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Anonymous wrote:As my kids get older I feel the existential threat of raising them in a country that is incredibly hostile to girls and women. The consequences are incredibly dire.

And health insurance that will take half your income!

Anonymous wrote:Have you heard this recently?

https://thehill.com/homenews/5606934-young-women-want-to-leave-us-poll/

What I want to know is: is this going to lower home prices in the dmv ?

Anonymous wrote:meanwhile american men prefer eastern european and asian women.

Anonymous wrote:We left and live in Western Europe now, in a diverse mid-sized city. It’s not easy but I feel more peaceful on a day to day basis. My kids have nice friends at their school. We don’t own or need a car. Rent is inexpensive and groceries are significantly cheaper than the US.

I don’t know if we’ll stay forever, but I’m glad we’re here now.

Anonymous wrote:I can’t believe having the President constantly tell them how horrible and stupid they are makes them fantasize about leaving.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a US-European dual citizen and have spent many, many years in both, not to mention every other continent also. I’ve been to every European country in fact, both in and out of the EU. Both the US and Europe are deeply flawed, but in very different ways. It’s uncanny. The things I hate about America are great in Europe, and vice versa. I will say that American money in Europe is terrific, and we have benefitted from that a lot. But honestly, Europe was a lot better 15 years ago, and even that isn’t as fun as it used to be. European cities have declined significantly and quickly, and in many countries, they are no better than American cities. France, Sweden, Germany and even Ireland are all prime examples. The rest of Europe is well on its way. Rural Europe is still charming in many cases, especially if you don’t need to work, but the weather is terrible for much of the year in even the warmest countries. And forget about Northern Europe, just gray, cold and dark for the majority of the year. Australia and NZ are great, but the economies are very, very weak, which is why so many young people flee. And they are far. These days, we alternate between the American West, rural Europe and NZ, and try to enjoy the best of each.

I think I have very different preferences to you but agree on much of what you say here, especially the bolded. Sadly.

I think many Americans would be surprised to learn that much of what is making us unhappy in the US has simply been exported to Europe and they are dealing with similar issues. Except the guns. That is truly a uniquely American problem and no one has to deal with it like we do. It's really an intractable difficulty and it impacts so many other issues. It is very unfortunate. If the US could solve its gun problem and figure out some kind of better solution for healthcare, it would unquestionably be the most desirable country to live in the entire world. It's very frustrating we can't seem to resolve these problems in a pragmatic way.

However unlike you I don't care about the cold, gray weather of Northern Europe and think Scandinavia remains a decent upgrade over the US. I would be fine with Scandinavian winters, I grew in a place with long, gray winters in the US and actually miss it. I hate DC summers and the warm, wet winters. My dream destination is a midsize city in Northern Europe like Malmo in Sweden, Ghent in Belgium, or Lille in France. You get good value for your money, it's cosmopolitan enough for me even though it's not a major city, and you are so close to the major cities that you really don't miss out on much. I also prefer the midsize cities in the US, and would rather live in Minneapolis or Richmond or Portland Maine than NY or DC or SF. But in the US, it's incredibly hard to travel to major cities if you live elsewhere -- just extremely expensive and inconvenient. It's a major issue and I think why there is such a division between rural and urban in the US. It's so much easier in Europe which I think promotes a greater feeling of camaraderie and understanding. It is surprising how hard it is to move around the US. Driving is easiest yet everything is so far apart and in the cities it is hard to drive and park. It just makes no sense. Why would you set it up this way?

Anonymous wrote:I am a US-European dual citizen and have spent many, many years in both, not to mention every other continent also. I’ve been to every European country in fact, both in and out of the EU. Both the US and Europe are deeply flawed, but in very different ways. It’s uncanny. The things I hate about America are great in Europe, and vice versa. I will say that American money in Europe is terrific, and we have benefitted from that a lot. But honestly, Europe was a lot better 15 years ago, and even that isn’t as fun as it used to be. European cities have declined significantly and quickly, and in many countries, they are no better than American cities. France, Sweden, Germany and even Ireland are all prime examples. The rest of Europe
is well on its way. Rural Europe is still charming in many cases, especially if you don’t need to work, but the weather is terrible for much of the year in even the warmest countries. And forget about Northern Europe, just gray, cold and dark for the majority of the year. Australia and NZ are great, but the economies are very, very weak, which is why so many young people flee. And they are far. These days, we alternate between the American West, rural Europe and NZ, and try to enjoy the best of each.

Anonymous wrote:As my kids get older I feel the existential threat of raising them in a country that is incredibly hostile to girls and women. The consequences are incredibly dire.

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Anonymous wrote:People are not leaving because they do not want to.

They do not have the money to set up citizenship anywhere else.

Or they are afraid to start over.

Why would they need citizenship or all that? Just go there on vacation and then stay.

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Anonymous wrote:I would leave if we could. Unfortunately we have no access to any other passports, and are stuck here. Stuck watching my rights, and our daughter's rights, erode away at breakneck speed. Watching opportunities for our son dry up faster than you can say AI.

I only hope it doesn't take decades to undo the damage this president has inflicted, and that the idiots in the US of A who voted for him wake the f*ck up and never go down this road again

I’m really sorry it’s so important to your daughter to be able to kill your unborn grandchildren. I can’t imagine how awful that must be, for that to be her priority. And I’m sorry your son doesn’t have the aptitude to succeed in a career than can’t be replaced by AI. But here’s the thing - you probably make fun of people like us - people who are pro-life and have husbands who come home from work with dirt and grease under their nails. So I just know I don’t feel THAT bad for you.

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Anonymous wrote:If it was easier, I would do it. In part because of Trumpism and the insane US healthcare system but also because I'd like to see more of the world and experience life elsewhere.

Europeans don't want you on their healthcare system.

Why do people like you assume that everyone discussing healthcare as a driver is contemplating Europe? Health care is much cheaper (and often better) in much of SE Asia and even right here in North America—in Mexico.

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Anonymous wrote:Where would they go? I'm not from the US and the only place I'd gladly move to is Canada.

Why not Africa?

Living is much cheaper there and your kids would be able to largely escape the plague that is internet / social media, in Africa.

Because the liberals who want to flee the US only want to live around white people.

That’s why not Africa. Because liberals are racist.

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Anonymous wrote:I would leave if we could. Unfortunately we have no access to any other passports, and are stuck here. Stuck watching my rights, and our daughter's rights, erode away at breakneck speed. Watching opportunities for our son dry up faster than you can say AI.

I only hope it doesn't take decades to undo the damage this president has inflicted, and that the idiots in the US of A who voted for him wake the f*ck up and never go down this road again

I’m really sorry it’s so important to your daughter to be able to kill your unborn grandchildren. I can’t imagine how awful that must be, for that to be her priority. And I’m sorry your son doesn’t have the aptitude to succeed in a career than can’t be replaced by AI. But here’s the thing - you probably make fun of people like us - people who are pro-life and have husbands who come home from work with dirt and grease under their nails. So I just know I don’t feel THAT bad for you.

Dude. There are many, many progressives who come home from work with dirt and grease under their nails. And are happily married. This is not a partisan state of being.

Yeah, but what about the husbands?

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Anonymous wrote:Where would they go? I'm not from the US and the only place I'd gladly move to is Canada.

What about like all of Europe? Or Australia ?