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Anonymous wrote:In 2025, 91 of the 102 teams in the Northern Virginia Swimming League (NVSL) were represented at the All-Stars meet, so to say that only top division teams send swimmers is not an accurate statement.

And how many of those teams were in the orphan tent?

Yes, my team sends a swimmer or two to the meet. We get to be in the orphan tent because we don't even have enough swimmers to be allowed space for a team tent. So my team should be paying $100 for that experience while D1 is sending 20 kids and has two team tents? That is a pretty disingenuous statistic.

There are lots of posts about how D1-D3 teams should be hosting these meets, running these meets, and giving up their facilities for them. They have the most swimmers attending and therefore their families should be running these events.

Anonymous wrote:In 2025, 91 of the 102 teams in the Northern Virginia Swimming League (NVSL) were represented at the All-Stars meet, so to say that only top division teams send swimmers is not an accurate statement.

And how many of those teams were in the orphan tent?

Yes, my team sends a swimmer or two to the meet. We get to be in the orphan tent because we don't even have enough swimmers to be allowed space for a team tent. So my team should be paying $100 for that experience while D1 is sending 20 kids and has two team tents? That is a pretty disingenuous statistic.

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Anonymous wrote:The Atlanta Swimming Association (ASA) is bigger than NVSL. They hold Champs at Georgia Tech every year and have since the 1996 Olympics. It takes place over 3-4 days in sessions, and it includes individual events and the relay events. The largest/most competitive teams are grouped in the same session, but times from all the sessions count in the final awards. There are a lot more swimmers in this champs meet, but runs like a well-oiled machine. While there obviously isn’t a venue like Tech up here, holding ASR and IAS together at a college pool seems like the best choice. Who cares if it’s yards? And they can reconfigure the LC pool with bulkheads to make it 25 meters. I’m sure they can even move the flags. I’d absolutely pay entry fees like we do for club meets to cover the cost.

ETA: Teams only go to one session, so it’s not like a club champs meet that requires swimmers to go 3-4 days in a row.

Nobody here gives a crap what the Atlanta Swim Association does. NVSL is an outdoor swim league. The Atlanta champs meet has eight-year-olds that swim a 25 yard freestyle in 57 seconds and pay $50 per swimmer. Barf.

You’re funny. Also, it is important to learn how to discern the main idea of a paragraph or piece of writing. Perhaps you might want to return to the 3rd grade. You must have missed learning this skill in school. I’ll help you, but just this once:

The largest summer league in the U.S. (all of which teams compete outdoors) uses a university pool for their champs meet. Yes, ASA does not have cut times or a specific number of swimmers per event, but that is irrelevant to the point of the statement above. Main idea: It is possible to run ASR and IAS out of a university pool, and ASA has an established model that NVSL could adapt, especially since there are far fewer kids swimming at ASR and IAS than are swimming at the ASA Champs meet.

You’re funny. It’s possible to run these meets indoors. NVSL has already said that running meets indoors is a hard pass. Yet people like you keep trumpeting that idea. So keep trumpeting, and virtue signaling, and being superior— no, really, keep being a bad listener.

DP, but how long can they say “hard pass” as this meet continues to become more and more of a production every year, reducing the number of places that can, or are willing, to host? You could also say it’s virtue signaling to insist these meets have to take place outdoors at all costs.

Not the PP. What has virtue signaling have any relevance to this thread?

Ma'am - this is DCUM. All threads end up with some virtue signaling at some point. It's what we do.

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Anonymous wrote:Is NVSL really contemplating just not having All Stars as a real option at this point? While I understand that this is not the most important event for older swimmers, it would be a real shame for 12 and under swimmers that would miss out on the experience. In addition to the actual event many teams have traditions for their All Star swimmers that especially for the younger ones turn into core memories of summer swim and to not give them that opportunity would be pretty unfortunate.

With over 100 teams in NVSL, I'm sure each team would happily submit a $100-$150 donation which would lock in $10-$15k in guaranteed host fees on top of what they take home in concessions. It feels like throwing $$$ at the problem would be an incentive for more pools to host.

I REALLY wish people would stop repeating this. My 17 year old would be mighty upset if either meet was cancelled - but relays in particular. It's his favorite meet of the year (and I know he's not the only one).

I agree that teens still like these meets, but not to the same level that the under high school crowd loves them. High School kids have more going on in their lives, more activities, sports, friends, travel, etc. so it is not to the same level of importance. And as a kid ages up their world expands and NVSL becomes smaller and smaller in the priorities. Working, applying for colleges, internships, long course, etc. all end up taking over. So it is not as big of a deal, it just isn't.

In 2025, 91 of the 102 teams in the Northern Virginia Swimming League (NVSL) were represented at the All-Stars meet, so to say that only top division teams send swimmers is not an accurate statement.

Anonymous wrote:The concept of per entry fees is not a new one to most families that participate in year round swimming. It seems to me this would be a pretty non-controversial amendment to the rules, but not sure of specifics of if off-cycle changes are permitted.

It will be implemented in summer 2027.

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Anonymous wrote:Is NVSL really contemplating just not having All Stars as a real option at this point? While I understand that this is not the most important event for older swimmers, it would be a real shame for 12 and under swimmers that would miss out on the experience. In addition to the actual event many teams have traditions for their All Star swimmers that especially for the younger ones turn into core memories of summer swim and to not give them that opportunity would be pretty unfortunate.

With over 100 teams in NVSL, I'm sure each team would happily submit a $100-$150 donation which would lock in $10-$15k in guaranteed host fees on top of what they take home in concessions. It feels like throwing $$$ at the problem would be an incentive for more pools to host.

I REALLY wish people would stop repeating this. My 17 year old would be mighty upset if either meet was cancelled - but relays in particular. It's his favorite meet of the year (and I know he's not the only one).

All Star Relays is FUN. The fact that they moved it to the morning is so much better. I feel like a Wednesday morning would not be so disruptive to a pool's membership.

The concept of per entry fees is not a new one to most families that participate in year round swimming. It seems to me this would be a pretty non-controversial amendment to the rules, but not sure of specifics of if off-cycle changes are permitted.

Anonymous wrote:I guess folks who really love these events are going to have to get it together and problem solve. Most people do not care.

I agree. Most of the NVSL does not care about these meets because only the top swimmers swim in these events. Mostly from upper division pools.

We have a 180 person team. We send 2-3 relays to All Star Relays and 4 to 8 swimmers to Individual All Stars. There is one family with multiple swimmers that make it in, in multiple events and it means the most to them. They also never volunteer to work either meet. They are to busy curating the perfect social media post of the event (with signs, happy ads, etc) and can't be bothered to volunteer and help. They will be devastated, but they would not step up. They do the minimum.

So the families that benefit the most on our team, do the least.

Anonymous wrote:Is NVSL really contemplating just not having All Stars as a real option at this point? While I understand that this is not the most important event for older swimmers, it would be a real shame for 12 and under swimmers that would miss out on the experience. In addition to the actual event many teams have traditions for their All Star swimmers that especially for the younger ones turn into core memories of summer swim and to not give them that opportunity would be pretty unfortunate.

With over 100 teams in NVSL, I'm sure each team would happily submit a $100-$150 donation which would lock in $10-$15k in guaranteed host fees on top of what they take home in concessions. It feels like throwing $$$ at the problem would be an incentive for more pools to host.

I REALLY wish people would stop repeating this. My 17 year old would be mighty upset if either meet was cancelled - but relays in particular. It's his favorite meet of the year (and I know he's not the only one).

Anonymous wrote:Is NVSL really contemplating just not having All Stars as a real option at this point? While I understand that this is not the most important event for older swimmers, it would be a real shame for 12 and under swimmers that would miss out on the experience. In addition to the actual event many teams have traditions for their All Star swimmers that especially for the younger ones turn into core memories of summer swim and to not give them that opportunity would be pretty unfortunate.

With over 100 teams in NVSL, I'm sure each team would happily submit a $100-$150 donation which would lock in $10-$15k in guaranteed host fees on top of what they take home in concessions. It feels like throwing $$$ at the problem would be an incentive for more pools to host.

To answer your questions, yes. It was stated that if some pools do not come forward then all stars would not be held this year. At the time they were just talking about IAS but since that time the host for ASR backed out as well. So, my guess, is now both meets are in jeopardy for this season. There have been years where these meets were not held, so it does happen.

As for the money, there are 102 teams in the league but most teams do not participate or send many participants. So it was suggested this past season to suggest entrant fees (per relay or per swimmer) that would given to the host pool. The league cannot impose that this year because they have to propose something like that in advance. This was put out there at the league meeting this past Spring as something that would go in effect next season. There are already pools in discussion to host for next season, so perhaps the guaranteed money is having the desired effect. So next season, looks to be good, but this season is in jeopardy.

The Board did state that if by mid-April there were no viable hosts, they would cancel the All Star meets for this season. It would likely just be a virtual meet then.

I guess folks who really love these events are going to have to get it together and problem solve. Most people do not care.

Is NVSL really contemplating just not having All Stars as a real option at this point? While I understand that this is not the most important event for older swimmers, it would be a real shame for 12 and under swimmers that would miss out on the experience. In addition to the actual event many teams have traditions for their All Star swimmers that especially for the younger ones turn into core memories of summer swim and to not give them that opportunity would be pretty unfortunate.

With over 100 teams in NVSL, I'm sure each team would happily submit a $100-$150 donation which would lock in $10-$15k in guaranteed host fees on top of what they take home in concessions. It feels like throwing $$$ at the problem would be an incentive for more pools to host.

I asked our team rep if there was any updates and they said they have heard nothing from NVSL.

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Anonymous wrote:The Atlanta Swimming Association (ASA) is bigger than NVSL. They hold Champs at Georgia Tech every year and have since the 1996 Olympics. It takes place over 3-4 days in sessions, and it includes individual events and the relay events. The largest/most competitive teams are grouped in the same session, but times from all the sessions count in the final awards. There are a lot more swimmers in this champs meet, but runs like a well-oiled machine. While there obviously isn’t a venue like Tech up here, holding ASR and IAS together at a college pool seems like the best choice. Who cares if it’s yards? And they can reconfigure the LC pool with bulkheads to make it 25 meters. I’m sure they can even move the flags. I’d absolutely pay entry fees like we do for club meets to cover the cost.

ETA: Teams only go to one session, so it’s not like a club champs meet that requires swimmers to go 3-4 days in a row.

Nobody here gives a crap what the Atlanta Swim Association does. NVSL is an outdoor swim league. The Atlanta champs meet has eight-year-olds that swim a 25 yard freestyle in 57 seconds and pay $50 per swimmer. Barf.

You’re funny. Also, it is important to learn how to discern the main idea of a paragraph or piece of writing. Perhaps you might want to return to the 3rd grade. You must have missed learning this skill in school. I’ll help you, but just this once:

The largest summer league in the U.S. (all of which teams compete outdoors) uses a university pool for their champs meet. Yes, ASA does not have cut times or a specific number of swimmers per event, but that is irrelevant to the point of the statement above. Main idea: It is possible to run ASR and IAS out of a university pool, and ASA has an established model that NVSL could adapt, especially since there are far fewer kids swimming at ASR and IAS than are swimming at the ASA Champs meet.

You’re funny. It’s possible to run these meets indoors. NVSL has already said that running meets indoors is a hard pass. Yet people like you keep trumpeting that idea. So keep trumpeting, and virtue signaling, and being superior— no, really, keep being a bad listener.

DP, but how long can they say “hard pass” as this meet continues to become more and more of a production every year, reducing the number of places that can, or are willing, to host? You could also say it’s virtue signaling to insist these meets have to take place outdoors at all costs.

Not the PP. What has virtue signaling have any relevance to this thread?

The PP claimed that suggesting the meet be held indoors was somehow virtue signaling.

Yeah, that person seems to struggle with understanding main ideas and vocabulary/phraseology.