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Anonymous wrote:Thinking about it as a political issue. What do you think the proper justification is for it, if any?

Hmmm, I will think on this while I drive to Five Guys to pick up my burger? I’ll weigh in after I consume my tasty burger.

Very narcissistic behavior. 3 minutes of sensory pleasure for an animal’s life.

Plants are living too. What makes you ok with that then?

I don’t have to justify it. I just eat and enjoy it.

Any issues with it are your’s, have fun.

I don't justify it, I don't have to. I eat it.

I don’t. Because it not optimal and is inflammatory. Plant proteins are better sources. It’s a personal choice, though, I don’t care if others want to.

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Anonymous wrote:You can't add morality to eating meat. It's the arrogance of humanity. Animals have been eating other animals since the beginning of time. The livestock species now literally wouldn't exist if humans hadn't cultivated them long ago. Next you're going to ask whether humans should have animals as pets.

Yes, but that was before the advent of modern agriculture. Most people have multiple grocery stores within 15 minutes of them, all with plenty of non-meat options. What’s the excuse now?

The longevity of an action doesn’t define its morality. People have been raping and stealing since the beginning of time. Doesn’t mean it’s morally justified.

Have you ever thought about how many animals you might be killing every day just by walking to the grocery store? All those ants and other insects that get crushed under your feet are innocent victims. These poor insects have their own families and little ones. You're causing even more harm when you drive your car. Is this really morally justified? You act like you care about life and animals, but in reality, you're just another cruel person.

I have recently had two vegan friends develop Type 2 diabetes because of their carb heavy diets.

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Anonymous wrote:Thinking about it as a political issue. What do you think the proper justification is for it, if any?

It's delicious and nutritious. What exactly is your question?

Is the taste and nutrition of it justified when it ends someone else’s life? There are plenty of other options for delicious and nutritious food.

Someone else? Anthropomorphic much? And there's nothing as delicious as meat. To prove my point, there's no artificial artichoke or carrots made from meat. Yet there's artificial meat made from soybeans and peas. Why would a vegetarian want to eat fake meat if it weren't inherently more delicious?

Is an animal more of a someone or a something? It’s not a thing. It’s a living being. We’re all animals at the end of the day.

I’m not denying that meat tastes good. I’m asking if you think it’s ethically justified to kill an animal because you think its flesh tastes good?

Yes, it's "ethically justified". If lions and polar bears were smarter than us, we wouldn't be at the top of the food chain. I'll stop eating burgers when lions stop eating zebras. The great thing about being omnivores is that we humans have a choice and there is no shame in being a meat eater or a vegan. I don't shame either.

Lions eat zebras because they have to. You don’t have to eat meat. That’s the key distinction. I’m not trying to shame anyone. I’m simply calling out the horrors of the meat industry. I don’t think anyone deserves the kind of suffering and lives that we give to our animals.

Why do you only care about animals? You want us to eat plants instead. Do you think it’s right to kill plants and eat them? Plants are living beings too. They show all the signs of life. Don’t you feel bad for all the pain you’re causing them?

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Anonymous wrote:You can't add morality to eating meat. It's the arrogance of humanity. Animals have been eating other animals since the beginning of time. The livestock species now literally wouldn't exist if humans hadn't cultivated them long ago. Next you're going to ask whether humans should have animals as pets.

No but you CAN have ethics about raising livestock and that is a major problem in our culture. We treat animals very badly. That is wrong. Anything short of hunting wild animals is unethical using the natural right justification.

Yet hunters are villianized by the left.

Veganism has fallen out of style for the same reason that radical trans activism has-- it takes perfectly normal behavior accepted as ethical for millenia and then acts like it is the new behavior. "The gender binary is a western construct propagated through colonialism" they told us. "Meat consumption is a capitalist imperative" etc. It's ahistorical horseshit, like the guy over in the western civilisation thread who's trying to convince us that Europe is the only civilisation in history without its own culture or identity.

Anonymous wrote:Thinking about it as a political issue. What do you think the proper justification is for it, if any?

A large portion of America has very little potential for fresh fruits and vegetables sux months of the year.

Most of the tropical regions struggle to produce food for themselves. If we converted to avocado and coconut there would be mass starvation.

Anonymous wrote:You can't add morality to eating meat. It's the arrogance of humanity. Animals have been eating other animals since the beginning of time. The livestock species now literally wouldn't exist if humans hadn't cultivated them long ago. Next you're going to ask whether humans should have animals as pets.

No but you CAN have ethics about raising livestock and that is a major problem in our culture. We treat animals very badly. That is wrong. Anything short of hunting wild animals is unethical using the natural right justification.

Anonymous wrote:Because without protein consumption we would never have made it to the top of the food chain on land. I feel much sorrier for the poor carrots firmly rooted in the ground who have no chance to escape the vegetarians and vegans that prey on them.

Hegseth has arrived.

Because without protein consumption we would never have made it to the top of the food chain on land. I feel much sorrier for the poor carrots firmly rooted in the ground who have no chance to escape the vegetarians and vegans that prey on them.

Anonymous wrote:Thinking about it as a political issue. What do you think the proper justification is for it, if any?

Blanket rules for/against personal preferences don't serve a diverse society. I eat meat because my health tanks if I don't. Trust me, I've tried. I eat less meat than most, and make a concerted effort to procure meat from local, small farms when I can. I can't always afford to do that, nor do I always have access to those resources.

I don't get into arguments about loaded issues like this because there's no one right way. Anyone who thinks so, from either side, isn't someone I'm going to enjoy talking with for long. Obligate carnivores are just as insufferable as militant vegans.

I was born this way.