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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

Wealthiest neighborhoods in DC have little to no traffic cameras. For instance, you will never catch a traffic camera on Chain Bridge Road.

Drivers in black neighborhoods are 17 times more likely to be ticketed in DC than drivers in white neighborhoods.

OK. How many times are drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in black neighborhoods more likely to be killed or injured by traffic violence than drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in white neighborhoods?

You don’t know, do you?

If only you cared as much about those whose lives are shattered by reckless drivers as much as those reckless drivers who get ticketed.

It's extremely rate for anyone of any color in Washington D.C. to be killed by a speeding driver.

I knew someone who was killed in DC - on a crosswalk - by a speeding driver who had amassed thousands of dollars in unpaid fines. You can her death “rate” (sic) and advocate against policies that make our streets safer. I will call her death her preventable and advocate for policies that will prevent DC residents from being frightened, injured, maimed, and killed by reckless drivers.

The driver in this scenario is an extreme outlier. Most people in this city are perfectly safe drivers. The question is why DDOT is burying the city in 3 million tickets when the problem is a tiny number of reckless drivers. It's the traffic equivalent of stationing National Guard troops on every corner in the city because some guy somewhere stabbed someone.

The DC lab study identified 100,000 high risk drivers based on camera tickets.

“Among vehicles with two or more citations, our model was able to correctly identify 65% of those involved in a crash in the following year as high risk. This was a seven percentage-point improvement over ranking vehicles by their total number of tickets and a 47 percentage-point improvement over a rule that identified any vehicle with over 10 tickets of any type or at least two tickets for red-light or severe speeding.”

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Anonymous wrote:The number almost doubled from the year before. DC now issues 8 times as many tickets each year as it did a decade ago. We issue twice as many tickets as Chicago, which is SO MUCH BIGGER! Pretty insane.

Hard to see what difference it's made to safety. Here's how many people the police say were killed each year in DC by speeding drivers:

2023: 22
2022: 9
2021: 12
2020: 15
2019: 10
2018: 9
2017: 12
2016: 8
2015: 11
2014: 12
2013: 11

Not really seeing a pattern.

It's striking how speeding deaths don't really change regardless of what the city does.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

Wealthiest neighborhoods in DC have little to no traffic cameras. For instance, you will never catch a traffic camera on Chain Bridge Road.

Drivers in black neighborhoods are 17 times more likely to be ticketed in DC than drivers in white neighborhoods.

OK. How many times are drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in black neighborhoods more likely to be killed or injured by traffic violence than drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in white neighborhoods?

You don’t know, do you?

If only you cared as much about those whose lives are shattered by reckless drivers as much as those reckless drivers who get ticketed.

It's extremely rate for anyone of any color in Washington D.C. to be killed by a speeding driver.

I knew someone who was killed in DC - on a crosswalk - by a speeding driver who had amassed thousands of dollars in unpaid fines. You can her death “rate” (sic) and advocate against policies that make our streets safer. I will call her death her preventable and advocate for policies that will prevent DC residents from being frightened, injured, maimed, and killed by reckless drivers.

The driver in this scenario is an extreme outlier. Most people in this city are perfectly safe drivers. The question is why DDOT is burying the city in 3 million tickets when the problem is a tiny number of reckless drivers. It's the traffic equivalent of stationing National Guard troops on every corner in the city because some guy somewhere stabbed someone.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

Wealthiest neighborhoods in DC have little to no traffic cameras. For instance, you will never catch a traffic camera on Chain Bridge Road.

Drivers in black neighborhoods are 17 times more likely to be ticketed in DC than drivers in white neighborhoods.

Why is their driving more erratic, do you think?

I would love to see a breakdown by race of the serious injuries and deaths on the federal BW Parkway vs the federal GW Parkway. Adjusted for volume.

Here come the racists to defend traffic cameras.

What does our Black mayor say about this?

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

Wealthiest neighborhoods in DC have little to no traffic cameras. For instance, you will never catch a traffic camera on Chain Bridge Road.

Drivers in black neighborhoods are 17 times more likely to be ticketed in DC than drivers in white neighborhoods.

OK. How many times are drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in black neighborhoods more likely to be killed or injured by traffic violence than drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in white neighborhoods?

You don’t know, do you?

If only you cared as much about those whose lives are shattered by reckless drivers as much as those reckless drivers who get ticketed.

It's extremely rate for anyone of any color in Washington D.C. to be killed by a speeding driver.

I knew someone who was killed in DC - on a crosswalk - by a speeding driver who had amassed thousands of dollars in unpaid fines. You can her death “rate” (sic) and advocate against policies that make our streets safer. I will call her death her preventable and advocate for policies that will prevent DC residents from being frightened, injured, maimed, and killed by reckless drivers.

You say her death was preventable, but you also say the driver had already been ticketed many, many, many times. So exactly would have prevented it? One more ticket on top of the thousands of dollars in tickets they already owed?

It could have been prevented by attaching some consequences - any consequences - to the speeding tickets issued to the driver. The driver was free to ignore the speeding tickets they received and so kept on speeding. And the inevitable consequence of that was a dead pedestrian. Do you have any other questions?

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

There's 17 speed cameras in Ward 3. In Ward 7, there's almost 60.

That's because it's more crowded and more people speed there.

I can tell you that there is a speed camera on the section of Eastern Avenue I live near that has made a huge difference in my family's safety when we turn out of our neighborhood onto Eastern Avenue. Additionally, it's possible to cross the street out of our residential neighborhood and walk to our closest grocery store far more safely than before the speed camera. I'm grateful for it.

A quick glance at the data will show that road fatalities are much higher EOTR. The city responds to this by placing speed cameras EOTR. Is this racist or is it racist to not doing anything about the road fatalities?

The underlying problem is that road designs EOTR (and in poorer neighborhoods in general) are generally more conducive to speeding than in richer neighborhoods like Ward 3. The best way to reduce road fatalities EOTR is to fix that underlying problem.

But then you have Trayon refusing to allow bike lanes - the cheapest "traffic calming' measure - in his ward. So around we go.

I agree with you, but the city really bungled the communications on this. They kept saying the bike lanes were for bikes. And residents are quite understandably opposed when they hear about bike lanes and they know there’s almost no bike traffic. And the bikes go wherever they want anyway. They should have emphasized speed reduction from the start, and they would need to make a clear and compelling case that it would do any more than be a PITA for the people who are responsible drivers just trying to get around. Which idk if that case can be made, I hope it can, I have never seen it.

Bike lanes are stressful for drivers. The benefits as far as traffic calming and sometimes bikes might be worth it, but it’s not an obvious sell and proponents have done a bad job explaining it.

Not a biker - how is a bike lane "stressful for drivers"? You have to slow down some so you don't kill another person?

I’m actually a very compliant and responsible driver, but thanks for being an ahole.

Bike lanes are stressful because they come and go and you have to cross them to turn. They add signals and complexity. I am totally in favor of them. They deprioritize cars and prioritize bikers, pedestrians and slower speeds. But it would be silly to suggest the car drivers don’t feel that deprioritizing, and you have to tell them why without just saying it’s for bikes that aren’t there.

Here’s a study on how this works. Having to turn across a bike lane makes drivers slow down, because of the bike lane and not because of more bikes.

The roads that we now see as speeding problems were designed and built to move cars quickly and easily in and out of the city. It’s possible to be in favor of changing that without pretending it’s not more stressful. I know it’s easier to drive over a city on a freeway. That doesn’t mean I approve of them as policy.

https://research.rutgers.edu/news/traffic-speeds-decrease-when-bike-lane-present

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

Wealthiest neighborhoods in DC have little to no traffic cameras. For instance, you will never catch a traffic camera on Chain Bridge Road.

Drivers in black neighborhoods are 17 times more likely to be ticketed in DC than drivers in white neighborhoods.

OK. How many times are drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in black neighborhoods more likely to be killed or injured by traffic violence than drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in white neighborhoods?

You don’t know, do you?

If only you cared as much about those whose lives are shattered by reckless drivers as much as those reckless drivers who get ticketed.

It's extremely rate for anyone of any color in Washington D.C. to be killed by a speeding driver.

I knew someone who was killed in DC - on a crosswalk - by a speeding driver who had amassed thousands of dollars in unpaid fines. You can her death “rate” (sic) and advocate against policies that make our streets safer. I will call her death her preventable and advocate for policies that will prevent DC residents from being frightened, injured, maimed, and killed by reckless drivers.

You say her death was preventable, but you also say the driver had already been ticketed many, many, many times. So exactly would have prevented it? One more ticket on top of the thousands of dollars in tickets they already owed?

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

Wealthiest neighborhoods in DC have little to no traffic cameras. For instance, you will never catch a traffic camera on Chain Bridge Road.

Drivers in black neighborhoods are 17 times more likely to be ticketed in DC than drivers in white neighborhoods.

OK. How many times are drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in black neighborhoods more likely to be killed or injured by traffic violence than drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in white neighborhoods?

You don’t know, do you?

If only you cared as much about those whose lives are shattered by reckless drivers as much as those reckless drivers who get ticketed.

It's extremely rate for anyone of any color in Washington D.C. to be killed by a speeding driver.

I knew someone who was killed in DC - on a crosswalk - by a speeding driver who had amassed thousands of dollars in unpaid fines. You can her death “rate” (sic) and advocate against policies that make our streets safer. I will call her death her preventable and advocate for policies that will prevent DC residents from being frightened, injured, maimed, and killed by reckless drivers.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

Wealthiest neighborhoods in DC have little to no traffic cameras. For instance, you will never catch a traffic camera on Chain Bridge Road.

Drivers in black neighborhoods are 17 times more likely to be ticketed in DC than drivers in white neighborhoods.

Why is their driving more erratic, do you think?

I would love to see a breakdown by race of the serious injuries and deaths on the federal BW Parkway vs the federal GW Parkway. Adjusted for volume.

Here come the racists to defend traffic cameras.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

Wealthiest neighborhoods in DC have little to no traffic cameras. For instance, you will never catch a traffic camera on Chain Bridge Road.

Drivers in black neighborhoods are 17 times more likely to be ticketed in DC than drivers in white neighborhoods.

Why is their driving more erratic, do you think?

I would love to see a breakdown by race of the serious injuries and deaths on the federal BW Parkway vs the federal GW Parkway. Adjusted for volume.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

Wealthiest neighborhoods in DC have little to no traffic cameras. For instance, you will never catch a traffic camera on Chain Bridge Road.

There’s one on my ward 3 street (erroneously listed as ward 2 on the dc.gov list: https://ddot.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/ddot/publication/attachments/ATE%20Active%20Locations%20as%20of%20%20November%202023.pdf There’s at least one other error on the list (Loughboro camera is ward 3, not ward 2).

I don’t mind the camera being there, but I question the settings. The camera seems to be triggered by stops with the front wheels just slightly across the white line or by very brief stops, but not by vehicles that completely blow through the stop sign. If safety is actually the goal, the latter should clearly be the priority, but perhaps the cameras aren’t up to the task of capturing a high-speed vehicle, in which case much less dangerous behavior as listed above is being punished instead. Curious if others have witnessed the same behavior o with other cameras.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

Wealthiest neighborhoods in DC have little to no traffic cameras. For instance, you will never catch a traffic camera on Chain Bridge Road.

Drivers in black neighborhoods are 17 times more likely to be ticketed in DC than drivers in white neighborhoods.

OK. How many times are drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in black neighborhoods more likely to be killed or injured by traffic violence than drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in white neighborhoods?

You don’t know, do you?

If only you cared as much about those whose lives are shattered by reckless drivers as much as those reckless drivers who get ticketed.

It's extremely rate for anyone of any color in Washington D.C. to be killed by a speeding driver.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

Wealthiest neighborhoods in DC have little to no traffic cameras. For instance, you will never catch a traffic camera on Chain Bridge Road.

Drivers in black neighborhoods are 17 times more likely to be ticketed in DC than drivers in white neighborhoods.

OK. How many times are drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in black neighborhoods more likely to be killed or injured by traffic violence than drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in white neighborhoods?

You don’t know, do you?

If only you cared as much about those whose lives are shattered by reckless drivers as much as those reckless drivers who get ticketed.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

Wealthiest neighborhoods in DC have little to no traffic cameras. For instance, you will never catch a traffic camera on Chain Bridge Road.

Drivers in black neighborhoods are 17 times more likely to be ticketed in DC than drivers in white neighborhoods.

Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

Wealthiest neighborhoods in DC have little to no traffic cameras. For instance, you will never catch a traffic camera on Chain Bridge Road.