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Anonymous wrote:Go get them, OP.

Don't force your sister into fighting you, or endangering the health of her fragile newborn to appease your stupidity.

Newborns have survived alone in an earthquake so they aren't that fragile.

Before we had vaccines and clean water and antibiotics, 30-50% of children did not make it to their 5th birthday. Children, particularly newborns, are vulnerable.

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Anonymous wrote:Go get them, OP.

Don't force your sister into fighting you, or endangering the health of her fragile newborn to appease your stupidity.

Newborns have survived alone in an earthquake so they aren't that fragile.

and there you have it. Pray for us.

Anonymous wrote:Every year I get both flu and covid booster and both are at no charge but DTap is not covered by my insurance so if parents insist on DTap then they should pay for cost of this vaccine or simply tell OP not to visit.

The truth is that washing hands is a better deterrent than the vaccines for flu and covid. As soon as I come home the first thing I do is wash my hands.

Sigh. No, that is not the truth. Yes, it is good that you wash your hands. Yes, washing your hands can prevent some spread of germs. But vaccines prime your immune system to fight off specific germs when you are exposed to germs that you can't get rid of by washing your hands (like breathing them in).

DTaP might be covered by your insurance after 10 years because that is the recommended booster time frame.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a mom of older teens so its been a while. My sister is having a baby and her ob/gym said anyone around the baby within the first two months must have a flu shot, covid shot and Dtap.

I've had enough covid shots and had covid a few times. I was not planning to get me or my kids another shot.

Is this standard for newborns now?

Your sister is asking you to help protect her baby. Who cares if it’s standard! If you don’t want to comply wait to see the child until you sister feels it’s safe. It sounds like you are looking for a reason to fight with your sister and have “proof” she’s wrong. It’s her kid. Let her do what she feels is best.

FWIW - I didn’t ask people to vaccinate and my kids were fine, but my youngest is 12. I did ask them to be healthy and wash their hands.

OP here - one thing I don't understand is that just because you have the recent covid shot doesn't mean you won't get Covid. If Covid is really the concern shouldn't they make everyone who enters the house test for covid? Family members will be walking off planes minutes before seeing them.

Do you...know what an incubation period is?

Op, why don't you suggest that they make everyone who enters the house do a test. And wash their hands and wear a mask. Because that would be safest for the baby.

Ok, I know why you won't. Because you're not asking this question out of concern for the baby. You want a "gotcha" excuse so you can refuse to properly vaccinate yourself and your children and also not experience any consequences for that choice.

All of these diseases you mention: flu, covid, and pertussis, can kill a newborn. It's really gross that you are on here arguing about this. Why are you even going to visit?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a mom of older teens so its been a while. My sister is having a baby and her ob/gym said anyone around the baby within the first two months must have a flu shot, covid shot and Dtap.

I've had enough covid shots and had covid a few times. I was not planning to get me or my kids another shot.

Is this standard for newborns now?

Your sister is asking you to help protect her baby. Who cares if it’s standard! If you don’t want to comply wait to see the child until you sister feels it’s safe. It sounds like you are looking for a reason to fight with your sister and have “proof” she’s wrong. It’s her kid. Let her do what she feels is best.

FWIW - I didn’t ask people to vaccinate and my kids were fine, but my youngest is 12. I did ask them to be healthy and wash their hands.

I'm the lucky woman who had premature twins, one a micro premie and my in-laws went absolutely ape sh*t over being asked to wash their hands. People like this are bad people through and through.

They are not bad just ignorant.

Every year I get both flu and covid booster and both are at no charge but DTap is not covered by my insurance so if parents insist on DTap then they should pay for cost of this vaccine or simply tell OP not to visit.

The truth is that washing hands is a better deterrent than the vaccines for flu and covid. As soon as I come home the first thing I do is wash my hands.

Anonymous wrote:I was not able to get flu and COVID shots this year because I am undergoing chemo etc. Thankfully, up to date with Shingles and DTAP.

I am not meeting a newborn baby (and her parents) in the family because they are vulnerable and I am vulnerable too.

I would be more concerned with your health because children are repositories of disease.

Anonymous wrote:Go get them, OP.

Don't force your sister into fighting you, or endangering the health of her fragile newborn to appease your stupidity.

Newborns have survived alone in an earthquake so they aren't that fragile.

I was not able to get flu and COVID shots this year because I am undergoing chemo etc. Thankfully, up to date with Shingles and DTAP.

I am not meeting a newborn baby (and her parents) in the family because they are vulnerable and I am vulnerable too.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a mom of older teens so its been a while. My sister is having a baby and her ob/gym said anyone around the baby within the first two months must have a flu shot, covid shot and Dtap.

I've had enough covid shots and had covid a few times. I was not planning to get me or my kids another shot.

Is this standard for newborns now?

Your sister is asking you to help protect her baby. Who cares if it’s standard! If you don’t want to comply wait to see the child until you sister feels it’s safe. It sounds like you are looking for a reason to fight with your sister and have “proof” she’s wrong. It’s her kid. Let her do what she feels is best.

FWIW - I didn’t ask people to vaccinate and my kids were fine, but my youngest is 12. I did ask them to be healthy and wash their hands.

OP here - one thing I don't understand is that just because you have the recent covid shot doesn't mean you won't get Covid. If Covid is really the concern shouldn't they make everyone who enters the house test for covid? Family members will be walking off planes minutes before seeing them.

Ok, OP—I’m calling you out for being cagey.

You say you’re not anti Covid vax, but you also say you’ve had “enough” Covid shots without saying when your last shot was. And you’re doing that deliberately. And now here you are saying everyone should just be tested before seeing the baby rather than be vaccinated.

So clearly, what is going on here is not that you hadn’t “planned” to get a Covid shot—you simply don’t WANT to get one. You’re AGAINST getting another shot. Right?

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Anonymous wrote:I am a mom of older teens so its been a while. My sister is having a baby and her ob/gym said anyone around the baby within the first two months must have a flu shot, covid shot and Dtap.

I've had enough covid shots and had covid a few times. I was not planning to get me or my kids another shot.

Is this standard for newborns now?

Your sister is asking you to help protect her baby. Who cares if it’s standard! If you don’t want to comply wait to see the child until you sister feels it’s safe. It sounds like you are looking for a reason to fight with your sister and have “proof” she’s wrong. It’s her kid. Let her do what she feels is best.

FWIW - I didn’t ask people to vaccinate and my kids were fine, but my youngest is 12. I did ask them to be healthy and wash their hands.

I'm the lucky woman who had premature twins, one a micro premie and my in-laws went absolutely ape sh*t over being asked to wash their hands. People like this are bad people through and through.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe they don't want a newborn getting covid a few times.

has there every been a case of a newborn getting covid?

.... yes? just like a newborn can catch RSV or the flu, from a sick parent or sibling?

I wish everyone could get the rsv shot. It’s definitely more likely the newborn would get that than any other virus.

When I had my twins this was the thing we feared. It is so common and can kill a newborn.

Anonymous wrote:Covid wasn’t standard 10 years ago because it has only been around since 2019. However, when I gave birth to my first child in 2012, we absolutely had both sets of grandparents get their flu & Tdap shots.

Thanks Captain Obvious. We all understand this and you know posters are referring to the other shots.

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I'll never understand the reasoning of people like OP, who are fine with playing with a newborn's life just because they don't want to be inconvenienced.

OP. I"m not playing with anyone's life. I asked if it was standard now

NP. It's been standard for well over a decade.

Decades. My twins are mid 20s now and most of us pushed this back then.

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I'll never understand the reasoning of people like OP, who are fine with playing with a newborn's life just because they don't want to be inconvenienced.

I had very premature twins and dealt with this stupidity. I permanently ruined relationships. That adults can be so ignorant and selfish shouldn't have surprised me...