Anonymous wrote:I live on the other coast: All our bums are white. Leave the Latinos alone...they work. Hard. Lazy Americans want cheap goods but aren't willing to work.

They work seven days a week and send all their money home to families in their own countries.

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Anonymous wrote:So, what should be done with the illegals?

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you

Anonymous wrote:So, what should be done with the illegals?

Think Germany, late 1930s. The rhetoric is distressingly similar.

Anonymous wrote:i think there is a difference between undocumented persons who commit crimes and those who don't. deport the criminals, offer one time amnesty to the hard workers who contribute. and boy do they contribute. most americans don't want to take on the jobs they tackle.

also, i find it ironic for a country of immigrants to deport others whose stories resemble their ancestors. it wasn't that long ago that most of your ancestors were looked upon disparingly as well.

Anonymous wrote:By the way, it is not a crime to enter the U.S. illegally unless you were previously deported. So not all illegal aliens are "criminals." Now you can stop sounding ignorant.

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Complaining that a significant group of people are leading to the demise of the economy and the country . . . let's see, where have we heard that before?

I hope you're not referencing black people, because if so, your premise is very faulty. We (I'm black) were brought here by force and enslaved for hundreds of years before we were emancipated. We were here *prior* to the writing of the Constitution and when the injustices were finally realized by society, amendments were made to grant us freedom and full liberty.

Illegals enter our borders *after* the writing of the Constitution, so at their very entry in the US, they are criminals and should be offered no protection under US law. They certainly shouldn't be allowed to benefit from many government services.

Either enter legally or don't enter. What's so hard (or wrong) about that? I wouldn't be so bold as to enter another country illegally and not expect to be told/asked to leave and I certainly wouldn't insist that it's my right to have access to welfare, free education, free healthcare, etc. It's really quite absurd.

Not the PP, but its obvious if you have an understanding of history.
"I say: my feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Saviour as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to the fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as sufferer but as fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and of adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before—the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. And as a man I have the duty to see to it that human society does not suffer the same catastrophic collapse as did the civilization of the ancient world some two thousand years ago—a civilization which was driven to its ruin through this same Jewish people. "
"The Catholic Church considered the Jews pestilent for fifteen hundred years, put them in ghettos, etc, because it recognized the Jews for what they were... I recognize the representatives of this race as pestilent for the state and for the church and perhaps I am thereby doing Christianity a great service by pushing them out of schools and public functions. "

Sorry, but your post is way too convoluted. Perhaps try again in English?

The quotes are from Hitler. Summarized, Jews are the cause of the economic ruin of Germany. Replace Jews with spics and replace Germany with America, and you get the today's argument.

I don't know Hitler rhetoric offhand to recognize his deranged musings. Might I suggest a "credit" after a quote, next time?

And I don't think the comparison to Jews in Germany are in any way comparable to the US' problem with illegal aliens. BTW, your use of the word "spic" is extremely insensitive. Yet you call yourself a "sympathizer"?

First, I never called myself a sympathizer. Second, the term "spic" is derogatory, just like the anti-immigration folks have been on this forum. So I am using language they understand. Scroll back in the post... lets see... illegals "sneak over and plop out babies to get free benifits "... really? plop out babies? That's disgusting.

Lastly, most people can recognize the musings of Hitler. Something called History class. Did you ever attend one?

Saying that illegals "plop out babies" (which some people say about anyone that has 3+ kid) is comparable to calling them "spics"? You are so off the mark, it's scary.

And no, I don't know Hitler rhetoric offhand. If you'd taken English in addition to history, you'd recognize the importance of citing your sources.

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Complaining that a significant group of people are leading to the demise of the economy and the country . . . let's see, where have we heard that before?

I hope you're not referencing black people, because if so, your premise is very faulty. We (I'm black) were brought here by force and enslaved for hundreds of years before we were emancipated. We were here *prior* to the writing of the Constitution and when the injustices were finally realized by society, amendments were made to grant us freedom and full liberty.

Illegals enter our borders *after* the writing of the Constitution, so at their very entry in the US, they are criminals and should be offered no protection under US law. They certainly shouldn't be allowed to benefit from many government services.

Either enter legally or don't enter. What's so hard (or wrong) about that? I wouldn't be so bold as to enter another country illegally and not expect to be told/asked to leave and I certainly wouldn't insist that it's my right to have access to welfare, free education, free healthcare, etc. It's really quite absurd.

Not the PP, but its obvious if you have an understanding of history.
"I say: my feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Saviour as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to the fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as sufferer but as fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and of adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before—the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. And as a man I have the duty to see to it that human society does not suffer the same catastrophic collapse as did the civilization of the ancient world some two thousand years ago—a civilization which was driven to its ruin through this same Jewish people. "
"The Catholic Church considered the Jews pestilent for fifteen hundred years, put them in ghettos, etc, because it recognized the Jews for what they were... I recognize the representatives of this race as pestilent for the state and for the church and perhaps I am thereby doing Christianity a great service by pushing them out of schools and public functions. "

Sorry, but your post is way too convoluted. Perhaps try again in English?

The quotes are from Hitler. Summarized, Jews are the cause of the economic ruin of Germany. Replace Jews with spics and replace Germany with America, and you get the today's argument.

I don't know Hitler rhetoric offhand to recognize his deranged musings. Might I suggest a "credit" after a quote, next time?

And I don't think the comparison to Jews in Germany are in any way comparable to the US' problem with illegal aliens. BTW, your use of the word "spic" is extremely insensitive. Yet you call yourself a "sympathizer"?

First, I never called myself a sympathizer. Second, the term "spic" is derogatory, just like the anti-immigration folks have been on this forum. So I am using language they understand. Scroll back in the post... lets see... illegals "sneak over and plop out babies to get free benifits "... really? plop out babies? That's disgusting.

Lastly, most people can recognize the musings of Hitler. Something called History class. Did you ever attend one?

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Anonymous wrote:I'll be against when we open up immigration enough to fix our economy. No one wants to say it, but immigrants are vital to certain industries, both at the top and the very bottom of the labor force. And immigration is the fastest way to solve the housing crisis.

But we moan and moan about what a burden immigrants are, and how they steal our jobs. These are two falsehoods.

First there is no competition for jobs in agriculture for example. And in high tech we don't graduate enough qualified candidates. So by preventing immigration of engineers and scientists, we are just causing our companies to run on B level talent, which does nobody any good.

Second, immigrants do use services when they first get here. But over the course of their lifetime they start putting in much more than they take out of the system. Guess where that money goes? To pay for all of our retirees' social security and medicare.

What illegal immigrants do you know whot come here and become engineers and scientists?

Illegal immigrants do in fact take jobs that Americans could have. The difference is the wage. Illegals are more willing to work for a lower wage. That's a HUGE difference that folks seem to want to ignore. No one is refusing to do construction work..but what they are refusing to do is to take on such a dangerous job with full benefits and pay at $5.00/hour. No one is refusing to be your child's nanny...but they are refusing to do it for less than minimum wage and no health benefits, etc. Americans just want rock-bottom prices for their shit and illegals are the best way for them to keep up with the Joneses.

Construction jobs, for the most part, are not that dangerous. I know, my brother owns his own company. And the illegals make more than $5/hr. Try $15/hr. The uneducated Americans want more than that because they want to keep up with the Jones'. I'm sorry, but it doesn't matter what color your skin is or what you immigration/citizenship is, manual labor jobs do not rate high pay. Period. Americans want to get paid far more than its worth. Enter the immigrant who is willing to accept the low paying jobs.

Seriously, many uneducated Americans think they should be able to command a $20+/hr salary just because they are Americans. They want a wii and xbox and 50" flat screen tv and HBO and cinemax.

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Complaining that a significant group of people are leading to the demise of the economy and the country . . . let's see, where have we heard that before?

I hope you're not referencing black people, because if so, your premise is very faulty. We (I'm black) were brought here by force and enslaved for hundreds of years before we were emancipated. We were here *prior* to the writing of the Constitution and when the injustices were finally realized by society, amendments were made to grant us freedom and full liberty.

Illegals enter our borders *after* the writing of the Constitution, so at their very entry in the US, they are criminals and should be offered no protection under US law. They certainly shouldn't be allowed to benefit from many government services.

Either enter legally or don't enter. What's so hard (or wrong) about that? I wouldn't be so bold as to enter another country illegally and not expect to be told/asked to leave and I certainly wouldn't insist that it's my right to have access to welfare, free education, free healthcare, etc. It's really quite absurd.

Not the PP, but its obvious if you have an understanding of history.
"I say: my feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Saviour as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to the fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as sufferer but as fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and of adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before—the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. And as a man I have the duty to see to it that human society does not suffer the same catastrophic collapse as did the civilization of the ancient world some two thousand years ago—a civilization which was driven to its ruin through this same Jewish people. "
"The Catholic Church considered the Jews pestilent for fifteen hundred years, put them in ghettos, etc, because it recognized the Jews for what they were... I recognize the representatives of this race as pestilent for the state and for the church and perhaps I am thereby doing Christianity a great service by pushing them out of schools and public functions. "

Sorry, but your post is way too convoluted. Perhaps try again in English?

The quotes are from Hitler. Summarized, Jews are the cause of the economic ruin of Germany. Replace Jews with spics and replace Germany with America, and you get the today's argument.

I don't know Hitler rhetoric offhand to recognize his deranged musings. Might I suggest a "credit" after a quote, next time?

And I don't think the comparison to Jews in Germany are in any way comparable to the US' problem with illegal aliens. BTW, your use of the word "spic" is extremely insensitive. Yet you call yourself a "sympathizer"?