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Anonymous wrote:Also fwiw most pvs officials don’t really think pads should be used for 10 and unders and prefer buttons bc so many kids miss the pads.

PVS AO here. Who will operate the touchpad systems? Who will set them up? This is not difficult but it takes training.

For the tech suit rule, there are advantages to keeping the technical rules aligned with USA Swimming for meet management rules and NFHSS for the stroke rules.

Like what? I think that the rule is aligned in what the kids are allowed to where (Relay Carnival, ASR, and IAS) and the prohibition from dual meets is reasonable.

Or event just precedent. The fastest swimmers in the world don’t wear tech suits to college dual meets, they only wear them for conference meets, NCAAs, The Olympics, etc. In club, most kids save their tech suits for winter and spring champs meets, not a regular old meet.

Anonymous wrote:Parent of older club swimmer. Many more club swimmers are wearing tech suits to meets other than champs meets. My DC used to be this way but DC wears them more often now, almost to every meet now. Champs/sectionals/futures get the new tech suit, and “older” or previously used tech suits are worn to the meets in between.

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Anonymous wrote:Also fwiw most pvs officials don’t really think pads should be used for 10 and unders and prefer buttons bc so many kids miss the pads.

PVS AO here. Who will operate the touchpad systems? Who will set them up? This is not difficult but it takes training.

For the tech suit rule, there are advantages to keeping the technical rules aligned with USA Swimming for meet management rules and NFHSS for the stroke rules.

Like what? I think that the rule is aligned in what the kids are allowed to where (Relay Carnival, ASR, and IAS) and the prohibition from dual meets is reasonable.

Or event just precedent. The fastest swimmers in the world don’t wear tech suits to college dual meets, they only wear them for conference meets, NCAAs, The Olympics, etc. In club, most kids save their tech suits for winter and spring champs meets, not a regular old meet.

While I strongly agree that tech suits (including aquablades) should be banned for dual meets, your statement that the fastest kids in the world don't wear them to dual meets is not true. Bob Bowman,Todd DeSorbo, and many other college coaches have been on the record about their weekly use of them.

https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/tech-tuesday-arizona-state-coach-bob-bowman-on-the-use-of-tech-suits-in-dual-meets/
https://swimswam.com/practice-pancakes-virginia-tech-suits-up-for-8x100-off-the-blocks/

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Anonymous wrote:Also fwiw most pvs officials don’t really think pads should be used for 10 and unders and prefer buttons bc so many kids miss the pads.

PVS AO here. Who will operate the touchpad systems? Who will set them up? This is not difficult but it takes training.

For the tech suit rule, there are advantages to keeping the technical rules aligned with USA Swimming for meet management rules and NFHSS for the stroke rules.

Like what? I think that the rule is aligned in what the kids are allowed to where (Relay Carnival, ASR, and IAS) and the prohibition from dual meets is reasonable.

Or event just precedent. The fastest swimmers in the world don’t wear tech suits to college dual meets, they only wear them for conference meets, NCAAs, The Olympics, etc. In club, most kids save their tech suits for winter and spring champs meets, not a regular old meet.

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Anonymous wrote:Also fwiw most pvs officials don’t really think pads should be used for 10 and unders and prefer buttons bc so many kids miss the pads.

PVS AO here. Who will operate the touchpad systems? Who will set them up? This is not difficult but it takes training.

For the tech suit rule, there are advantages to keeping the technical rules aligned with USA Swimming for meet management rules and NFHSS for the stroke rules.

Like what? I think that the rule is aligned in what the kids are allowed to where (Relay Carnival, ASR, and IAS) and the prohibition from dual meets is reasonable.

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Anonymous wrote:Also fwiw most pvs officials don’t really think pads should be used for 10 and unders and prefer buttons bc so many kids miss the pads.

PVS AO here. Who will operate the touchpad systems? Who will set them up? This is not difficult but it takes training.

For the tech suit rule, there are advantages to keeping the technical rules aligned with USA Swimming for meet management rules and NFHSS for the stroke rules.

Like what? I think that the rule is aligned in what the kids are allowed to where (Relay Carnival, ASR, and IAS) and the prohibition from dual meets is reasonable.

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Anonymous wrote:Also fwiw most pvs officials don’t really think pads should be used for 10 and unders and prefer buttons bc so many kids miss the pads.

PVS AO here. Who will operate the touchpad systems? Who will set them up? This is not difficult but it takes training.

For the tech suit rule, there are advantages to keeping the technical rules aligned with USA Swimming for meet management rules and NFHSS for the stroke rules.

Anonymous wrote:Also fwiw most pvs officials don’t really think pads should be used for 10 and unders and prefer buttons bc so many kids miss the pads.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d change the age rule to 6/30 or sometime around then so 1/2 way through the season

I still don’t see a need to change the current rule. It works regardless of what FCPS does with its calendar. But if they had to change it, this would be the best of the options. And more consistent with what I’ve seen in other seasonal sports.

What? You’d have kids age up in the middle of the season? Terrible idea.

No other sports (eg baseball, soccer, basketball) have I seen kids compete in a different groups/teams because they hit a birthday. Usually your age group is the age group for the entire season.

The NVSL season is so short, what maybe 6-8 weeks. Is it really that deep that a kid compete for an extra 3 weeks being older than competitors? Seriously…

Not the PP, but I think they were saying you swim the whole season based on the age you will be on June 30. I’m strongly opposed to that too, but wanted to clarify what I think they meant. But I don’t love making an 8 year old swim up for those first several weeks. How is that more fair than a 9 year old swimming down?

Not to rehash this, but I think people really overestimate the advantages of a summer birthday. The fastest kids in the NVSL are usually just fast swimmers, period, not the swimmers that have a “good summer swim birthday”. My winter birthday kid is far more successful in summer swim than my June birthday kid, even when the June one is swimming with younger kids. And that winter kid is beating the kids that are swimming down for their true age. I have a broad NVSL network and this holds pretty true.

I’m pretty sure the 15 year old boy physically has an advantage over my 13 year old and my 13 year old is fast

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Anonymous wrote:I’d change the age rule to 6/30 or sometime around then so 1/2 way through the season

I still don’t see a need to change the current rule. It works regardless of what FCPS does with its calendar. But if they had to change it, this would be the best of the options. And more consistent with what I’ve seen in other seasonal sports.

What? You’d have kids age up in the middle of the season? Terrible idea.

No other sports (eg baseball, soccer, basketball) have I seen kids compete in a different groups/teams because they hit a birthday. Usually your age group is the age group for the entire season.

The NVSL season is so short, what maybe 6-8 weeks. Is it really that deep that a kid compete for an extra 3 weeks being older than competitors? Seriously…

Not the PP, but I think they were saying you swim the whole season based on the age you will be on June 30. I’m strongly opposed to that too, but wanted to clarify what I think they meant. But I don’t love making an 8 year old swim up for those first several weeks. How is that more fair than a 9 year old swimming down?

Not to rehash this, but I think people really overestimate the advantages of a summer birthday. The fastest kids in the NVSL are usually just fast swimmers, period, not the swimmers that have a “good summer swim birthday”. My winter birthday kid is far more successful in summer swim than my June birthday kid, even when the June one is swimming with younger kids. And that winter kid is beating the kids that are swimming down for their true age. I have a broad NVSL network and this holds pretty true.

Anonymous wrote:Love the changing the rule about shirts. It is a ridiculous rule, and having one only slows down a swimmer

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Anonymous wrote:I’d change the age rule to 6/30 or sometime around then so 1/2 way through the season

I still don’t see a need to change the current rule. It works regardless of what FCPS does with its calendar. But if they had to change it, this would be the best of the options. And more consistent with what I’ve seen in other seasonal sports.

What? You’d have kids age up in the middle of the season? Terrible idea.

No other sports (eg baseball, soccer, basketball) have I seen kids compete in a different groups/teams because they hit a birthday. Usually your age group is the age group for the entire season.

The NVSL season is so short, what maybe 6-8 weeks. Is it really that deep that a kid compete for an extra 3 weeks being older than competitors? Seriously…

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Anonymous wrote:I’d change the age rule to 6/30 or sometime around then so 1/2 way through the season

I still don’t see a need to change the current rule. It works regardless of what FCPS does with its calendar. But if they had to change it, this would be the best of the options. And more consistent with what I’ve seen in other seasonal sports.