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Anonymous wrote:We can seize foreigns vessels based on sanctions we establish?

Would those crowing that this seizure today is perfectly lawful also defend China’s right or Russia’s right or another country’s right to seize American vessels based on sanctions they establish?

They already have. Trump and the republicans believe in “zones of influence” as per New National Defense Strategy. This means the US can do anything(target and murder civilians, blow of boats in territorial or international waters, take any cargo it want without compensation, etc.) within its declared zone. China and Europe can do the same. Sorry Taiwan. Russia being a weak and poor country is not able to project power and therefore can not control a zone.

So yes this is the new world order. The free navigation of the seas and rule of law are no more. When the US invades and occupies Venezuela we will be able to extract oil without paying royalties to the locals. We also can take anything.

This administration is hell-bent on dismantling the command-and-control structures of narco-trafficking routes that funnel illicit drugs in to the U.S. and have contributed to the drug-death catastrophe that kills 100,000 Americans every year.

Just think of it as Washington DC regulations for your pet agendas that you know and love so much. In short, FAFO.

It's a fool's errand to think that drug flow can be meaningfully interrupted, but then again we all know Trump is a fool. Where this is demand, there is a way.

"If it saves even one life..." - every democrat.

Exactly what I was going to say. You’d think Democrats would be applauding the effort to disrupt the drug trade in the Americas… but no. They’re lamenting the fact that someone finally has the guts to do something. Just incredible.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:We can seize foreigns vessels based on sanctions we establish?

Would those crowing that this seizure today is perfectly lawful also defend China’s right or Russia’s right or another country’s right to seize American vessels based on sanctions they establish?

Yes, we can and do seize foreign vessels.

If China wants to seize our vessels, try it. They are already starting sh** with Japan and South Korea overflying those countries and their territory as a threat.

BTW, the Venezuelan vessel in question is transmitting false location data as part of its tradecraft to avoid sanctions. Why are you defending them?

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The people who reflexively condemn anything Trump does are proving, as usual, to be idiots. This ship was ILLEGALLY evading detection while illicitly shipping oil within a network supporting foreign terrorist organizations.

So much idiocy on this thread.

What if there is something far more sinister going on?

What if there is a legit security threat?

China has been buying up land, businesses, and ports across the Caribbean—including in Aruba, Bonaire, and Curaçao which are a stone’s throw from Venezuela as well as in the Bahamas which is a stone’s throw from Florida. Plus elsewhere.

We know that oil is a commodity used to bankroll terrorism and governments that are committed to destroying us: Iran, China, and Russia.

Venezuela is a strategic partner for those countries, and odds are something was already happening and we needed to take action to deter further escalation (or worse).

Just because this administration is taking action doesn’t necessarily mean it’s entirely wrong on not necessary.

Literally every time I’ve vacationed in the Caribbean over the last 5-10 years, I’ve had multiple locals flag China’s race to establish a strategic foothold in the region…followed by, “why isn’t the US doing something?”

And I’m a bleeding heart liberal. But I can easily think of scenarios where it makes sense for us to take bold action…after all, this is in our backyard.

Anonymous wrote:This was a Dark-Fleet ship, not a Venezuelan tanker.

Trump would never go against Putin. The question that need to be asked is how is Trump profiting from the seizure? How is he make money off this.

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Anonymous wrote:This was a Dark-Fleet ship, not a Venezuelan tanker.

+1

Venezuela has ZERO lawful claim here. None.

That is false. Trump and republicans seizing a tanking is lawless.

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Anonymous wrote:This was a Dark-Fleet ship, not a Venezuelan tanker.

+1

Venezuela has ZERO lawful claim here. None.

They may. It would be problematic if the US seized the vessel while in Venezuelan territorial waters. But from a practical perspective, there isn't anything they would do in the best of times other than send a diplomatic note saying that such actions are "imprudent".

Anonymous wrote:This was a Dark-Fleet ship, not a Venezuelan tanker.

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Venezuela has ZERO lawful claim here. None.

This was a Dark-Fleet ship, not a Venezuelan tanker.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We can seize foreigns vessels based on sanctions we establish?

Would those crowing that this seizure today is perfectly lawful also defend China’s right or Russia’s right or another country’s right to seize American vessels based on sanctions they establish?

They already have. Trump and the republicans believe in “zones of influence” as per New National Defense Strategy. This means the US can do anything(target and murder civilians, blow of boats in territorial or international waters, take any cargo it want without compensation, etc.) within its declared zone. China and Europe can do the same. Sorry Taiwan. Russia being a weak and poor country is not able to project power and therefore can not control a zone.

So yes this is the new world order. The free navigation of the seas and rule of law are no more. When the US invades and occupies Venezuela we will be able to extract oil without paying royalties to the locals. We also can take anything.

This administration is hell-bent on dismantling the command-and-control structures of narco-trafficking routes that funnel illicit drugs in to the U.S. and have contributed to the drug-death catastrophe that kills 100,000 Americans every year.

Just think of it as Washington DC regulations for your pet agendas that you know and love so much. In short, FAFO.

It's a fool's errand to think that drug flow can be meaningfully interrupted, but then again we all know Trump is a fool. Where this is demand, there is a way.

"If it saves even one life..." - every democrat.

lol not one republican was talking about saving the drug users in the US before Trump started to blow up fishing boats. Now the only thing they will talk about is saving the drug users? Venezuela does not manufacture fentanyl.

Why did Trump stop all cooperation with drug intervention with Columbia? Guess he wants more cocaine in the US?

Trump and his republicans lackeys are idiotic grifters. This is what the end of the American experiment looks like.

+1. They can’t even keep their propaganda straight. Apparently this tanker was transporting illegal oil, fentanyl, and hoardes of illegal immigrants too. It’s a wonder it even has room left for the crew!

Anonymous wrote:Millions of illegals enter the country: Not a word out of Democrats except, “Welcome to the USA. Would you prefer a room closer to the swimming pool or golf course?”

Trump seizes one ship: “THE SKY IS FALLING!!”

Still getting paid to push your propaganda I see.

Millions of illegals enter the country: Not a word out of Democrats except, “Welcome to the USA. Would you prefer a room closer to the swimming pool or golf course?”

Trump seizes one ship: “THE SKY IS FALLING!!”

Anonymous wrote:Venezuela, Cuba and China need to get together and sink our aircraft carrier. That’s the kind of FAFO Trump needs to see.

Get off your Playstation.

Venezuela, Cuba and China need to get together and sink our aircraft carrier. That’s the kind of FAFO Trump needs to see.

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Anonymous wrote:We can seize foreigns vessels based on sanctions we establish?

Would those crowing that this seizure today is perfectly lawful also defend China’s right or Russia’s right or another country’s right to seize American vessels based on sanctions they establish?

Exactly.
Will there be a free-for-all on ships? Seize whatever you feel like seizing? Blow up any boat you think might be carrying drugs or illicit cargo or just ugly people you don't like?
No laws restrict the Trump administration, which controls the strongest military on the planet.

The logical extension is this: we better hope for, pray for, and somehow manifest a future where our status as the lone superpower persists indefinitely.

The history of what happens when empires lose their “king of the hill” status is not a pleasant one. Seems others always seem to be waiting to take turns returning the favor of past abuses.

We are rapidly losing that status, which is why the neocons are going after everyone they can before they can’t anymore.

They don’t plan to stick around and face the consequences of course…

Neocons? Try Trump and maga.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We can seize foreigns vessels based on sanctions we establish?

Would those crowing that this seizure today is perfectly lawful also defend China’s right or Russia’s right or another country’s right to seize American vessels based on sanctions they establish?

Exactly.
Will there be a free-for-all on ships? Seize whatever you feel like seizing? Blow up any boat you think might be carrying drugs or illicit cargo or just ugly people you don't like?
No laws restrict the Trump administration, which controls the strongest military on the planet.

The logical extension is this: we better hope for, pray for, and somehow manifest a future where our status as the lone superpower persists indefinitely.

The history of what happens when empires lose their “king of the hill” status is not a pleasant one. Seems others always seem to be waiting to take turns returning the favor of past abuses.

We are rapidly losing that status, which is why the neocons are going after everyone they can before they can’t anymore.

They don’t plan to stick around and face the consequences of course…