Anonymous wrote:Um. Is that why it's called the New Testament? And the Old Testament?
And eckchewally, Jews read Torah, not the whole Old Testament.

Question: why are atheists posting on DCUM mostly aggrieved about Jesus and Jesus believers? Why not address Jews directly too?

Jesus nutters are trying to trash the constitution and force their beliefs down my throat.

Anonymous wrote:Um. Is that why it's called the New Testament? And the Old Testament?
And eckchewally, Jews read Torah, not the whole Old Testament.

Question: why are atheists posting on DCUM mostly aggrieved about Jesus and Jesus believers? Why not address Jews directly too?

I hear this complaint a lot, and it is pathetic because the complainers certainly know these things to be true:

1. Atheists don't believe in all religions equally. There are no degrees of not believing. Therefore there is no particular prejudice against your myth than any other.
2. Christianity is the most popular religion in the USA, therefore it would be sensible that most discussion of religion in the USA, for or against, would be about christianity. It's not that they hate your myth more. It's simple math.

Again, complainers know those things.

Um. Is that why it's called the New Testament? And the Old Testament?
And eckchewally, Jews read Torah, not the whole Old Testament.

Question: why are atheists posting on DCUM mostly aggrieved about Jesus and Jesus believers? Why not address Jews directly too?

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Anonymous wrote:God is distinct from religions, churches, preachers, dogma, doctrines, writings. Those are person created things. God was before any of those and will be after humanity becomes extinct.

God only exists in the minds of some humans. Other humans never believed in God and some humans stopped believing in God when they got older.

People created God and then created various religions.

But the whole premise of this thread is the human who does not believe in God blames the humans who believe in God for his non-believing. If it is created only in the minds of some humans, why those who don't believe blame the humans in who's mind God does exist?

This thread is not about this at all. Its about the inconsistency of God from the Jewish religion to the Christian one.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe in the flying spaghetti monster.

Me too

Me three. And if three of us don't believe in it, then it cannot be true.

I believe in the FSM. Seems like there are 4 of us.

Is that enough to be recognized for tax exempt status? We should organize and seek official status, or at least a local chapter.

At a minimum, we should come up with a creed and call ourselves the pillars of the movement. It will also be important to create a historical back story to ground FSM.

I mean, Paul was a Jew who had persecuted Jesus' followers but converted after a vision on the road to Damascus, sometime around AD 33-36. Paul brought other Jews as well as gentiles to Jesus' vision.

So it's not correct to say no Jews believed in Jesus. Various letters in the New Testament show Jesus' early followers debating Jewish laws such as dietary restrictions and circumcision (spoiler: they didn't take these) and the merits of adhering to the Jewish rules that were their inheritance vs. appealing to gentiles.

Anonymous wrote:Some Jews believe in Jesus as the messiah - messianic Jews. Some Jews believe Jesus was a prophet. Jesus himself was Jewish, and believed in himself.

Messianic Jews are not practicing Judaism.

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Anonymous wrote:God is distinct from religions, churches, preachers, dogma, doctrines, writings. Those are person created things. God was before any of those and will be after humanity becomes extinct.

God only exists in the minds of some humans. Other humans never believed in God and some humans stopped believing in God when they got older.

People created God and then created various religions.

But the whole premise of this thread is the human who does not believe in God blames the humans who believe in God for his non-believing. If it is created only in the minds of some humans, why those who don't believe blame the humans in who's mind God does exist?

Anonymous wrote:God is distinct from religions, churches, preachers, dogma, doctrines, writings. Those are person created things. God was before any of those and will be after humanity becomes extinct.

God only exists in the minds of some humans. Other humans never believed in God and some humans stopped believing in God when they got older.

People created God and then created various religions.

Anonymous wrote:Some Jews believe in Jesus as the messiah - messianic Jews. Some Jews believe Jesus was a prophet. Jesus himself was Jewish, and believed in himself.

Messianic Jews are not Jewish religiously.

No Jews believe Jesus was a prophet.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

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Anonymous wrote:Many of the early Christians were Jews. The church in Jerusalem was a big deal.

Not in the great scheme of things Jewish. No jew even wrote about Jesus except maybe one one time. Christianity took off when it became part of the Roman religion. Either way, its obvious that God wasnt convincing to the Jews enough to make it worthwhile to their lives and future lives. It was a bust for the people it was intended for.

He didn't come just for the Jews. You people need to take a Bible Study class.

Isaiah 49:6 — New International Version (2011) (NIV)

6 he says:

“It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept.

I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.”

But even this one line says the jews will be a light for the gentiles. Not that he will abandon the jews.

Why would he abandon his chosen people? Christians are supposed to follow the Jews, who are his chosen people.

Exactly. And they dont. So God wasnt successful for the jews or the gentiles.

You can’t define “success” in human terms. What we know for sure is that the Jews are God’s chosen people, and everyone else should be supporting them. Why everyone else should be supporting them is unclear, because they aren’t chosen anyway, but if you believe this, you shouldn’t be asking this question in the first place.

Of course we can define success in human terms. Otherwise what is the point of religion for humans? To help squirrels? To help only God and not humans? Anyway, God as written in the scripture definitely defines success as helping humans or his people so religious people can do the same.

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Anonymous wrote:Many of the early Christians were Jews. The church in Jerusalem was a big deal.

Not in the great scheme of things Jewish. No jew even wrote about Jesus except maybe one one time. Christianity took off when it became part of the Roman religion. Either way, its obvious that God wasnt convincing to the Jews enough to make it worthwhile to their lives and future lives. It was a bust for the people it was intended for.

He didn't come just for the Jews. You people need to take a Bible Study class.

Isaiah 49:6 — New International Version (2011) (NIV)

6 he says:

“It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept.

I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.”

But even this one line says the jews will be a light for the gentiles. Not that he will abandon the jews.

Why would he abandon his chosen people? Christians are supposed to follow the Jews, who are his chosen people.

Exactly. And they dont. So God wasnt successful for the jews or the gentiles.

You can’t define “success” in human terms. What we know for sure is that the Jews are God’s chosen people, and everyone else should be supporting them. Why everyone else should be supporting them is unclear, because they aren’t chosen anyway, but if you believe this, you shouldn’t be asking this question in the first place.

I don't believe anything of what you are saying. Im agnostic or athiest. I just dont see the connection between the Jewish God and the Christian or Muslim God. Each of these God's are distinct and they are only pretending they are related because God in each of these religions and the commandments and teachings he gives humans are completely different from one religion to the other.

God is distinct from religions, churches, preachers, dogma, doctrines, writings. Those are person created things. God was before any of those and will be after humanity becomes extinct.

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Anonymous wrote:Many of the early Christians were Jews. The church in Jerusalem was a big deal.

Not in the great scheme of things Jewish. No jew even wrote about Jesus except maybe one one time. Christianity took off when it became part of the Roman religion. Either way, its obvious that God wasnt convincing to the Jews enough to make it worthwhile to their lives and future lives. It was a bust for the people it was intended for.

He didn't come just for the Jews. You people need to take a Bible Study class.

Isaiah 49:6 — New International Version (2011) (NIV)

6 he says:

“It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept.

I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.”

But even this one line says the jews will be a light for the gentiles. Not that he will abandon the jews.

Why would he abandon his chosen people? Christians are supposed to follow the Jews, who are his chosen people.

Exactly. And they dont. So God wasnt successful for the jews or the gentiles.

You can’t define “success” in human terms. What we know for sure is that the Jews are God’s chosen people, and everyone else should be supporting them. Why everyone else should be supporting them is unclear, because they aren’t chosen anyway, but if you believe this, you shouldn’t be asking this question in the first place.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe in the flying spaghetti monster.

Me too

Me three. And if three of us don't believe in it, then it cannot be true.