Anonymous wrote:Please don't fire her. She is a woman. Her words against yours are going to win every single time. Just let it be. And if you don't promote her in a few months years she will sue you.

The world doesn't need more people like you.

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Anonymous wrote:was there no back up plan?

I don’t get this. The colleague showed up to the event the night before and then ghosted. Of course there was no back up plan besides someone else winging the slide deck. Do you all have understudies for everything?

DP: Our events for clients always had double speakers, and we knew both parts. When I woke up with the flu the morning of my presentation; my coworker did my part too. It was hard, but he did it. You never know what will happen to people. If it isn't a part that can be cancelled without too much fall out, you need a back up presenter.

Op here.

She was taken off work travel (which are all customer facing events or meetings) for the rest of the year. She leads these and usually has a junior person there to learn and assist but in the event it happens again, the junior isn't prepared enough to step in. So, she's been replaced with same-level counter parts for work trips.

Please don't fire her. She is a woman. Her words against yours are going to win every single time. Just let it be. And if you don't promote her in a few months years she will sue you.

Anonymous wrote:OP- any updates? When did she finally check in with her manager, or did she?

yeah, i feel like OP has abandoned this thread. maybe because they reviewed the bar video ...

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Anonymous wrote:Depends how valuable this person is to the company going forward. If she's hard to replace, do not fire her. It's so difficult to find good people, even if they sometimes mess up. If she's not that valuable, then... yeah, all options are on the table.

It really isn't these days. And obviously this coworker who got drunk is not "good" and worth keeping around.

If it's a highly specialized position that takes a lot of learning on the job, it's such a pain to get a new employee up to speed. We cannot answer this for you, OP. So much will hinge on her worth as an employee, whether she had other issues at work, etc.

+1 Clearly the response could be different if this is a one time aberration in the career of someone who has performed well for 20 years vs. someone who just started and screwed up their first big shot by no-showing.

Anonymous wrote:She’ll probably get a job at DOD. There may be a cabinet opening. Or FBI. They’re looking for people like her.

+1 Better to get drunk and miss a presentation than get drunk and start a war.

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Anonymous wrote:was there no back up plan?

I don’t get this. The colleague showed up to the event the night before and then ghosted. Of course there was no back up plan besides someone else winging the slide deck. Do you all have understudies for everything?

Yes we all have backups and supervisors and SMEs and program managers who can step in… people get sick and get in accidents so yes we always have a plan b.

Some companies aren't good at assigning a proper backup, but it shouldn't be so hard for a coworker to read a bunch of slides at a client relations awards conference presentation and say they're stepping in for the drunk coworker to absolve themselves of blame for not being as polished as the person who was supposed to be presenting.

It's not like you're presenting someone else's PhD dissertation...

Anonymous wrote:Immediate termination.

This. No matter how valuable this person is.

I have been to 40-50 of these where I orgainized conference. This happens more than you think. I have people cell phones, room numbers etc. Someone should have checked on girl. I blame them as much as girl.

I also can switch schedule, can handle it till they get there. But someone should have been banging on girls hotel room door with a large cup of coffee in hand.

Anonymous wrote:Text to speech reading off PowerPoint is enough. No one pays attention anyway. They're all hungover too.

Lol true. Whoever is comparing appearing in court to a 30-60 minute morning presentation at a 3 day customer wine and dine doesn’t really get it. No one is there for the presentations. Yes, they been planning logistics for 6 months, but that’s because you need to reserve hotel blocks and conference rooms well in advance.

Text to speech reading off PowerPoint is enough. No one pays attention anyway. They're all hungover too.

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Anonymous wrote:was there no back up plan?

A back up plan predicated on the chance Suzie in sales got blackout drunk and no showed????

Who the eff do you all work for?

Back up plan in case suzie was sick, suzie's kid is in the emergency room, suzie was in a car accident, suzzie got stuck in traffic from a fatal accident, suzzie take Metro and the metro broke down, suzies parent died and she had to travel last night.....

We have people flying in and have staff has been working on something for 6 months, my staff better have back up plans for everything.

The backup plan is that the person with the next most involvement gives it on the fly. In NO major company I’ve ever worked for is there an equally prepared backup person in case someone gets killed an hour before the presentation. The understanding is that in such a serious emergency, things will be rearranged. But nobody is planning around someone dropping dead or no showing.

The next most qualified going through the presentation with the orignal presenter a few times before the day of is the plan here. For regular meeting I agree with you. When you have a 6 month team investment and people flying in, you should not be relying on the next person does it "on the fly."

Not how things work in my industry at a single top firm I’ve worked for.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:was there no back up plan?

A back up plan predicated on the chance Suzie in sales got blackout drunk and no showed????

Who the eff do you all work for?

Back up plan in case suzie was sick, suzie's kid is in the emergency room, suzie was in a car accident, suzzie got stuck in traffic from a fatal accident, suzzie take Metro and the metro broke down, suzies parent died and she had to travel last night.....

We have people flying in and have staff has been working on something for 6 months, my staff better have back up plans for everything.

The backup plan is that the person with the next most involvement gives it on the fly. In NO major company I’ve ever worked for is there an equally prepared backup person in case someone gets killed an hour before the presentation. The understanding is that in such a serious emergency, things will be rearranged. But nobody is planning around someone dropping dead or no showing.

The next most qualified going through the presentation with the orignal presenter a few times before the day of is the plan here. For regular meeting I agree with you. When you have a 6 month team investment and people flying in, you should not be relying on the next person does it "on the fly."

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:was there no back up plan?

A back up plan predicated on the chance Suzie in sales got blackout drunk and no showed????

Who the eff do you all work for?

Back up plan in case suzie was sick, suzie's kid is in the emergency room, suzie was in a car accident, suzzie got stuck in traffic from a fatal accident, suzzie take Metro and the metro broke down, suzies parent died and she had to travel last night.....

We have people flying in and have staff has been working on something for 6 months, my staff better have back up plans for everything.

The backup plan is that the person with the next most involvement gives it on the fly. In NO major company I’ve ever worked for is there an equally prepared backup person in case someone gets killed an hour before the presentation. The understanding is that in such a serious emergency, things will be rearranged. But nobody is planning around someone dropping dead or no showing.