Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is no one factoring OP’s debt into the equation.

Why didn't OP factor that in before going for a profession that would cost half a million before you ever earned a dollar?

Hence the statement that this country is facing a brain drain away from medicine.

I thought doctors went in to medicine to help people. Nice to know they’re just as greedy as everyone else.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is no one factoring OP’s debt into the equation.

Why didn't OP factor that in before going for a profession that would cost half a million before you ever earned a dollar?

Hence the statement that this country is facing a brain drain away from medicine.

It seems to me that before you head into a profession, you should know what it pays after you graduate. That's true for everyone who plans to go to college and beyond.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is no one factoring OP’s debt into the equation.

Why didn't OP factor that in before going for a profession that would cost half a million before you ever earned a dollar?

Hence the statement that this country is facing a brain drain away from medicine.

Anonymous wrote:How often do you have a patient bite off a finger?

In a given year, 5% of carpenters will lose a finger.

How many carpenters perform invasive procedures on HIV+ patients?

Many many doctors become sick from their work and many died from COVID they caught from patients you know.

I personally have been treated in the ER for pneumonia, MRSA infection, corneal ulcer, and other issues contracted from health care work.

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Anonymous wrote:If your carpenter gets the flu, he does not get paid for the 7 days he is out. When the carpenter comes to your house to give an estimate, he does not get paid. When the carpenter is required to be at jury duty, he does not get paid. Should I continue?

When I take call overnight, complete charts after work and on Saturdays, return patient calls until 7pm, develop teaching materials, lecture or travel to lecture, all outside of official “working hours,” am not paid for that either.

Neither is any other non-hourly employee. This is not specific to you.

Anonymous wrote:Gonna be a lot fewer carpenters in the near future what with this fascist regime kicking people out of the country.

I would not call most day laborers carpenters.
Day laborers are just muscle and some narrowly defined skills.
Ask any if them to design a solution to anything more complicated than framing 2x4s and you will be met with embarrassment.
A good carpenter crafts solutions, understands a multiplicity of hardware, wood performance, reactions and how to make something look good.
Oh, and they can understand sequencing issues on your job and advise you.

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Anonymous wrote:For general services. I am a physician and make $124/hour. After 4 years of college, 4 years of medical school, $250K post-graduate educational debt, 5 years of post medical school training working 90 hours a week for $50-$70k/year (latter only at the end), and 10 years of additional clinical experience. I am a W2 employee and cannot deduct expenses.

This country is headed for a very very serious physician shortage.

You need to lobby more so that when people see Nurse Practitioners or Physician Assistants they aren’t billed the same exact rate for an office as seeing a physician!

You need to start blaming private equity companies from buying up medical practices. They are big on hiring fewer doctors and more NPs and PAs

Yes, I am painfully aware of this. Unfortunately it is part of the problem. Also unfortunately, the perfect storm of anti-science, anti-medicine and anti-expertise sentiment in this country is destroying The profession and the quality of the system.

A good carpenter makes things not only well, but beautiful.
It is a nice combo of artistry and engineering.
The guy who built St. Peter's was also an incredible sculptor.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm curious OP, do you also begrudge a CEO his salary who only completed a 2 year master's program but makes 20 times more than you do? Or do you just look down your nose at blue collar workers?

Yes actually.

But you chose to use an example of someone who is making a modest living vs someone who has more than they will ever need. Weird.

Anonymous wrote:You know who else was a carpenter?

Jesus. Jesus was a carpenter.

But not a very good one since he’s better known for his side hustle.

Anonymous wrote:I'm curious OP, do you also begrudge a CEO his salary who only completed a 2 year master's program but makes 20 times more than you do? Or do you just look down your nose at blue collar workers?

Yes actually.

Anonymous wrote:He’s smarter than you.

OP. I agree.

Anonymous wrote:If your carpenter gets the flu, he does not get paid for the 7 days he is out. When the carpenter comes to your house to give an estimate, he does not get paid. When the carpenter is required to be at jury duty, he does not get paid. Should I continue?

When I take call overnight, complete charts after work and on Saturdays, return patient calls until 7pm, develop teaching materials, lecture or travel to lecture, all outside of official “working hours,” am not paid for that either.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For general services. I am a physician and make $124/hour. After 4 years of college, 4 years of medical school, $250K post-graduate educational debt, 5 years of post medical school training working 90 hours a week for $50-$70k/year (latter only at the end), and 10 years of additional clinical experience. I am a W2 employee and cannot deduct expenses.

This country is headed for a very very serious physician shortage.

He’s a skilled craftsman. Why doesn’t he deserve to be paid well? Physicians do think very highly of themselves LOL.

Being a skilled craftsman with some serious talent has got to be more satisfying, without anyone telling you exactly what to do every second.

Physicians need to reclaim their autonomy, even if it means less income. There seems to be more satisfaction all around with alternative practitioners.

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Anonymous wrote:From that, your carpenter has to pay for health insurance, retirement/401k, insurance for his company, overhead costs, various taxes, etc.

He works alone, has no employees. Out of my $124/hr I also have to pay retirement, insurance (health, disability), plus umbrella not included, commuting, taxes, etc. None of which are deductible against income.

A few thoughts:

1) How many years of experience does he have? Is he efficient? Are you paying $116 for an hour of his work, versus 2+ hours for someone less skilled yet charges a lower hourly rate?

2) He's also paying the company side of the 401k, insurance, tools, etc.

3) There are career fields that carry lower salaries but high prestige. You are in one of those fields.

4) Posters on here have complained about paying a doctor's hourly rate while receiving care from a PA. Is that something you see in your field?