Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree that the OP seems uninformed and not that bright.

School is mostly a one size fits all situation but the working world is not that way. People with learning disabilities find careers that match their strengths and interests.

+1 My kid has some reading issues, and while they would love to go into law, they know that they cannot because that would require a lot of reading which is their weakness.

So, they are going into something else that doesn't require that much reading.

BTW, I would rather my kid not have this issue and have accommodations. Believe me, it's been a painful and expensive process to get to this point. DC was harming themselves because they couldn't understand why they were having trouble focusing.

But the problem is that kids with weaknesses are insisting on getting accommodations instead of accepting the weakness ….

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So there's this cohort we've discussed at length that have had testing, homework, classwork, and so many other accommodations. Clearly we've discussed whether they are legitimate or not, and it sounds like certainly the case for many, but the volume at top universities beggars belief.

Are the accommodated somehow able to hack it in working worlds? Do they up their game? Do they take what look like serious credentials down the working ladder to somewhere less prestigious/rat-race-like? Did they never really need accommodations and were just trying to maximize results, to "play the game" and beat their peers who don't seek extra time, etc.?

I just get curious about the endgame, after graduation.

As the parent of a kid who needs and gets accommodations, I can say that a) parents do worry about how our disabled kids will fare in life; but b) workplaces are required to accommodate.

But you sound like you think we're just making it up. Based on IDK, since you haven't met my kid or others. Let me ask you - why do you think this is any of YOUR business since none of this affects your kid?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/40-stanford-undergrads-receive-disability-154137833.html

When 40% of stanford students receive academic accommodations, you can see why people might feel this way.

It is a form of cheating and cheating affects everyone, not just the cheaters.

I don’t know if it’s cheating but it certainly makes me think of elite schools in a different light. How does one of the best colleges in the country have a 38% disability rate (which I know is not just academic accommodations)? At some point it will be the majority of students. How can the supposedly smartest and most driven kids in the country need special accommodations to succeed? Meanwhile at UMBC, a diverse local school with far lower average test scores, the percentage is 11%.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree that the OP seems uninformed and not that bright.

School is mostly a one size fits all situation but the working world is not that way. People with learning disabilities find careers that match their strengths and interests.

+1 My kid has some reading issues, and while they would love to go into law, they know that they cannot because that would require a lot of reading which is their weakness.

So, they are going into something else that doesn't require that much reading.

BTW, I would rather my kid not have this issue and have accommodations. Believe me, it's been a painful and expensive process to get to this point. DC was harming themselves because they couldn't understand why they were having trouble focusing.

But the problem is that kids with weaknesses are insisting on getting accommodations instead of accepting the weakness ….

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So there's this cohort we've discussed at length that have had testing, homework, classwork, and so many other accommodations. Clearly we've discussed whether they are legitimate or not, and it sounds like certainly the case for many, but the volume at top universities beggars belief.

Are the accommodated somehow able to hack it in working worlds? Do they up their game? Do they take what look like serious credentials down the working ladder to somewhere less prestigious/rat-race-like? Did they never really need accommodations and were just trying to maximize results, to "play the game" and beat their peers who don't seek extra time, etc.?

I just get curious about the endgame, after graduation.

As the parent of a kid who needs and gets accommodations, I can say that a) parents do worry about how our disabled kids will fare in life; but b) workplaces are required to accommodate.

But you sound like you think we're just making it up. Based on IDK, since you haven't met my kid or others. Let me ask you - why do you think this is any of YOUR business since none of this affects your kid?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/40-stanford-undergrads-receive-disability-154137833.html

When 40% of stanford students receive academic accommodations, you can see why people might feel this way.

It is a form of cheating and cheating affects everyone, not just the cheaters.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree that the OP seems uninformed and not that bright.

School is mostly a one size fits all situation but the working world is not that way. People with learning disabilities find careers that match their strengths and interests.

+1 My kid has some reading issues, and while they would love to go into law, they know that they cannot because that would require a lot of reading which is their weakness.

So, they are going into something else that doesn't require that much reading.

BTW, I would rather my kid not have this issue and have accommodations. Believe me, it's been a painful and expensive process to get to this point. DC was harming themselves because they couldn't understand why they were having trouble focusing.

Anonymous wrote:Agree that the OP seems uninformed and not that bright.

School is mostly a one size fits all situation but the working world is not that way. People with learning disabilities find careers that match their strengths and interests.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So there's this cohort we've discussed at length that have had testing, homework, classwork, and so many other accommodations. Clearly we've discussed whether they are legitimate or not, and it sounds like certainly the case for many, but the volume at top universities beggars belief.

Are the accommodated somehow able to hack it in working worlds? Do they up their game? Do they take what look like serious credentials down the working ladder to somewhere less prestigious/rat-race-like? Did they never really need accommodations and were just trying to maximize results, to "play the game" and beat their peers who don't seek extra time, etc.?

I just get curious about the endgame, after graduation.

As the parent of a kid who needs and gets accommodations, I can say that a) parents do worry about how our disabled kids will fare in life; but b) workplaces are required to accommodate.

But you sound like you think we're just making it up. Based on IDK, since you haven't met my kid or others. Let me ask you - why do you think this is any of YOUR business since none of this affects your kid?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/40-stanford-undergrads-receive-disability-154137833.html

When 40% of stanford students receive academic accommodations, you can see why people might feel this way.

It is a form of cheating and cheating affects everyone, not just the cheaters.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So there's this cohort we've discussed at length that have had testing, homework, classwork, and so many other accommodations. Clearly we've discussed whether they are legitimate or not, and it sounds like certainly the case for many, but the volume at top universities beggars belief.

Are the accommodated somehow able to hack it in working worlds? Do they up their game? Do they take what look like serious credentials down the working ladder to somewhere less prestigious/rat-race-like? Did they never really need accommodations and were just trying to maximize results, to "play the game" and beat their peers who don't seek extra time, etc.?

I just get curious about the endgame, after graduation.

As the parent of a kid who needs and gets accommodations, I can say that a) parents do worry about how our disabled kids will fare in life; but b) workplaces are required to accommodate.

But you sound like you think we're just making it up. Based on IDK, since you haven't met my kid or others. Let me ask you - why do you think this is any of YOUR business since none of this affects your kid?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/40-stanford-undergrads-receive-disability-154137833.html

When 40% of stanford students receive academic accommodations, you can see why people might feel this way.

It is a form of cheating and cheating affects everyone, not just the cheaters.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They take the jobs best suited to their skills. There are so many jobs that don’t require testing, that have no long-term deadlines, aren’t project based, whatever. You get the accommodations to get through school, then you get a job which doesn’t need any of those kind of accommodations.

So just no positions like doctor or lawyer?

UGH. Sometimes I just want to throw something when I read nonsense like this thread.

My DC's specialist MD is one of few pediatric experts in the country in managing my child's chronic medical condition. The doctor has the same chronic condition and learning differences as my kid and advocates frequently in medicine and in education. It has been life-changing having that doctor's empathy, insight and medical support.

My kid has been admitted into highly competitive schools EA (one with full ride) and is awaiting ivy/ivy-plus results. Not sure of plans yet but I have every confidence that DC's future is very bright. DC fatigues easily and lives with daily pain, but is one of the smartest and most resilient people I have ever known. DC likely will face some struggles in college, but we're doing a lot of planning up front and DC will pivot along the way as needed.

I'm tired of trying to educate ignorant people. Either do some reading or shut up and stay in your own lane, OP.

The ignorance in this thread is mind-boggling. These people have no idea what they don't know -- and utterly lack curiosity to learn. Like autism and ADHD are imaginary and accommodations are a fun little game.

It's like they are against the idea of human beings flourishing, just on principle. Like they prefer a world in which people struggle to survive.

The individuals I am close to with late-diagnosed ADHD and autism -- people in their 50s -- mostly struggled (intermittently) throughout their lives. They underperformed, struggled financially, struggled with addictions to gambling and alcohol and pills. Beautiful, brilliant, creative people who could not understand why they couldn't do what seemed to come easily to others. A kind, lovely, brilliant man who took thirteen years to get his BA and gave up dream after dream along the way. He struggles with depression and I worry about him.

My friend who is an artist and writer and produces phenomenal work but struggles to sell. She has been diagnosed but resists the lanugage of neurodivergence: If you ask her, she's just "broken" and "incapable."

She's survived two suicide attempts.

Idk call me crazy but I would rather people who need support receive support, and that it's better for everyone to live in a world where where fewer people struggle and more people thrive.

My own daughter receives accommodations at college for a disability you won't have heard of and that you cannot see. She has a single room. That's it. Without it she could not be at college. With it, she's at a t20 and is knocking it out of the park.

God save us from the petty, small-minded, and ignorant. Try a little generosity of spirit, and pay attention to doing better and being better and if you don't understand why so many others have accommodations -- try asking, and then listening to the answers.

40%? Really?

And when wealthy neighborhoods have 4 or 5 times the frequency of accommodations as poor neighborhoods, you wonder about the equity.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So there's this cohort we've discussed at length that have had testing, homework, classwork, and so many other accommodations. Clearly we've discussed whether they are legitimate or not, and it sounds like certainly the case for many, but the volume at top universities beggars belief.

Are the accommodated somehow able to hack it in working worlds? Do they up their game? Do they take what look like serious credentials down the working ladder to somewhere less prestigious/rat-race-like? Did they never really need accommodations and were just trying to maximize results, to "play the game" and beat their peers who don't seek extra time, etc.?

I just get curious about the endgame, after graduation.

As the parent of a kid who needs and gets accommodations, I can say that a) parents do worry about how our disabled kids will fare in life; but b) workplaces are required to accommodate.

But you sound like you think we're just making it up. Based on IDK, since you haven't met my kid or others. Let me ask you - why do you think this is any of YOUR business since none of this affects your kid?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/40-stanford-undergrads-receive-disability-154137833.html

When 40% of stanford students receive academic accommodations, you can see why people might feel this way.

It is a form of cheating and cheating affects everyone, not just the cheaters.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They take the jobs best suited to their skills. There are so many jobs that don’t require testing, that have no long-term deadlines, aren’t project based, whatever. You get the accommodations to get through school, then you get a job which doesn’t need any of those kind of accommodations.

So just no positions like doctor or lawyer?

UGH. Sometimes I just want to throw something when I read nonsense like this thread.

My DC's specialist MD is one of few pediatric experts in the country in managing my child's chronic medical condition. The doctor has the same chronic condition and learning differences as my kid and advocates frequently in medicine and in education. It has been life-changing having that doctor's empathy, insight and medical support.

My kid has been admitted into highly competitive schools EA (one with full ride) and is awaiting ivy/ivy-plus results. Not sure of plans yet but I have every confidence that DC's future is very bright. DC fatigues easily and lives with daily pain, but is one of the smartest and most resilient people I have ever known. DC likely will face some struggles in college, but we're doing a lot of planning up front and DC will pivot along the way as needed.

I'm tired of trying to educate ignorant people. Either do some reading or shut up and stay in your own lane, OP.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They take the jobs best suited to their skills. There are so many jobs that don’t require testing, that have no long-term deadlines, aren’t project based, whatever. You get the accommodations to get through school, then you get a job which doesn’t need any of those kind of accommodations.

So just no positions like doctor or lawyer?

UGH. Sometimes I just want to throw something when I read nonsense like this thread.

My DC's specialist MD is one of few pediatric experts in the country in managing my child's chronic medical condition. The doctor has the same chronic condition and learning differences as my kid and advocates frequently in medicine and in education. It has been life-changing having that doctor's empathy, insight and medical support.

My kid has been admitted into highly competitive schools EA (one with full ride) and is awaiting ivy/ivy-plus results. Not sure of plans yet but I have every confidence that DC's future is very bright. DC fatigues easily and lives with daily pain, but is one of the smartest and most resilient people I have ever known. DC likely will face some struggles in college, but we're doing a lot of planning up front and DC will pivot along the way as needed.

I'm tired of trying to educate ignorant people. Either do some reading or shut up and stay in your own lane, OP.

The ignorance in this thread is mind-boggling. These people have no idea what they don't know -- and utterly lack curiosity to learn. Like autism and ADHD are imaginary and accommodations are a fun little game.

It's like they are against the idea of human beings flourishing, just on principle. Like they prefer a world in which people struggle to survive.

The individuals I am close to with late-diagnosed ADHD and autism -- people in their 50s -- mostly struggled (intermittently) throughout their lives. They underperformed, struggled financially, struggled with addictions to gambling and alcohol and pills. Beautiful, brilliant, creative people who could not understand why they couldn't do what seemed to come easily to others. A kind, lovely, brilliant man who took thirteen years to get his BA and gave up dream after dream along the way. He struggles with depression and I worry about him.

My friend who is an artist and writer and produces phenomenal work but struggles to sell. She has been diagnosed but resists the lanugage of neurodivergence: If you ask her, she's just "broken" and "incapable."

She's survived two suicide attempts.

Idk call me crazy but I would rather people who need support receive support, and that it's better for everyone to live in a world where where fewer people struggle and more people thrive.

My own daughter receives accommodations at college for a disability you won't have heard of and that you cannot see. She has a single room. That's it. Without it she could not be at college. With it, she's at a t20 and is knocking it out of the park.

God save us from the petty, small-minded, and ignorant. Try a little generosity of spirit, and pay attention to doing better and being better and if you don't understand why so many others have accommodations -- try asking, and then listening to the answers.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So there's this cohort we've discussed at length that have had testing, homework, classwork, and so many other accommodations. Clearly we've discussed whether they are legitimate or not, and it sounds like certainly the case for many, but the volume at top universities beggars belief.

Are the accommodated somehow able to hack it in working worlds? Do they up their game? Do they take what look like serious credentials down the working ladder to somewhere less prestigious/rat-race-like? Did they never really need accommodations and were just trying to maximize results, to "play the game" and beat their peers who don't seek extra time, etc.?

I just get curious about the endgame, after graduation.

As the parent of a kid who needs and gets accommodations, I can say that a) parents do worry about how our disabled kids will fare in life; but b) workplaces are required to accommodate.

But you sound like you think we're just making it up. Based on IDK, since you haven't met my kid or others. Let me ask you - why do you think this is any of YOUR business since none of this affects your kid?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They take the jobs best suited to their skills. There are so many jobs that don’t require testing, that have no long-term deadlines, aren’t project based, whatever. You get the accommodations to get through school, then you get a job which doesn’t need any of those kind of accommodations.

So just no positions like doctor or lawyer?

UGH. Sometimes I just want to throw something when I read nonsense like this thread.

My DC's specialist MD is one of few pediatric experts in the country in managing my child's chronic medical condition. The doctor has the same chronic condition and learning differences as my kid and advocates frequently in medicine and in education. It has been life-changing having that doctor's empathy, insight and medical support.

My kid has been admitted into highly competitive schools EA (one with full ride) and is awaiting ivy/ivy-plus results. Not sure of plans yet but I have every confidence that DC's future is very bright. DC fatigues easily and lives with daily pain, but is one of the smartest and most resilient people I have ever known. DC likely will face some struggles in college, but we're doing a lot of planning up front and DC will pivot along the way as needed.

I'm tired of trying to educate ignorant people. Either do some reading or shut up and stay in your own lane, OP.

The ignorance in this thread is mind-boggling. These people have no idea what they don't know -- and utterly lack curiosity to learn. Like autism and ADHD are imaginary and accommodations are a fun little game.

It's like they are against the idea of human beings flourishing, just on principle. Like they prefer a world in which people struggle to survive.

The individuals I am close to with late-diagnosed ADHD and autism -- people in their 50s -- mostly struggled (intermittently) throughout their lives. They underperformed, struggled financially, struggled with addictions to gambling and alcohol and pills. Beautiful, brilliant, creative people who could not understand why they couldn't do what seemed to come easily to others. A kind, lovely, brilliant man who took thirteen years to get his BA and gave up dream after dream along the way. He struggles with depression and I worry about him.

My friend who is an artist and writer and produces phenomenal work but struggles to sell. She has been diagnosed but resists the lanugage of neurodivergence: If you ask her, she's just "broken" and "incapable."

She's survived two suicide attempts.

Idk call me crazy but I would rather people who need support receive support, and that it's better for everyone to live in a world where where fewer people struggle and more people thrive.

My own daughter receives accommodations at college for a disability you won't have heard of and that you cannot see. She has a single room. That's it. Without it she could not be at college. With it, she's at a t20 and is knocking it out of the park.

God save us from the petty, small-minded, and ignorant. Try a little generosity of spirit, and pay attention to doing better and being better and if you don't understand why so many others have accommodations -- try asking, and then listening to the answers.