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Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

Insane. There are not going to be race wars if whites are a disadvantaged minority, which isnt likely either.

I think “race war” is extreme. I think people are just going to move the goal posts. People are going to say the elite schools and the ivy’s don’t matter so their kids can still find their way into top jobs.

They will try but unless someone can make the argument that admission to the colleges are no longer a proxy for merit, this will not happen.

Do Americans actually want meritocracy? We say we do, but do we actually mean it?

I would like to see college admissions be based on academic merit to a larger extent than they are now. If that leaves white Americans behind relative to Asians, we (I’m white) should try stepping up our game.

I would agree with cautious. Countries that admit students by grades only aren't necessary providing better opportunities to their youth. For STEM, academic merits are no brainer but I wouldn't take a person just grind very hard for good grades or cheat for good grades. There must be better ways to determine academic merits than just -tests!

Tests are the best measure we have. And peer reviewed research shows the results are valid

When that is the only measure though, massive cheating/gaming the system ensues.

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Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

Insane. There are not going to be race wars if whites are a disadvantaged minority, which isnt likely either.

I think “race war” is extreme. I think people are just going to move the goal posts. People are going to say the elite schools and the ivy’s don’t matter so their kids can still find their way into top jobs.

They will try but unless someone can make the argument that admission to the colleges are no longer a proxy for merit, this will not happen.

Do Americans actually want meritocracy? We say we do, but do we actually mean it?

I would like to see college admissions be based on academic merit to a larger extent than they are now. If that leaves white Americans behind relative to Asians, we (I’m white) should try stepping up our game.

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Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

Insane. There are not going to be race wars if whites are a disadvantaged minority, which isnt likely either.

I think “race war” is extreme. I think people are just going to move the goal posts. People are going to say the elite schools and the ivy’s don’t matter so their kids can still find their way into top jobs.

They will try but unless someone can make the argument that admission to the colleges are no longer a proxy for merit, this will not happen.

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Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

Insane. There are not going to be race wars if whites are a disadvantaged minority, which isnt likely either.

I think “race war” is extreme. I think people are just going to move the goal posts. People are going to say the elite schools and the ivy’s don’t matter so their kids can still find their way into top jobs.

They will try but unless someone can make the argument that admission to the colleges are no longer a proxy for merit, this will not happen.

Do Americans actually want meritocracy? We say we do, but do we actually mean it?

A discussion of merit deserves its own thread. It’s not as simple as getting good grades, and it’s certainly not one-dimensional. I don’t think the core issue is meritocracy itself—after all, employers ultimately hire based on merit, which is why U.S. companies continue to dominate many fields. You are not getting hired for a job just because you show them your college name, isn't it?

You obviously haven't spent much time around Indian or Chinese run companies. Ask around in the valley if merit is how it really works.

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Anonymous wrote:Neo Liberalism caused this, we shouldn't be importing the best and the brightest from other countries

We should absolutely be recruiting the best and brightest from around the world. The economy is not a limited resource.

Many of my capable and ambitious Indian and Chinese friends are no longer very enthusiastic about coming to the U.S. They’re well aware of the relatively low wages and the slavery like situations immigrants often face.
Those who are especially ambitious increasingly choose to start their own companies and build economic opportunities comparable to those in the U.S.

Com' on. If they are best and brightest, they know what benefit them more in the long run.

Just look at all the racism here in this thread and elsewhere on this board targeted at people of Chinese and Indian origin. Why would they want to put up with that?

Investment capital. We have the best capital markets in the world for entrepreneurs

Ah well, perhaps they don't need capital here. It's the borrowed money here as well

Which is going overseas as well

It's a tiny amount and the returns haven't been there to date.

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Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

Insane. There are not going to be race wars if whites are a disadvantaged minority, which isnt likely either.

I think “race war” is extreme. I think people are just going to move the goal posts. People are going to say the elite schools and the ivy’s don’t matter so their kids can still find their way into top jobs.

They will try but unless someone can make the argument that admission to the colleges are no longer a proxy for merit, this will not happen.

Do Americans actually want meritocracy? We say we do, but do we actually mean it?

A discussion of merit deserves its own thread. It’s not as simple as getting good grades, and it’s certainly not one-dimensional. I don’t think the core issue is meritocracy itself—after all, employers ultimately hire based on merit, which is why U.S. companies continue to dominate many fields. You are not getting hired for a job just because you show them your college name, isn't it?

You obviously haven't spent much time around Indian or Chinese run companies. Ask around in the valley if merit is how it really works.

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Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

Insane. There are not going to be race wars if whites are a disadvantaged minority, which isnt likely either.

I think “race war” is extreme. I think people are just going to move the goal posts. People are going to say the elite schools and the ivy’s don’t matter so their kids can still find their way into top jobs.

They will try but unless someone can make the argument that admission to the colleges are no longer a proxy for merit, this will not happen.

Do Americans actually want meritocracy? We say we do, but do we actually mean it?

Exactly. Do we really love the SAT, or do we only love it to the extent it seems to justify white supremacy? Because I suspect it’s the latter.

So they loved the SAT when it filtered out black applicants but stunned it down when it started following out white applicants?

If we went back to the SAT we had before dumbing down, colleges would be too Asian?

I am an Asian but I will be honest I despise grinding and dislike seeing robotic behaviors and thinking from any races. I don't think grinding hard is Asian only things, Asian are the biggest population in the
world so it gives that stereotype that Asians are all robots. No it is not.

Dude, nobody LIKES grinding. But repetition and practice is necessary to improve a skill.

While Asians don't have a monopoly on hard work, Asians on average study more hours than other groups. Much more. The average black student spend 36 minutes a day on homework, Hispanic students spend 50 minutes, white students spend 56 minutes, while Asian students spend 134 minutes a day... 2 hours and 14 minutes a day.... on homework. These are averages and they explain the differences in average academic performance.

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Anonymous wrote:Neo Liberalism caused this, we shouldn't be importing the best and the brightest from other countries

We should absolutely be recruiting the best and brightest from around the world. The economy is not a limited resource.

Many of my capable and ambitious Indian and Chinese friends are no longer very enthusiastic about coming to the U.S. They’re well aware of the relatively low wages and the slavery like situations immigrants often face.
Those who are especially ambitious increasingly choose to start their own companies and build economic opportunities comparable to those in the U.S.

Com' on. If they are best and brightest, they know what benefit them more in the long run.

Just look at all the racism here in this thread and elsewhere on this board targeted at people of Chinese and Indian origin. Why would they want to put up with that?

Investment capital. We have the best capital markets in the world for entrepreneurs

Which is going overseas as well

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Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

Insane. There are not going to be race wars if whites are a disadvantaged minority, which isnt likely either.

I think “race war” is extreme. I think people are just going to move the goal posts. People are going to say the elite schools and the ivy’s don’t matter so their kids can still find their way into top jobs.

They will try but unless someone can make the argument that admission to the colleges are no longer a proxy for merit, this will not happen.

Do Americans actually want meritocracy? We say we do, but do we actually mean it?

A discussion of merit deserves its own thread. It’s not as simple as getting good grades, and it’s certainly not one-dimensional. I don’t think the core issue is meritocracy itself—after all, employers ultimately hire based on merit, which is why U.S. companies continue to dominate many fields. You are not getting hired for a job just because you show them your college name, isn't it?

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Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

Insane. There are not going to be race wars if whites are a disadvantaged minority, which isnt likely either.

I think “race war” is extreme. I think people are just going to move the goal posts. People are going to say the elite schools and the ivy’s don’t matter so their kids can still find their way into top jobs.

They will try but unless someone can make the argument that admission to the colleges are no longer a proxy for merit, this will not happen.

I think you underestimate people. upper middle class families are not going to let their children flail because they can’t get into an elite school. People fail upwards regularly.

And yet they have.

UMC families have basements full of underachieving kids with humanities degrees.

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Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

Insane. There are not going to be race wars if whites are a disadvantaged minority, which isnt likely either.

I guess you haven’t heard or overheard any candid conversations with white parents whose kids have been shut out of their state flagships.

45% Asian At Hopkins is pretty dramatic.

And probably more like 55-60% because most internationals are Asian.

This year's ED1, they took 18 kids from China. Last year ED1 they took 34. They are making a lot of efforts this year to achieve more balanced demographics.

I think they are doing the same for domestic students, e.g., lower the percentage of Asian domestic students. Perhaps not cut in half like what they did internationally.

This Affirmative Action ban wasn't thought out, but i do remember conservatives saying we don't care if these schools are 100% Asian

Welcome to the Era of Histrionically Asian Colleges and Universities - HACU

If you spelled Historically correct the joke would have been perfect

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Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

Insane. There are not going to be race wars if whites are a disadvantaged minority, which isnt likely either.

I think “race war” is extreme. I think people are just going to move the goal posts. People are going to say the elite schools and the ivy’s don’t matter so their kids can still find their way into top jobs.

They will try but unless someone can make the argument that admission to the colleges are no longer a proxy for merit, this will not happen.

Do Americans actually want meritocracy? We say we do, but do we actually mean it?

Exactly. Do we really love the SAT, or do we only love it to the extent it seems to justify white supremacy? Because I suspect it’s the latter.

So they loved the SAT when it filtered out black applicants but stunned it down when it started following out white applicants?

If we went back to the SAT we had before dumbing down, colleges would be too Asian?

I am an Asian but I will be honest I despise grinding and dislike seeing robotic behaviors and thinking from any races. I don't think grinding hard is Asian only things, Asian are the biggest population in the
world so it gives that stereotype that Asians are all robots. No it is not.

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Anonymous wrote:Will the situation be much better this year? Do you think they will decrease the percentage of Asians under 30% this year? I am feeling that they are working on diversity to increase UMR and white on campus when we did the campus visit early this year.

Why is fewer Asians "better?"

Because they are crowding out white kids. You can't crowd out the majority group without a repercussion.

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Anonymous wrote:While many people were worried that Black and Brown people were getting an unfair advantage, new stats like this underscore what the future will hold:

Asians/Indians will quickly overtake whites as the majority on campus AND in the most prestigious grad school programs and professions.

And the progress made for blacks and Latinos will be diminished.

You can further extrapolate the ripple effect when whites become the disadvantaged minority. I give it one decade before it’s very noticeable, and within two generations it will be what drives race wars. (Please don’t shoot the messenger; let’s have a civil discussion.)

Insane. There are not going to be race wars if whites are a disadvantaged minority, which isnt likely either.

I think “race war” is extreme. I think people are just going to move the goal posts. People are going to say the elite schools and the ivy’s don’t matter so their kids can still find their way into top jobs.

This shift is already underway. Why do you think the WSJ writes that annual article about northeastern kids going to the SEC?