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Anonymous wrote:Look into Williams- top lac. Basically the Harvard of liberal arts colleges and much better than Kenyon. More resources than Yale. Best endowment per student. Also the philosophy program is known as the best undergraduate philosophy program amongst those “who know”

In that, based on IPEDS information, just 4 students graduated with a first major in philosophy in a recent year, and in that the strength of a philosophy program may depend on the size of the student community, the above assertion doesn't appear especially plausible. To place this figure in further context, the ratio of economics to philosophy majors at Williams for this same year was 29 to 1.

College Navigator - Williams College https://share.google/GuzUCaMs34P1X5RQM

No the strength of an academic program is the number of faculty and resources dedicated to that department.

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Anonymous wrote:Look into Williams- top lac. Basically the Harvard of liberal arts colleges and much better than Kenyon. More resources than Yale. Best endowment per student. Also the philosophy program is known as the best undergraduate philosophy program amongst those “who know”

In that, based on IPEDS information, just 4 students graduated with a first major in philosophy in a recent year, and in that the strength of a philosophy program may depend on the size of the student community, the above assertion doesn't appear especially plausible. To place this figure in further context, the ratio of economics to philosophy majors at Williams for this same year was 29 to 1.

College Navigator - Williams College https://share.google/GuzUCaMs34P1X5RQM

In contrast, the ratio of economics to philosophy majors graduating from Kenyon, this student's primary school of interest, was 8 to 1 that year:

College Navigator - Kenyon College https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=Kenyon&s=all&id=203535#programs

Are you looking for safety schools? Depauw would be an option.

If your child loves Kenyon, that’s great and they should go for it.

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CMC is unusually fratty without have fraternities. Lots of drinking, drugs, bro culture, etc.

CMC would be an unusual choice for one attracted to Wesleyan, Haverford, & Reed.

Others have suggested Vassar; Vassar College is very woke/politically correct campus. Is that what your son wants ? (Would be similar to Haverford College.)

From the west coast and have never heard of this. You sure you’re talking about the right school? Claremont McKenna is known as athletic but very nerdy- hell their favorite things to do on the weekend is dress up and listen to philosophers, political theorists, and writers. When we last toured, there was a class outside debating the value of Franciscan thought in the modern church and our guide’s favorite class was a gender studies course. Of the 5Cs it reminds me the most of my own northeast liberal arts college experience.

CMC/Mudd men's swim team was temporarily suspended last month for misconduct of a racist sort. https://www.claremontindependent.com/post/cms-men-s-swim-and-dive-team-investigated-for-misconduct-temporarily-suspended

...and is currently active and competing. This is a non-issue pushed by someone on here with an agenda, who continues to link this random event.

It's not a random thing. The same swim team had a hazing book that had racist and sexist language and was suspended. The soccer team was suspended recently (last year) for extreme hazing.

Bottom line: the athletes (roughly half of males at CMC) have a very different culture than the other students. CMC despite its very small size of students fields a men's football, baseball, soccer, swim, water polo, etc. teams. It is technically fielded jointly with Mudd but Mudd contributes just a few athletes, and most are recruited athletes to CMC who carry these teams. It is a big part of male student culture at CMC and it is described as very "fratty" not just inside CMC but disparangingly by the other 5Cs who are more nerdy.

This just isn't true. I'm unsure what your agenda is. one team was sanctioned and they played nearly immediately after. Accidents and mistakes happen. People say things uncritically sometimes, but also, you haven't actually said anything of importance, just made massive claims about the swim team, which OP is not looking into. They want to know the experience at CMC.

My kid is at CMC. He loves it. His younger siblings (with Ivy stats on SAT/IB) now want to go to CMC ED1 based on his experience. He does fit the culture of the school (extraverts who work hard and play hard with a pre-professional orientation). We see a happy supportive campus with a lot of thoughtful dialogue (including about the incidents cited here). What is he getting out of CMC: a great education, a love for learning from the small classes/Ath, friends for life who support each other when the chips are down, highly evolved social skills, great memories, and amazing career prospects. He has made full use of the resources taking classes at Pomona & Mudd, and is involved in clubs involving all 5C. That is just one person's experience, and this school is not for everyone as it does have its culture.

Anonymous wrote:Look into Williams- top lac. Basically the Harvard of liberal arts colleges and much better than Kenyon. More resources than Yale. Best endowment per student. Also the philosophy program is known as the best undergraduate philosophy program amongst those “who know”

In that, based on IPEDS information, just 4 students graduated with a first major in philosophy in a recent year, and in that the strength of a philosophy program may depend on the size of the student community, the above assertion doesn't appear especially plausible. To place this figure in further context, the ratio of economics to philosophy majors at Williams for this same year was 29 to 1.

College Navigator - Williams College https://share.google/GuzUCaMs34P1X5RQM

Anonymous wrote:Kenyon plans forced staff layoffs and possible future enrollment declines. Possible that a liberal leaning school in a solid red state, Ohio, is not a magnet for progressive families.

This progressive dad is perfectly comfortable with his progressive daughter's choice of Kenyon. Ohio is a red state but Gambier is not a red town (and the miles of surrounding corn doesn’t vote).

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Anonymous wrote:Look into Williams- top lac. Basically the Harvard of liberal arts colleges and much better than Kenyon. More resources than Yale. Best endowment per student. Also the philosophy program is known as the best undergraduate philosophy program amongst those “who know”

Amherst has higher endowment per student

Lies Williams is better

Anonymous wrote:Look into Williams- top lac. Basically the Harvard of liberal arts colleges and much better than Kenyon. More resources than Yale. Best endowment per student. Also the philosophy program is known as the best undergraduate philosophy program amongst those “who know”

Amherst has higher endowment per student

Anonymous wrote:Look into Williams- top lac. Basically the Harvard of liberal arts colleges and much better than Kenyon. More resources than Yale. Best endowment per student. Also the philosophy program is known as the best undergraduate philosophy program amongst those “who know”

I'd also cosign this. It's Princeton-level research opportunities In their politics department. Serious stuff.

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CMC is unusually fratty without have fraternities. Lots of drinking, drugs, bro culture, etc.

CMC would be an unusual choice for one attracted to Wesleyan, Haverford, & Reed.

Others have suggested Vassar; Vassar College is very woke/politically correct campus. Is that what your son wants ? (Would be similar to Haverford College.)

From the west coast and have never heard of this. You sure you’re talking about the right school? Claremont McKenna is known as athletic but very nerdy- hell their favorite things to do on the weekend is dress up and listen to philosophers, political theorists, and writers. When we last toured, there was a class outside debating the value of Franciscan thought in the modern church and our guide’s favorite class was a gender studies course. Of the 5Cs it reminds me the most of my own northeast liberal arts college experience.

CMC/Mudd men's swim team was temporarily suspended last month for misconduct of a racist sort. https://www.claremontindependent.com/post/cms-men-s-swim-and-dive-team-investigated-for-misconduct-temporarily-suspended

...and is currently active and competing. This is a non-issue pushed by someone on here with an agenda, who continues to link this random event.

It's not a random thing. The same swim team had a hazing book that had racist and sexist language and was suspended. The soccer team was suspended recently (last year) for extreme hazing.

Bottom line: the athletes (roughly half of males at CMC) have a very different culture than the other students. CMC despite it's very small size of students fields a men's football, baseball, soccer, swim, water polo, etc. teams. It is technically fielded jointly with Mudd but Mudd contributes just a few athletes, and most are recruited athletes to CMC who carry these teams. It is a big part of male student culture at CMC and it is described as very "fratty" not just inside CMC but disparangingly by the other 5Cs who are more nerdy.

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https://williamsrecord.com/468201/opinions/the-colleges-response-to-anti-black-violence-is-inadequate/
https://amherststudent.com/article/mens-lacrosse-members-involved-in-racist-incident/
https://tsl.news/pomona-pitzer-tiktok-outcry/

Anonymous wrote:Kenyon plans forced staff layoffs and possible future enrollment declines. Possible that a liberal leaning school in a solid red state, Ohio, is not a magnet for progressive families.

I don't care.

Anonymous wrote:Look into Williams- top lac. Basically the Harvard of liberal arts colleges and much better than Kenyon. More resources than Yale. Best endowment per student. Also the philosophy program is known as the best undergraduate philosophy program amongst those “who know”

Williams williams! They call it the Harvard of LACS!!!

Kenyon plans forced staff layoffs and possible future enrollment declines. Possible that a liberal leaning school in a solid red state, Ohio, is not a magnet for progressive families.

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Anonymous wrote:{Different poster.}

CMC is unusually fratty without have fraternities. Lots of drinking, drugs, bro culture, etc.

CMC would be an unusual choice for one attracted to Wesleyan, Haverford, & Reed.

Others have suggested Vassar; Vassar College is very woke/politically correct campus. Is that what your son wants ? (Would be similar to Haverford College.)

From the west coast and have never heard of this. You sure you’re talking about the right school? Claremont McKenna is known as athletic but very nerdy- hell their favorite things to do on the weekend is dress up and listen to philosophers, political theorists, and writers. When we last toured, there was a class outside debating the value of Franciscan thought in the modern church and our guide’s favorite class was a gender studies course. Of the 5Cs it reminds me the most of my own northeast liberal arts college experience.

CMC/Mudd men's swim team was temporarily suspended last month for misconduct of a racist sort. https://www.claremontindependent.com/post/cms-men-s-swim-and-dive-team-investigated-for-misconduct-temporarily-suspended

...and is currently active and competing. This is a non-issue pushed by someone on here with an agenda, who continues to link this random event.

It's not a random thing. The same swim team had a hazing book that had racist and sexist language and was suspended. The soccer team was suspended recently (last year) for extreme hazing.

Bottom line: the athletes (roughly half of males at CMC) have a very different culture than the other students. CMC despite its very small size of students fields a men's football, baseball, soccer, swim, water polo, etc. teams. It is technically fielded jointly with Mudd but Mudd contributes just a few athletes, and most are recruited athletes to CMC who carry these teams. It is a big part of male student culture at CMC and it is described as very "fratty" not just inside CMC but disparangingly by the other 5Cs who are more nerdy.

This just isn't true. I'm unsure what your agenda is. one team was sanctioned and they played nearly immediately after. Accidents and mistakes happen. People say things uncritically sometimes, but also, you haven't actually said anything of importance, just made massive claims about the swim team, which OP is not looking into. They want to know the experience at CMC.

Anonymous wrote:{Different poster.}

CMC is unusually fratty without have fraternities. Lots of drinking, drugs, bro culture, etc.

CMC would be an unusual choice for one attracted to Wesleyan, Haverford, & Reed.

Others have suggested Vassar; Vassar College is very woke/politically correct campus. Is that what your son wants ? (Would be similar to Haverford College.)

Agreed on CMC. Source: my DD is at Scripps. They jokingly call CMC Slytherin for evil, Pomona Griffindor, Pitzer Hufflepuff, Mudd Ravenclaw. They all make fun of CMC's fratty finance bro/athlete vibe.