Anonymous wrote:Well, crossing the border is a crime. ICE is just enforcing the law. What’s so hard to understand.
Yeah, it’s also very vague, which is why there are so many Supreme Court cases (hundreds) that try to define it. Any illegal can a get lawyer to press their cause, might be a big payday for them. But, doesn’t seem to happen does it ?Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would we put international law (totally undefined) ahead of own immigration laws already on the books, makes no sense. If Democrats want to campaign on repealing the current immigration laws in favor of open borders, then they should do it. If they win, they can have their way. But not following current law is not an option.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This five-year-old and his dad are legal. They have an active asylum case.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/21/ice-arrests-five-year-old-boy-minnesota
They WILL be released, you know, because they are legal. In the meantime, Kristi Noem endangered a child who came home to an empty house, endangered a family and neighborhood by leaving a car running, traumatized a five-year-old, and is terrorizing a family who is here legally. Our grandchildren will be paying the legal fees and therapy bills through their taxes.
Asylum seekers who enter illegally are supposed to be detained while their claim is processed. Biden refused to follow the law. He turned asylum into a free-for-all for all of the world’s economic migrants.
So process them in accordance with international law, and if they don’t meet the standard, send them back.
It really baffles me how much the “law and order” people are willing to set aside both law and order if it involves brown people or people standing up for the Constitution. You might want to consider if you’re the baddies after all. Take some time, because I’m sure it will be one of those “ego destroying” moments for you.
We actually have a very big law, the Constitution, with some very big amendments, like the Fourth. I’d be great if our cops could try following it.
No, it wasn't desperation. It was Biden's actions that made it seem like a reasonable opportunity. All these people supposedly fleeing persecution turned around and went back once Trump came into office.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You didn’t answer the question, if they’re here illegally should they be deported ? It’s not a trick question.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We can debate all day long how many illegals there are, but can we agree that those who are illegal, should be deported?
Immigrants are detained appearing in court for routine immigration hearings. What else are they supposed to do? They’re appearing regularly as asked.
I did above. Once again, "sure."
Now your turn. Can we agree that ICE going to courthouses where legal immigrants are going through the normal process and yet still being abducted by ICE is proof that they are not only going after illegal immigrants, and that this is bad?
They are not legal immigrants. There is no specific definition of 'illegal immigrant' but they are included in nearly every count.
When they entered the country, they did not have a visa, but the government let them in anyway. This did not give them legal status, and they were always in limbo subject to government withdrawing its protection.
We could be humane about it, though. If we set up a legal process for them to move through, in an attempt to gain some sort of authorized status, we shouldn't be pulling it out from under their feet.
Immigration enforcement is necessary. How we do it reflects on our morals and character, not theirs.
What does it reveal about their character that they made a deliberate choice to break immigration laws?
Desperation. And this is especially true for anyone coming through the Darien pass.
If it was ten people, as parole is intended, that would be one thing. Biden let in millions.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You didn’t answer the question, if they’re here illegally should they be deported ? It’s not a trick question.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We can debate all day long how many illegals there are, but can we agree that those who are illegal, should be deported?
Immigrants are detained appearing in court for routine immigration hearings. What else are they supposed to do? They’re appearing regularly as asked.
I did above. Once again, "sure."
Now your turn. Can we agree that ICE going to courthouses where legal immigrants are going through the normal process and yet still being abducted by ICE is proof that they are not only going after illegal immigrants, and that this is bad?
They are not legal immigrants. There is no specific definition of 'illegal immigrant' but they are included in nearly every count.
When they entered the country, they did not have a visa, but the government let them in anyway. This did not give them legal status, and they were always in limbo subject to government withdrawing its protection.
We could be humane about it, though. If we set up a legal process for them to move through, in an attempt to gain some sort of authorized status, we shouldn't be pulling it out from under their feet.
Immigration enforcement is necessary. How we do it reflects on our morals and character, not theirs.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You didn’t answer the question, if they’re here illegally should they be deported ? It’s not a trick question.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We can debate all day long how many illegals there are, but can we agree that those who are illegal, should be deported?
Immigrants are detained appearing in court for routine immigration hearings. What else are they supposed to do? They’re appearing regularly as asked.
I did above. Once again, "sure."
Now your turn. Can we agree that ICE going to courthouses where legal immigrants are going through the normal process and yet still being abducted by ICE is proof that they are not only going after illegal immigrants, and that this is bad?
They are not legal immigrants. There is no specific definition of 'illegal immigrant' but they are included in nearly every count.
When they entered the country, they did not have a visa, but the government let them in anyway. This did not give them legal status, and they were always in limbo subject to government withdrawing its protection.
We could be humane about it, though. If we set up a legal process for them to move through, in an attempt to gain some sort of authorized status, we shouldn't be pulling it out from under their feet.
Immigration enforcement is necessary. How we do it reflects on our morals and character, not theirs.
What does it reveal about their character that they made a deliberate choice to break immigration laws?
What does it reveal about your character that you make a deliberate choice to speed on the highway? Nothing, right? If I had a goal of living in the US I would see immigration laws as an arbitrary, artificial impediment the way speeding laws are. Who exactly is harmed by my living in the United States? The entire “oh you broke the law” discussion is so stupid because all of us break these types of laws all the time if it serves our purposes. It’s up to the government to come up with a justifiable and effective enforcement scheme.
Many people who aspire to live in this country follow our immigration laws. A family I know who are legal immigrants/naturalized citizens voted for Trump, because they were ticked off they had to wait to come here, pay fees, go through health screenings, etc. to come here while Biden was letting the whole world enter illegally at our border.
Apparently, you believe we should be a country with open borders and there are no harms to society from mass illegal immigration. Keep pushing these policies and see how you lose to Vance or another Republican you deem unacceptable in 2028.
I also find this argument absurd as an immigrant. You went through the legal process, and you got the benefits of that, which includes the ability to get the benefits of citizenship. You think the people who come here without that protection and could be shipped away at any time got the better deal? Bizarre.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would we put international law (totally undefined) ahead of own immigration laws already on the books, makes no sense. If Democrats want to campaign on repealing the current immigration laws in favor of open borders, then they should do it. If they win, they can have their way. But not following current law is not an option.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This five-year-old and his dad are legal. They have an active asylum case.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/21/ice-arrests-five-year-old-boy-minnesota
They WILL be released, you know, because they are legal. In the meantime, Kristi Noem endangered a child who came home to an empty house, endangered a family and neighborhood by leaving a car running, traumatized a five-year-old, and is terrorizing a family who is here legally. Our grandchildren will be paying the legal fees and therapy bills through their taxes.
Asylum seekers who enter illegally are supposed to be detained while their claim is processed. Biden refused to follow the law. He turned asylum into a free-for-all for all of the world’s economic migrants.
So process them in accordance with international law, and if they don’t meet the standard, send them back.
It really baffles me how much the “law and order” people are willing to set aside both law and order if it involves brown people or people standing up for the Constitution. You might want to consider if you’re the baddies after all. Take some time, because I’m sure it will be one of those “ego destroying” moments for you.
We actually have a very big law, the Constitution, with some very big amendments, like the Fourth. I’d be great if our cops could try following it.
Anonymous wrote:Why would we put international law (totally undefined) ahead of own immigration laws already on the books, makes no sense. If Democrats want to campaign on repealing the current immigration laws in favor of open borders, then they should do it. If they win, they can have their way. But not following current law is not an option.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This five-year-old and his dad are legal. They have an active asylum case.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/21/ice-arrests-five-year-old-boy-minnesota
They WILL be released, you know, because they are legal. In the meantime, Kristi Noem endangered a child who came home to an empty house, endangered a family and neighborhood by leaving a car running, traumatized a five-year-old, and is terrorizing a family who is here legally. Our grandchildren will be paying the legal fees and therapy bills through their taxes.
Asylum seekers who enter illegally are supposed to be detained while their claim is processed. Biden refused to follow the law. He turned asylum into a free-for-all for all of the world’s economic migrants.
So process them in accordance with international law, and if they don’t meet the standard, send them back.
It really baffles me how much the “law and order” people are willing to set aside both law and order if it involves brown people or people standing up for the Constitution. You might want to consider if you’re the baddies after all. Take some time, because I’m sure it will be one of those “ego destroying” moments for you.
Anonymous wrote:Well, crossing the border is a crime. ICE is just enforcing the law. What’s so hard to understand.
Anonymous wrote:Well, crossing the border is a crime. ICE is just enforcing the law. What’s so hard to understand.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You didn’t answer the question, if they’re here illegally should they be deported ? It’s not a trick question.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We can debate all day long how many illegals there are, but can we agree that those who are illegal, should be deported?
Immigrants are detained appearing in court for routine immigration hearings. What else are they supposed to do? They’re appearing regularly as asked.
I did above. Once again, "sure."
Now your turn. Can we agree that ICE going to courthouses where legal immigrants are going through the normal process and yet still being abducted by ICE is proof that they are not only going after illegal immigrants, and that this is bad?
They are not legal immigrants. There is no specific definition of 'illegal immigrant' but they are included in nearly every count.
When they entered the country, they did not have a visa, but the government let them in anyway. This did not give them legal status, and they were always in limbo subject to government withdrawing its protection.
We could be humane about it, though. If we set up a legal process for them to move through, in an attempt to gain some sort of authorized status, we shouldn't be pulling it out from under their feet.
Immigration enforcement is necessary. How we do it reflects on our morals and character, not theirs.
What does it reveal about their character that they made a deliberate choice to break immigration laws?
What does it reveal about your character that you make a deliberate choice to speed on the highway? Nothing, right? If I had a goal of living in the US I would see immigration laws as an arbitrary, artificial impediment the way speeding laws are. Who exactly is harmed by my living in the United States? The entire “oh you broke the law” discussion is so stupid because all of us break these types of laws all the time if it serves our purposes. It’s up to the government to come up with a justifiable and effective enforcement scheme.
Many people who aspire to live in this country follow our immigration laws. A family I know who are legal immigrants/naturalized citizens voted for Trump, because they were ticked off they had to wait to come here, pay fees, go through health screenings, etc. to come here while Biden was letting the whole world enter illegally at our border.
Apparently, you believe we should be a country with open borders and there are no harms to society from mass illegal immigration. Keep pushing these policies and see how you lose to Vance or another Republican you deem unacceptable in 2028.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You didn’t answer the question, if they’re here illegally should they be deported ? It’s not a trick question.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We can debate all day long how many illegals there are, but can we agree that those who are illegal, should be deported?
Immigrants are detained appearing in court for routine immigration hearings. What else are they supposed to do? They’re appearing regularly as asked.
I did above. Once again, "sure."
Now your turn. Can we agree that ICE going to courthouses where legal immigrants are going through the normal process and yet still being abducted by ICE is proof that they are not only going after illegal immigrants, and that this is bad?
They are not legal immigrants. There is no specific definition of 'illegal immigrant' but they are included in nearly every count.
When they entered the country, they did not have a visa, but the government let them in anyway. This did not give them legal status, and they were always in limbo subject to government withdrawing its protection.
We could be humane about it, though. If we set up a legal process for them to move through, in an attempt to gain some sort of authorized status, we shouldn't be pulling it out from under their feet.
Immigration enforcement is necessary. How we do it reflects on our morals and character, not theirs.
What does it reveal about their character that they made a deliberate choice to break immigration laws?
What does it reveal about your character that you make a deliberate choice to speed on the highway? Nothing, right? If I had a goal of living in the US I would see immigration laws as an arbitrary, artificial impediment the way speeding laws are. Who exactly is harmed by my living in the United States? The entire “oh you broke the law” discussion is so stupid because all of us break these types of laws all the time if it serves our purposes. It’s up to the government to come up with a justifiable and effective enforcement scheme.
Many people who aspire to live in this country follow our immigration laws. A family I know who are legal immigrants/naturalized citizens voted for Trump, because they were ticked off they had to wait to come here, pay fees, go through health screenings, etc. to come here while Biden was letting the whole world enter illegally at our border.
Apparently, you believe we should be a country with open borders and there are no harms to society from mass illegal immigration. Keep pushing these policies and see how you lose to Vance or another Republican you deem unacceptable in 2028.
Why would we put international law (totally undefined) ahead of own immigration laws already on the books, makes no sense. If Democrats want to campaign on repealing the current immigration laws in favor of open borders, then they should do it. If they win, they can have their way. But not following current law is not an option.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This five-year-old and his dad are legal. They have an active asylum case.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/21/ice-arrests-five-year-old-boy-minnesota
They WILL be released, you know, because they are legal. In the meantime, Kristi Noem endangered a child who came home to an empty house, endangered a family and neighborhood by leaving a car running, traumatized a five-year-old, and is terrorizing a family who is here legally. Our grandchildren will be paying the legal fees and therapy bills through their taxes.
Asylum seekers who enter illegally are supposed to be detained while their claim is processed. Biden refused to follow the law. He turned asylum into a free-for-all for all of the world’s economic migrants.
So process them in accordance with international law, and if they don’t meet the standard, send them back.
It really baffles me how much the “law and order” people are willing to set aside both law and order if it involves brown people or people standing up for the Constitution. You might want to consider if you’re the baddies after all. Take some time, because I’m sure it will be one of those “ego destroying” moments for you.