I totally agree.
Plus, almost everybody gets an obit, and this doesn't seem out of line with some of the ones you see any day in the Post.
Anyone who can pay gets a death notice, but if everyone who miscarried a baby had a death notice published, there wouldn't be room for anyone else in that section.
Michelle D. miscarried this baby that stopped growing at 16 weeks. That is a miscarriage, not a stillbirth.
This of course is as opposed to an "unwanted baby," which would somehow be different? For you, perhaps, but not for the fetus...
Anonymous
12/14/2011 20:55
Subject: Jubilee Shalom Duggar's Obituary
Op MYOB
Anonymous
12/14/2011 20:52
Subject: Jubilee Shalom Duggar's Obituary
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hi, I came to this thread for advice. I'm preparing an obituary of my own and I'm wondering what names should I give the three fertilized eggs that didnt' take during my last round of IVF?
Couldabeen, Shouldabeen, Wouldabeen. Middle names Hope, Faith, Joy.
Well played, Ladies. Well Played
Anonymous
12/14/2011 19:32
Subject: Jubilee Shalom Duggar's Obituary
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Hi, I came to this thread for advice. I'm preparing an obituary of my own and I'm wondering what names should I give the three fertilized eggs that didnt' take during my last round of IVF?
Please be smarter than MD and understand that you're not a fit for parenthood.
Totally uncalled for response.
Anonymous
12/14/2011 17:58
Subject: Jubilee Shalom Duggar's Obituary
*can't
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Anonymous
12/14/2011 17:57
Subject: Re:Jubilee Shalom Duggar's Obituary
Maybe I'll have to draw a picture.
I meant to say that PP is wrong saying the cut is done at 20 weeks.
And by mentioning practices in other countries I meant that there's no way to establish anything strict re fetal death. Even the
medical community in the US can agree on a guideline. Jus read the article.
I meant to say that PP is wrong saying the cut is done at 20 weeks.
And by mentioning practices in other countries I meant that there's no way to establish anything strict re fetal death. Even the
medical community in the US can agree on a guideline. Jus read the article.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The medical community has a pretty strict definition of miscarriage vs. stillbirth. They are both pregnancy loss - Miscarriage before 20 weeks, Stillbirth after 20 weeks. So, in strict medical terms, she had a miscarriage.
you're funny.
and I think you're wrong.
in the US, if I'm not mistaken 1sr tri loss is early miscarriage, 2nd tri until 24 weeks is late miscarriage and stillbirth from then on.
and the medical community has no "strict definitions" on anything like this. every country follows different protocols including on handling of the embryo, fetus or child.
OMG. Did you read at all? She said it was technically a miscarriage. YOUR timeline calls it a miscarriage. So you agree with the poster yet think you disagree? And who cares what the medical community in other countries say about it when it happened in THIS country and the Duggar family presumably gets their healthcare based on the AMERICAN medical community's guidelines and policies.
Anonymous
12/14/2011 17:53
Subject: Re:Jubilee Shalom Duggar's Obituary
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The medical community has a pretty strict definition of miscarriage vs. stillbirth. They are both pregnancy loss - Miscarriage before 20 weeks, Stillbirth after 20 weeks. So, in strict medical terms, she had a miscarriage.
you're funny.
and I think you're wrong.
in the US, if I'm not mistaken 1sr tri loss is early miscarriage, 2nd tri until 24 weeks is late miscarriage and stillbirth from then on.
and the medical community has no "strict definitions" on anything like this. every country follows different protocols including on handling of the embryo, fetus or child.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stillbirth
Good article on the subject.