Anonymous wrote:I was pretty young when this aired (and I watched it originally), I would definitely look at it differently now. I remember the whole Shandi thing, and they just framed it as her cheating, not getting assaulted. But looking back the whole rest of it makes sense now.

I was really sad that Mr Mok cared more about the "violent photoshoot" than about someone getting raped.

Anyways, as I was reviewing comments about this show, I saw mention of another doc coming out Mar 11, from some of the other women who weren't included. So i'll be watching for that.

Anonymous wrote:What's up with Miss J? Dude can't put a sentence together.

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Anonymous wrote:The vibes I got from the main 4…

Jay: I did a lot of messed up stuff for this show. I feel kinda bad about it.

Miss J: Yeah, it was a hot mess. Oh, well! I had fun.

Nigel: Who me? I was just there for the paycheck.

Tyra: Of course I did bad things, but YOU wanted it! So really it’s your fault!

More like:

Jay: I started to get a backbone to stand up against damaging behavior and so I said I was done! (Actions show not done and not further discussing new found morality). I was then shoved into a minor role and fired.

Miss J: i was fired but got flowers beforehand. My old boss has yet to reach out.

Nigel:

Tyra: The bad things done were not my call/decision or a result of the times. Every change in the industry since is a result of the show!! I’m still doing important things now!

Seems like Miss J was the bravest about being candid (re Tyra)

How so?

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, the mean haircuts. Oh, and the full on sexual assault they just stood there, filmed, edited, and aired....

I’d be interested on the take of the others. She didn’t mention assault until now. Called her boyf and said we had sex…I am not saying it wasn’t an assault but I didn’t remember thinking it was back when I first watched it and if even worse footage exists, I wish they backed her and said it was wrong and she was assaulted.

She passed out during which means she could not legally consent. I assume nobody thought that way 25 years ago, but we do now and that wasn't managed well in the docu thing.

Ok, thanks. Definitely not blaming her but it would have been a great teachable moment to show or discuss what wasn’t seen.

I only listened (while walking) to when the model first discussed it but then was watching the part when it was reshown on Tyra’s show. It would be so powerful for kids to see and hear people saying:

- she was passed out
- she was non responsive
- she was incoherent
- she was uncommunicative

Etc. to show this was rape. In no way am I blaming this then-kid, but it is such a vital topic now, it is a huge missed opportunity to not show or discuss this. Yes, years ago silence wasn’t really taken as a no but this wasn’t showing it. No clips? Then say: “what wasn’t shown is that after this….”

Awful that so many were around her and failed to stop or help…even afterwards - speaking up and getting her help. I don’t mean just the other models. This poor girl…

Are you saying you want to see and/or hear the details of her assault? Did you want her to recount the trauma play-by-play for you? Did you want to watch the footage? Her trauma is not your teachable moment. Every time the footage is shown and she has to talk about it is probably re-traumatizing her. We can teach consent without forcing victims to the stage.

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Anonymous wrote:Sure, the mean haircuts. Oh, and the full on sexual assault they just stood there, filmed, edited, and aired....

I’d be interested on the take of the others. She didn’t mention assault until now. Called her boyf and said we had sex…I am not saying it wasn’t an assault but I didn’t remember thinking it was back when I first watched it and if even worse footage exists, I wish they backed her and said it was wrong and she was assaulted.

We used to blame the woman for drinking too much.

Not the man, for having sex with someone who was unable to give consent.

(Can you imagine a woman of that size drinking two bottles of wine? No wonder she passed/blacked out. The show should have intervened.)

But she knew she’d had sex. That’s different from blacking out unless they told her. I just wish she was a connection bw how she and the show portrayed it and present time (they told me we’d had sex, i saw her unconscious, we saw him on top of her and she was out of it, etc.) again, absolutely no blaming her but I wish they connected the past to the present.

a) you are blaming her
b) she said she could "feel sex happening".
You only want to hear more so you can blame her harder. Take your misogyny and GFY, try supporting women who've been sexually assaulted instead of attempting to constantly revictimize them.

Anonymous wrote:Poor Shandi! She told her boyfriend she cheated on him, not that she got raped. How awful.

Dani from Little Rock, Arkansas grew up to be really beautiful.

Tyra seems (like she's wearing a raincoat in these interviews) divorced from the reality of the impact she had on these college-aged women. Doesn't seem to take any accountability.

Anonymous wrote:I've only watched the first episode. I'm puzzled why Janice Dickinson isn't positioned as more of the bad guy. Tyra definitely looks more sane/caring compared to Janice.

Anonymous wrote:another thing missing was that season where they had to reshoot the finale b/c the actual winner tweeted something cryptic. Would love to have heard her story.

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Anonymous wrote:did anyone from the show become a top model? Yaya was smart and successful in her own right, Eva Pigford/Marcille has had some TV success but can't think of a legit successful model

Watch it and find out.

It doesn’t really tell this side. It showed Eva Marcille’s social media followers being 5 mill+ but that’s it.

Did you watch all of the episodes? It tells who went on to model, how their careers went, what they are doing now.

One was a realtor. One did a little modeling. At no point did it say x became a top model.

WINNIE HARLOW. She was mentioned in the show for those of us who pay attention.

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Anonymous wrote:I watched the first episode and didn’t really learn anything, and it felt gross watching these poor girls. Tyra’s idea was interesting but the show doesn’t age well. I forgot what a wretch Janice was, and I remembered that André Leon Talley was a judge at some point. Love him.

Nigel was hot back in the day, and I’d love to just see a show now with Jay and Miss J. I love them too!

Tyra's idea? Knowing what we now know about the "fashion/modeling" industry, a very safe bet there were some "Epstein" creeps over that show coming to fruition -- if not Jeff himself!

Anonymous wrote:I've made it through two out of the three episodes and honestly, I'm not sure if I can stomach another minute of Tyra's smug face when she's asked to defend her actions. The whole thing is grotesque. I feel ashamed of myself for watching ANTM in real time when it first aired, and how much I enjoyed it. Watching these clips now, I'm horrified.

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Anonymous wrote:I am so conflicted in whether I should watch this!!! I don't want to give her clicks on the show, and I stopped watching that show back in the day because the abuse was so bad, and I don't know if I can stomach this!! But I also want to see how they deign to portray themselves.

Production is not on Ms Banks' side in this show, I promise you. She tries to justify everything but she looks CRAZY doing it, and it's clear that everyone who met her, from models to coworkers, considers her a monster.

I did not get that from Ken or Miss J. Sounds like Miss. J is sadly waiting for her to still reach out.