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Anonymous wrote:As a figure skater with 2 hockey player kids, this is a stupid post. You are literally comparing apples to oranges. Other than the fact that you have blades on your feet ( which are completely different ) the two spirts are completely different and attract completely different athletes. It’s accurate to say that ice hockey now attracts more girls but little chance those athletes were ever going to figure skate.

I have a girl who does both. She's been far the best skater on her co-ed hockey team. She's still young and they keep trying to recruit her to tryout for a travel team - hard no. She's our baby and we’re done with that circus. Figure skating is nice because you can pick and choose competitions. Same with golf. I am done traveling for team sports.

Isn't it supposed to be about you daughter??? If she really wants to play travel hockey, or travel anything, shouldn't you support it. It's about your kid and not about you. Encouraging and supporting your child by spending your time and money is called parenting. It's nauseating hearing selfish parents bloviate on this message board endlessly about what they won't do for their DC even though they have the wherewithal to do so. Stop being so selfish, grow up, put your child's interest ahead of yours. They'll be out of the house and off to college before you know it.

Different poster

Hard no on the "if your kid wants to do travel sports you must just smile and write the checks"

Why feed the money grab?

So don't feed the "money grab" for something you can afford and YOUR CHILD wants to do and is committed to. Instead you will freely spend money on your [insert luxury brand car] because YOU want to, but sure overspending on something like that is certainly not a money grab. Right, ok, deprive your child of any personal interest they may desire UNLESS it aligns with YOUR interests. That works out well if your child loves skiing in Vail as much as you do, but if your kid dreams of being a ballet dancer at Juilliard and you just think ballet is so boring then you can enjoy your distant relationship with YOUR CHILD once they graduate and move out for the rest of YOUR LIFE.

The point is people like you seem to only do what they want and must run a household that is militant in THEIR beliefs only. Children sometimes have different personalities and interest than their parents. DC is generally an affluent area and most people can afford to support at least a couple if their children's interest$ whether it be travel sports, the arts, travel, culinary arts, etc. Of course you can't do everything, but instead of only doing what you want sometimes it's good parenting to spend your time investing in what they want regardless of your interest.

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Anonymous wrote:Regarding the focus on weight in figure skating, once they start higher level jumping, extra weight becomes a safety issue. They are landing all their body weight on a single piece of metal not much larger or wider than a dinner knife, at high levels of speed and rotation, at incredible force, often backwards, on a sheet of ice.

Keeping weight down becomes an issue of safety and basic physics.

American and western coaches are generally more educated, and try to guide students into proper nutrition. Russian trained coaches prefer the forced anorexia route. You have to choose your kid's coaches carefully.

I would love to see a post-baby Trusova comeback. First, for the drama. Second, she might be the only Tuberitze skater who could survive past 18. She’s landing quads again in practice and she’s no longer rail thin.

She is still very very thin, but by russian figure skating standards she is not actively anorexic so she is considered "fat" even though she is likely the healthiest weight she has ever been.

The Russian team coaches gave a recent interview claiming that Ilia obviously put on a few ounces of weight between his short program and long program, and those extra few ounces were why he fell.

You can't make this stuff up.

The russian skating coaches are crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:Figure skating at a high level is not a lifetime sport, the adult championships notwithstanding. It’s a toxic, perfectionist culture with abusive coaching practices that are not acknowledged or addressed. My daughter’s coach still weighed his skater and told my daughter to find ways to punish herself every time she missed a jump. Please, tell me another sport where two major female competitors (Gracie Gold, Amber Glenn) spent time in inpatient mental health treatment during their competitive years. Choose hockey or basically anything else.

The truth and nothing but the truth so help me god

Hockey has had multiple sexual abuse scandals over the past few decades.

Just finished reading We Breed Lions by Rick Westhead about how hockey culture has fostered abusive behavior for decades. It was a horrifyingly good read.

Anonymous wrote:Regarding the focus on weight in figure skating, once they start higher level jumping, extra weight becomes a safety issue. They are landing all their body weight on a single piece of metal not much larger or wider than a dinner knife, at high levels of speed and rotation, at incredible force, often backwards, on a sheet of ice.

Keeping weight down becomes an issue of safety and basic physics.

American and western coaches are generally more educated, and try to guide students into proper nutrition. Russian trained coaches prefer the forced anorexia route. You have to choose your kid's coaches carefully.

I would love to see a post-baby Trusova comeback. First, for the drama. Second, she might be the only Tuberitze skater who could survive past 18. She’s landing quads again in practice and she’s no longer rail thin.

Regarding the focus on weight in figure skating, once they start higher level jumping, extra weight becomes a safety issue. They are landing all their body weight on a single piece of metal not much larger or wider than a dinner knife, at high levels of speed and rotation, at incredible force, often backwards, on a sheet of ice.

Keeping weight down becomes an issue of safety and basic physics.

American and western coaches are generally more educated, and try to guide students into proper nutrition. Russian trained coaches prefer the forced anorexia route. You have to choose your kid's coaches carefully.

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Anonymous wrote:Figure skating at a high level is not a lifetime sport, the adult championships notwithstanding. It’s a toxic, perfectionist culture with abusive coaching practices that are not acknowledged or addressed. My daughter’s coach still weighed his skater and told my daughter to find ways to punish herself every time she missed a jump. Please, tell me another sport where two major female competitors (Gracie Gold, Amber Glenn) spent time in inpatient mental health treatment during their competitive years. Choose hockey or basically anything else.

While this is all true, so many of us end up back in the sport one way or another I would say a third of the competitive skaters at our rink are second generation figure skaters.

Bullshit

Yourh national level hockey is well know for sexual abuse of players.

San Jose youth hockey settlement:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/4-6m-youth-hockey-abuse-161957321.html

St. Louis youth hockey:

https://www.justice.gov/usao-edmo/pr/former-st-charles-county-youth-hockey-coach-admits-recording-sexual-abuse-two-minors


Chicago:

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/tom-adrahtas-youth-hockey-sex-abuse/



You can claim that figure skating is some unique hellhole standing alone in negative environments for children and their safety, while hockey is a wholesome superior alternative, but you would be wrong.

There are more, but I won't post them all.

Where there are youth, tgere are bad coaches and predators taking advantage of access to children and teens. It is not unique to figure skating.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Figure skating at a high level is not a lifetime sport, the adult championships notwithstanding. It’s a toxic, perfectionist culture with abusive coaching practices that are not acknowledged or addressed. My daughter’s coach still weighed his skater and told my daughter to find ways to punish herself every time she missed a jump. Please, tell me another sport where two major female competitors (Gracie Gold, Amber Glenn) spent time in inpatient mental health treatment during their competitive years. Choose hockey or basically anything else.

While this is all true, so many of us end up back in the sport one way or another I would say a third of the competitive skaters at our rink are second generation figure skaters.

Bullshit

Yourh national level hockey is well know for sexual abuse of players.

San Jose youth hockey settlement:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/4-6m-youth-hockey-abuse-161957321.html

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a figure skater with 2 hockey player kids, this is a stupid post. You are literally comparing apples to oranges. Other than the fact that you have blades on your feet ( which are completely different ) the two spirts are completely different and attract completely different athletes. It’s accurate to say that ice hockey now attracts more girls but little chance those athletes were ever going to figure skate.

I have a girl who does both. She's been far the best skater on her co-ed hockey team. She's still young and they keep trying to recruit her to tryout for a travel team - hard no. She's our baby and we’re done with that circus. Figure skating is nice because you can pick and choose competitions. Same with golf. I am done traveling for team sports.

Isn't it supposed to be about you daughter??? If she really wants to play travel hockey, or travel anything, shouldn't you support it. It's about your kid and not about you. Encouraging and supporting your child by spending your time and money is called parenting. It's nauseating hearing selfish parents bloviate on this message board endlessly about what they won't do for their DC even though they have the wherewithal to do so. Stop being so selfish, grow up, put your child's interest ahead of yours. They'll be out of the house and off to college before you know it.

Wasting money on travel aports is not in the child or families best interest for 75% of the people who participate.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a figure skater with 2 hockey player kids, this is a stupid post. You are literally comparing apples to oranges. Other than the fact that you have blades on your feet ( which are completely different ) the two spirts are completely different and attract completely different athletes. It’s accurate to say that ice hockey now attracts more girls but little chance those athletes were ever going to figure skate.

I have a girl who does both. She's been far the best skater on her co-ed hockey team. She's still young and they keep trying to recruit her to tryout for a travel team - hard no. She's our baby and we’re done with that circus. Figure skating is nice because you can pick and choose competitions. Same with golf. I am done traveling for team sports.

Isn't it supposed to be about you daughter??? If she really wants to play travel hockey, or travel anything, shouldn't you support it. It's about your kid and not about you. Encouraging and supporting your child by spending your time and money is called parenting. It's nauseating hearing selfish parents bloviate on this message board endlessly about what they won't do for their DC even though they have the wherewithal to do so. Stop being so selfish, grow up, put your child's interest ahead of yours. They'll be out of the house and off to college before you know it.

Different poster

Hard no on the "if your kid wants to do travel sports you must just smile and write the checks"

Why feed the money grab?

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Anonymous wrote:Women's ice hockey is actually a much better way to get into an ivy league school than figure skating.

Well….of course. Figure skating isn’t an NCAA sport…of course the Ivy needs to have a team. Not all do.

It's a niche sport, sure, but plenty of wealthy people care about it, and some great schools also have great figure skating programs. Dartmouth, MIT, Stanford, Berkeley, UCLA, UCSD, BU, Cornell, etc all field competitive figure skating programs now. There is actually a high concentration of skaters from the better schools, so perhaps there is a correlation between the grit it takes to train, starting as early as 5 am, for 3-4 hours every morning before school, and success in school. Like almost all college athletes, figure skaters will go on to do other things after college. So what?

Michigan, Northwestern, Notre Dame....

There are more

Anonymous wrote:Women's ice hockey is actually a much better way to get into an ivy league school than figure skating.

There are tons of high level figure skaters that end up at ivies, or high ranked piblics like Michigan

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Anonymous wrote:Figure skating at a high level is not a lifetime sport, the adult championships notwithstanding. It’s a toxic, perfectionist culture with abusive coaching practices that are not acknowledged or addressed. My daughter’s coach still weighed his skater and told my daughter to find ways to punish herself every time she missed a jump. Please, tell me another sport where two major female competitors (Gracie Gold, Amber Glenn) spent time in inpatient mental health treatment during their competitive years. Choose hockey or basically anything else.

The truth and nothing but the truth so help me god

Hockey has had multiple sexual abuse scandals over the past few decades.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Figure skating at a high level is not a lifetime sport, the adult championships notwithstanding. It’s a toxic, perfectionist culture with abusive coaching practices that are not acknowledged or addressed. My daughter’s coach still weighed his skater and told my daughter to find ways to punish herself every time she missed a jump. Please, tell me another sport where two major female competitors (Gracie Gold, Amber Glenn) spent time in inpatient mental health treatment during their competitive years. Choose hockey or basically anything else.

While this is all true, so many of us end up back in the sport one way or another I would say a third of the competitive skaters at our rink are second generation figure skaters.

Bullshit

Yourh national level hockey is well know for sexual abuse of players.

Anonymous wrote:Figure skating at a high level is not a lifetime sport, the adult championships notwithstanding. It’s a toxic, perfectionist culture with abusive coaching practices that are not acknowledged or addressed. My daughter’s coach still weighed his skater and told my daughter to find ways to punish herself every time she missed a jump. Please, tell me another sport where two major female competitors (Gracie Gold, Amber Glenn) spent time in inpatient mental health treatment during their competitive years. Choose hockey or basically anything else.

One can say the same about ice hockey.

Ask the Canadian mens and women's junior national teams:

"...Junior ice hockey players in Canada have been the subject of sexual assault investigations by police fifteen times since 1989.[1] In 2022, Police investigated sexual assault allegations that occurred in 2003 and 2018.[2]

In May 2022, it was reported that Hockey Canada—the governing body for the sport of ice hockey in Canada—had paid a settlement to a woman who alleged that she was the victim of a sexual assault perpetrated in 2018 by members of Canada's men's national junior team.

In June 2022, Minister for Sport Pascale St-Onge froze the federal government's funding of Hockey Canada, and called for an investigation into whether public funds were used to fund the settlement. The Standing Committee on Canadian Heritage also opened an inquiry into Hockey Canada's handling of the allegations, which revealed a history of sexual misconduct cases raised against the organization, and that the organization had spent C$7.6 million out of a "National Equity Fund"—funded partially via player registration fees—to help pay out settlements in 21 sexual misconduct cases since 1989...."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_Canada_sexual_assault_scandal

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Anonymous wrote:It's popular but a much different skating skill

No, I play in a women's league from time to time after figure skating through the gold level as a kid, and the skating skills are very transferable. You just assume a deeper knee bend and remember not to stand upright, but I can "hockey" skate as well, if not better, than the former D1 player on my women's team. It was a very easy transition. The edges are essentially the same. The rocker and the lack of picking take about a week to adjust to. Where I am absolutely incompetent is in hand-eye coordination. I can't complete or receive a pass because I never played a hand-eye sport. I play defense and just disrupt play, but outskating people.

It's much more difficult to go in reverse, from hockey to figure skating.

There is a pre Olympic IG video of Isabella Levito and some men's olympic hockey player trying each other's skills and drills.

Isabella was actually able to pick up the hockey skills quite easily, albeit slowly.

The hockey player struggled quite obviously at any attempts to do tge figure skating skills.