Anonymous
05/14/2014 09:54
Subject: Does preparation increase IQ or is IQ fixed?
Anonymous wrote:Oh gawd. She's baaaaack. This was one of the best responses (not my own) on the thread, so I'll repost it, shortened slightly.
Anonymous wrote:... Practicing something like evaluating verbal analogies or repeating a string of numbers backward will increase scores on tests that measure those particular abilities (treating them as an index of intelligence) without having much impact, if any, on a person's intelligence.
If we lived in a world where rating the quality of verbal analogies or reordering numbers helped us do something more than raise our scores on standardized tests (e.g. in some bizarre alternative universe where doing such tasks well would enable us to solve problems, cure cancer, make money, invent technologies, live together in peace and harmony, etc.), then repetitive training to help our kids do these things as quickly and accurately as possible would make sense. But in this world, it's just a waste of time that could be devoted to a myriad of more intellectually worthwhile activities.
This is exactly the point. Building your skill in repeating strings of numbers backwards does NOT make you smarter. It makes you more proficient in ... repeating strings of numbers backwards. This skill may make you look better on an IQ test. But it will not help you grasp abstract mathematical concepts in AP Calc AB/BC.
Another poster at 12/05/2011 14:31 (again, not me) made a very good sports analogy to "Workout Warriors" who improve their NFL draft positions by drilling like mad on very specific skills like the 40-yard dash, bench press, three-cone drill. But because their skill is limited to only doing those very specific drills, they often are unsuccessful in the NFL because simply are not as good at the many other physical and mental abilities needed for football.
And this is the risk, my friends. Your kid who has mastered repeating strings of numbers backwards, so he gets into a magnet, is going to stumble when he has to call on real intellectual abilities such as the ability to think in highly abstract terms.
PS. Should add that the saner people on this thread seem to have reached a concensus that it is possible to increase intellectual and athletic ability somewhat, but within limits that are probably determined by genes. Buying a WISC test prep kit, however, is going to increase performance on a very limited skill set (repeating numbers backwards, flipping shapes), and is very unlikely to increase overall intellectual ability. To increase overall intellectual ability, play with your kids, take them to museums, and encourage them to read.
Anonymous
05/14/2014 09:51
Subject: Does preparation increase IQ or is IQ fixed?
Oh gawd. She's baaaaack. This was one of the best responses (not my own) on the thread, so I'll repost it, shortened slightly.
This is exactly the point. Building your skill in repeating strings of numbers backwards does NOT make you smarter. It makes you more proficient in ... repeating strings of numbers backwards. This skill may make you look better on an IQ test. But it will not help you grasp abstract mathematical concepts in AP Calc AB/BC.
Another poster at 12/05/2011 14:31 (again, not me) made a very good sports analogy to "Workout Warriors" who improve their NFL draft positions by drilling like mad on very specific skills like the 40-yard dash, bench press, three-cone drill. But because their skill is limited to only doing those very specific drills, they often are unsuccessful in the NFL because simply are not as good at the many other physical and mental abilities needed for football.
And this is the risk, my friends. Your kid who has mastered repeating strings of numbers backwards, so he gets into a magnet, is going to stumble when he has to call on real intellectual abilities such as the ability to think in highly abstract terms.
Anonymous wrote:... Practicing something like evaluating verbal analogies or repeating a string of numbers backward will increase scores on tests that measure those particular abilities (treating them as an index of intelligence) without having much impact, if any, on a person's intelligence.
If we lived in a world where rating the quality of verbal analogies or reordering numbers helped us do something more than raise our scores on standardized tests (e.g. in some bizarre alternative universe where doing such tasks well would enable us to solve problems, cure cancer, make money, invent technologies, live together in peace and harmony, etc.), then repetitive training to help our kids do these things as quickly and accurately as possible would make sense. But in this world, it's just a waste of time that could be devoted to a myriad of more intellectually worthwhile activities.
This is exactly the point. Building your skill in repeating strings of numbers backwards does NOT make you smarter. It makes you more proficient in ... repeating strings of numbers backwards. This skill may make you look better on an IQ test. But it will not help you grasp abstract mathematical concepts in AP Calc AB/BC.
Another poster at 12/05/2011 14:31 (again, not me) made a very good sports analogy to "Workout Warriors" who improve their NFL draft positions by drilling like mad on very specific skills like the 40-yard dash, bench press, three-cone drill. But because their skill is limited to only doing those very specific drills, they often are unsuccessful in the NFL because simply are not as good at the many other physical and mental abilities needed for football.
And this is the risk, my friends. Your kid who has mastered repeating strings of numbers backwards, so he gets into a magnet, is going to stumble when he has to call on real intellectual abilities such as the ability to think in highly abstract terms.
Anonymous
05/14/2014 09:18
Subject: Re:Does preparation increase IQ or is IQ fixed?
Preparation increases IQ. IQ is not fixed.
Preparation increases athletic performance. Athletic performance is not fixed.
Preparation increases creative performance. Creative performance is not fixed.
Preparation increases athletic performance. Athletic performance is not fixed.
Preparation increases creative performance. Creative performance is not fixed.
Anonymous
05/14/2014 09:15
Subject: Re:Does preparation increase IQ or is IQ fixed?
IQ is fixed, but you can prep for the test. Also, IQ tests were designed to help parents and teachers understand mental retardation, not to access academics among normal IQ persons.
Anonymous
05/14/2014 08:09
Subject: Does preparation increase IQ or is IQ fixed?
Deletion would be the best fate for this thread. OP could start a new thread to ask her question.
Anonymous
05/13/2014 23:35
Subject: Does preparation increase IQ or is IQ fixed?
Anonymous wrote:This topic is not about private schools. Can this thread be moved to a more appropriate forum?
Like where?
Don't some private schools require testing?
Anonymous
05/13/2014 23:31
Subject: Does preparation increase IQ or is IQ fixed?
This topic is not about private schools. Can this thread be moved to a more appropriate forum?
Anonymous
05/13/2014 22:17
Subject: Re:Does preparation increase IQ or is IQ fixed?
I am looking for this specific information. In the WISK IV test, there is a section where the 2nd Grader has to repeat the string of numbers backwards. What I wanted to find out was ... What is the number of digits that are tested for 2nd grader.. ex - 1 6 8 9 3 (string of 5 digits). Will a 2nd grader be asked to repeat more than 5 digits backwards. Thanks
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Anonymous
05/13/2014 22:11
Subject: Does preparation increase IQ or is IQ fixed?
I am looking for this specific information. In the WISK IV test, there is a section where the 2nd Grader has to repeat the string of numbers backwards. What I wanted to find out was ... What is the number of digits that are tested for 2nd grader.. ex - 1 6 8 9 3 (string of 5 digits). Will a 2nd grader be asked to repeat more than 5 digits backwards. Thanks
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Anonymous
12/06/2011 19:45
Subject: Re:Does preparation increase IQ or is IQ fixed?
Gotta love racial theories of intelligence.
No one has espoused a racial theory of intelligence only got you to think, or muse, outside your bubble.
Why does a certain group score higher on all tests? Does it mean Asian Americans are highly and profoundly gifted in the sense I read about many dcum posts liberally throwing this term around to describe their children (snowflakes) after similar academic performances? Or does dcum use a different metric for highly gifted and intelligence?