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Anonymous wrote:Reading this article, I am shocked that only 14k of the 20k OOS applicants have above a 1310 SAT when the average GPA was a 3.92 by their calculation.

My kid has a 1410 and I was told they were basically cooked at Georgia (but loved the school and wanted to try).

I mean less than 1/4 OOS applicants get in, why are you surprised that they in fact do not have the credentials to be sure they'll get in, given that we expect that pool of applicants mostly to, in fact, not get in?

Bc I was told that having credentials would not lead to admissions so I assumed a much larger share of denied applicants had equal credentials.

And by equal credentials, assume you mean:

- excellent violin / cello or piano
- science olympiad
- 4.0
- high SAT
- spelling bee.


Tons of these cookie-cutter kids out there.

The applicant pool is weak. So,

EITHER the applicant pool is weak, and scores don’t affect admissions, so the whole school is weak,

OR the applicant pool is weak, but scores do affect admissions, so the school is actually reasonably strong.

You can’t have it both ways.

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Anonymous wrote:More applications does not mean more unique applicants. At the end of the day no student can attend more than one school.

+1

Kids apply to twenty schools since it's easy to do.

It is easy when they have private counselors and parents doing all the work for them.

And paying. It’s just a waste of money.

Bitter, much? Not that many applicants have that edge. get a grip.

Not bitter, just practical. Application fees were not a financial concern for us at all. My point was that parents should set limits on the kids. Saying the huge number of apps is “coming from the kids” absolves parents of the responsibility they have in the process. DD did 4 apps in the early round including an ED (and I thought three was plenty.) She will do 4-5 more (max) if ED is not successful.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Reading this article, I am shocked that only 14k of the 20k OOS applicants have above a 1310 SAT when the average GPA was a 3.92 by their calculation.

My kid has a 1410 and I was told they were basically cooked at Georgia (but loved the school and wanted to try).

I mean less than 1/4 OOS applicants get in, why are you surprised that they in fact do not have the credentials to be sure they'll get in, given that we expect that pool of applicants mostly to, in fact, not get in?

Bc I was told that having credentials would not lead to admissions so I assumed a much larger share of denied applicants had equal credentials.

And by equal credentials, assume you mean:

- excellent violin / cello or piano
- science olympiad
- 4.0
- high SAT
- spelling bee.


Tons of these cookie-cutter kids out there.

Anonymous wrote:There is a demographic cliff that will be amplified by a declining enrollment rate of young men. Higher education is headed in the wrong direction.

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Irrelevant due to climbing international students willing to pay full freight to study here. Every year my so-so LAC quietly adds a larger percent of them in order to stay afloat while bragging “10% increase in international students!” But it’s to stay afloat

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Anonymous wrote:More applications does not mean more unique applicants. At the end of the day no student can attend more than one school.

+1

Kids apply to twenty schools since it's easy to do.

The supplemental essays are not easy unless AI or parents are doing a lot of the writing. Most have 2 essays and some have up to 8.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More applications does not mean more unique applicants. At the end of the day no student can attend more than one school.

+1

Kids apply to twenty schools since it's easy to do.

It is easy when they have private counselors and parents doing all the work for them.

And paying. It’s just a waste of money.

Bitter, much? Not that many applicants have that edge. get a grip.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:More applications does not mean more unique applicants. At the end of the day no student can attend more than one school.

+1

Kids apply to twenty schools since it's easy to do.

It is easy when they have private counselors and parents doing all the work for them.

And paying. It’s just a waste of money.

There is a demographic cliff that will be amplified by a declining enrollment rate of young men. Higher education is headed in the wrong direction.

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Anonymous wrote:Anecdotally, my DC applied to one ED and 9 EA. I thought this was too many until I started talking to other parents. I am hearing 15-16 EA from multiple parents. A few 18!! DMV private.

Two years ago, my Ann-Arbor-dwelling friend's kid wanted to go to Michigan. Lots of competition within his high school to go to College of Engineering. He was an NMF but felt there were no guarantees.

He applied to 15 schools and ended up at Michigan.

Just because “lots of kids” apply to 15+ schools does not make it smart or necessary. Anxious parents gonna be anxious.

PP. I believe the kid copied his peer group. His parents didn't set his strategy. They did not go to prestige US schools. Ann Arbor high schools are like MoCo "W Schools".

Even with test required at Ivies, Stanford, MIT, everyone still wants to pile into a T15, T20, T50 college.

Overall, these colleges will not feel the effects of the demographic cliff.

The past 25 years has seen a sea change in perceived selectivity and prestige-chasing.

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Anonymous wrote:More applications does not mean more unique applicants. At the end of the day no student can attend more than one school.

+1

Kids apply to twenty schools since it's easy to do.

It is easy when they have private counselors and parents doing all the work for them.

I didn’t read the whole thread, but here are my observations a teacher, mom, and former poor kid:

1) application fees can be waived.

2) sometimes, the college kid lives off grant and loan money —alleviating a financial burden on the rest of the family. My mom and my brother had an immediate lift in their standard of living while I attended college because I became mostly self-supporting. My mom gave me a bit of cash each month for the 8-9 months that I was away at school. This was less than it cost to feed me at home. When I’d come back home each summer, the strain returned. I didn’t come home the last two years as a result. I took campus jobs that had housing included and sometimes meals.
3) when the job market is tight, some people will go to college who might have worked instead.

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Anonymous wrote:Anecdotally, my DC applied to one ED and 9 EA. I thought this was too many until I started talking to other parents. I am hearing 15-16 EA from multiple parents. A few 18!! DMV private.

Two years ago, my Ann-Arbor-dwelling friend's kid wanted to go to Michigan. Lots of competition within his high school to go to College of Engineering. He was an NMF but felt there were no guarantees.

He applied to 15 schools and ended up at Michigan.

Just because “lots of kids” apply to 15+ schools does not make it smart or necessary. Anxious parents gonna be anxious.