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Anonymous wrote:How long did it take to find out what Fen-Phen was doing to people's heart valves and causing pulmonary hypertension?

5-10 years. 5 years for the word to start speading: it was early to mid 90's, so news took longer to spread than it does today. Phen fen was pulled in the late 90's after it was linked to serious and sometimes fatal heart and lung issues. My cousin had 3 heart attacks while on it. She was late 30's at the time.

Fen phen became widely available and sought in 1992. It was pulled by 1997.
We have had 20 years of GLP 1 use and almost 50 in researching it.
People have been on GLP 1s for weight loss since 2018.
I am unclear why so many people seem to WANT there to be side effects instead of embracing what is essentially a "miracle" drug. Do you also tell people to battle chemical depression and anxiety without medications? Or to treat genetic hypertension with meditation and willpower alone?

People who take hypertension medicine have hypertension. People who take medicines for depression or anxiety have depression or anxiety. GLP1s are medicines for overweight/obsese/and metabolic disorders. This board is filled with normal weight people - so none of the above - who take it.

Define normal weight? Because when those taking GLP-1s go from say a size 20 to a size 2, far surpassing those of us at a “normal weight” then yes, I am going to take it and get to a size 2, too.

How about this easy one? People who did not have a starting BMI in the overweight or obese range.

As an aside if you are determined to make it to a size 2, then that’s other issue - so much disordered thinking around here. I’d prefer to call it the ED forum than the GLP1 forum, personally.

BMI is a deeply, deeply flawed metric.

And why do you care so much? Either use a GLP1 or don’t.

BMI is deeply flawed but not for the reasons you seem to be suggesting in this exchange. You are talking about going to a size 2, so you can spare me with your “deeply, deeply flawed metric.”

As for why I care? Is that a real question? I am against making disordered eating and thinking cool again.

I would really examine why you care what other people are doing with their own bodies. Other people who are not your family or friends. Seriously. Is it because you know that if the general populous is slimmer you will now be the fat one?

I’m not the PP you responded to- but I’ll answer. I have a daughter. How many women on this board talk about being negatively influenced by Kate moss and the 90s waif look?

I live in an area full of affluent fit people (in west). I have at least ten friends taking it to drop ten vanity lbs and move from normal to underweight or ultra low body fat. I saw the recent graduates from Hs all take it for a few mos before a senior trip to Mexico. I hear about sorority houses with fridges full of women’s shots instead of food.

And I will not pretend to be okay with that.

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Anonymous wrote:How long did it take to find out what Fen-Phen was doing to people's heart valves and causing pulmonary hypertension?

5-10 years. 5 years for the word to start speading: it was early to mid 90's, so news took longer to spread than it does today. Phen fen was pulled in the late 90's after it was linked to serious and sometimes fatal heart and lung issues. My cousin had 3 heart attacks while on it. She was late 30's at the time.

She kept taking it after the first heart attack? Is she slow?

Well, the speed made her very very fast. For a time, anyway.

Anonymous wrote:I’ve been taking it for a few months and aside from one time where I got really nauseous after I ate far too much I’ve had no side effects other than losing about 12 pounds so far. Sorry. Just because you don’t want to take it or can’t afford it doesn’t mean it isn’t a lifesaver for others

12 lbs saved your life?

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Anonymous wrote:How long did it take to find out what Fen-Phen was doing to people's heart valves and causing pulmonary hypertension?

5-10 years. 5 years for the word to start speading: it was early to mid 90's, so news took longer to spread than it does today. Phen fen was pulled in the late 90's after it was linked to serious and sometimes fatal heart and lung issues. My cousin had 3 heart attacks while on it. She was late 30's at the time.

She kept taking it after the first heart attack? Is she slow?

Anonymous wrote:How does a GLP work?

Among other things, slows down your digestion so you get full faster and aren’t hungry again until later.

How does a GLP work?

Anonymous wrote:I think the real concern is the number of people taking versions of these drugs from compounding pharmacies. There’s no regulation for what’s in those. To me, that’s where we will start seeing long-term side effects in 5 years.

Anyone using a compounding pharmacy takes these risks. That's why you only use those your trusted doctor recommends.

Anonymous wrote:I think the real concern is the number of people taking versions of these drugs from compounding pharmacies. There’s no regulation for what’s in those. To me, that’s where we will start seeing long-term side effects in 5 years.

Are you a medical professional?

I think the real concern is the number of people taking versions of these drugs from compounding pharmacies. There’s no regulation for what’s in those. To me, that’s where we will start seeing long-term side effects in 5 years.

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Anonymous wrote:I do wish there was a separate forum for non-GLP1 nutrition and weight loss discussion.

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There still exist people who are not interested in GLP-1 and who are instead interested in non-medicinal methods of weight loss. I am one of them.

Why do you need another forum? Just start your own thread.

dp. Because whenever people like pp post looking for diet and exercise advice, you glpers jump in and say take the shot.

They can ask for non-medicinal diet and exercise advice.

People do, and the pro-GLP people still show up spouting their medicinal ways.

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Anonymous wrote:I do wish there was a separate forum for non-GLP1 nutrition and weight loss discussion.

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There still exist people who are not interested in GLP-1 and who are instead interested in non-medicinal methods of weight loss. I am one of them.

Why do you need another forum? Just start your own thread.

dp. Because whenever people like pp post looking for diet and exercise advice, you glpers jump in and say take the shot.

There is a separate exercise and fitness forum made by Maria with some effort just to placate posters like you.